Daughter forced to believe in God

MrPudding

hinault wrote: »

It shows that even where there is the widespread option of non-Catholic ethos education, more and more parents are choosing to send their children to Catholic-ethos schools.

The desire in the UK, which I took a conscious decision to ignore, to send children to catholic ethos school has nothing to do with the fact that they are catholic ethos schools and everything to do with the mistaken belief that the children in those schools perform better in exams.

There are a number of articles knocking around which address this idea that faith schools outperform non-faith schools. For example, here is one from the NSS:

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2014/06/a-religious-ethos-is-not-why-faith-schools-succeed--its-selection-that-does-it

Just in case your browser, or you beliefs, won't allow you to visit a website that has 'secular' in the title, i will give a very brief summary. Many believe that the reasons faith schools have better exam results, and hence why people are clambering to get their kids into them, is due to the selective nature of their admissions policies. Whilst they insist they discriminate on religious grounds, there is a very interesting side effect of this, this religious discrimination, quite handily for them, tends to mean the school have far fewer children from lower income families.

To give you some examples, if one looks at a school's catchment area one can work out the percentage of school children in that area that are entitled to free school meals (this year is slightly different because all children under 7 get free school meals irrespective of household income), one can then look at the percentage of pupils in a school and see how many pupils they have on the books that receive free school meals. This makes interesting reading.

Comprehensive school that have no religious character will, on average, have 11% more pupils with free lunch entitlement that would be expected given the numbers in the catchment area. Catholic schools, on the other hand with have 24% less than expected. You can read about those figures here:

http://fairadmissions.org.uk/groundbreaking-new-research-maps-the-segregating-impact-of-faith-school-admissions/

The guardian has also done a few stories on this which are worth digging out, if you are interested.

So, in the UK there may be demand for faith schools, but this has little to do with them being faith schools. Demand for schools in the the UK is driven by exam results. Many parent are under the mistaken impression that faith school are 'better' than non-faith schools. I suppose, then, that you are correct in a sense, demand for catholic schools is strong in the UK, but I would suggest that you are wrong to suggest this is an indication that parents want to send their kids to faith schools. Parents want to send their kids to schools that have good exam results. As long as faith schools are allowed to discriminate on ground of religion, and thereby select children that are statistically more likely to do well, irrespective of where they are taught, then they will appear to be better and parents will want to send their children there.

Not really a particularly strong argument for your side, is it?

MrP

Delirium

GreeBo wrote: »

This entire thread suggests it.
If you send your child to a Catholic School, for whatever reason, you cannot blame the school for being Catholic and teaching about Catholicism.

Most people that have posted are objecting to a 7 year old child being threatened with expulsion for saying they don't believe in God. And for the prinicipal then saying she must believe in God.

That is unprofessional behaviour by the staff. The teacher should have just told the child to do whatever work had been assigned and let it go at that.

vibe666

GreeBo wrote: »

The point is that if you send your child to a *Catholic* school and dont tell them that your child wants no part of what school is based on and believes in, you should bloody tell them rather than go crazy when they apply the same teachings to your child that the school is based on.
Its hardly rocket science tbh.

The teacher told the child not to say it again, where was the "HAD to believe in God" aspect?

Do you think you could send your child to an Islamic school and it would be cool and the gang for your child to state that Muhammed doesnt exist?

it's up to the child what she wants to believe in (or not), maybe you didn't read the whole thread, or more likely just read into it what you wanted to rather than what actually happened, but the simple fact is, that ANY child in Ireland has a constitutional right to NOT have any religion forced on them in any school, "catholic ethos" or not and having a teacher threatening that they will be sent back to their old school if they say they don't believe in god is reprehensible and constitutionally unjust, not to mention a clear breach of her human rights under EU law.

THAT isn't rocket science. :rolleyes:

GreeBo

vibe666 wrote: »

it's up to the child what she wants to believe in (or not), maybe you didn't read the whole thread, or more likely just read into it what you wanted to rather than what actually happened, but the simple fact is, that ANY child in Ireland has a constitutional right to NOT have any religion forced on them in any school, "catholic ethos" or not and having a teacher threatening that they will be sent back to their old school if they say they don't believe in god is reprehensible and constitutionally unjust, not to mention a clear breach of her human rights under EU law.

THAT isn't rocket science. :rolleyes:

So you think that its fine for the parent not to inform the school of their childs special (in this context) needs and for the child to explain this to the teacher themselves?

Why would you not inform the school in the very beginning?
In what possible circumstances would not informing them work out better than informing them in advance?

The child is seven....7...why would you put them in the position of having to deal with and inform the teacher of the situation?
This left the child, the teacher and the school in a difficult position that could easily have been avoided or at least lessened by having an honest discussion with the school in advance.

Cabaal

GreeBo, do you think the teachers and principals handling of the situation is acceptable?

Serving the child with a threat of being sent back to their old school is an acceptable manner to deal with a 7 year old now is it?

GreeBo

Cabaal wrote: »

GreeBo, do you think the teachers and principals handling of the situation is acceptable?

Serving the child with a threat of being sent back to their old school is an acceptable manner to deal with a 7 year old now is it?

I think the principal handled it badly and the parent should have been called first.
I can see how the teacher panicked though, a room full of kids all going to start wondering "why doesnt she believe in God?"
Without being there and knowing exactly what was said and how it was said, it may not be as bad as its made to sound.

I do think its the parents fault for putting the child and the teacher in that position.

RustyNut

GreeBo wrote: »

This entire thread suggests it.
If you send your child to a Catholic School, for whatever reason, you cannot blame the school for being Catholic and teaching about Catholicism.

What local options are provided by the state for the non catholic members of the community?

GreeBo

RustyNut wrote: »

What local options are provided by the state for the non catholic members of the community?

How is that relevant?
If your child has special needs that are not obvious, tell the bloody school and dont put everyone, especially your child, into an awkward position.


Imagine your child doesnt believe in Santa, do you think the school would/should be fine with your child telling everyone that Santa doesnt exist?

StudentDad

This child is entitled to a full education irrespective of her beliefs. To essentially traumatise a child of seven in the middle of her education is barbaric.

The sooner religious indoctrination is taken out of state funded schools the better.

SD

lazygal

GreeBo wrote: »

How is that relevant?
If your child has special needs that are not obvious, tell the bloody school and dont put everyone, especially your child, into an awkward position.


Imagine your child doesnt believe in Santa, do you think the school would/should be fine with your child telling everyone that Santa doesnt exist?

But Santa doesn't exist. We know Santa doesn't exist. How parents deal with that is not a matter for the school, its a matter for the parents, as my parents were told when a non catholic child told us there was no Santa. We plan on doing Santa, in a pretty low key way, and if our children were told Santa doesn't exist we'd deal with that ourselves. How is telling children God doesn't exist different from telling them Santa doesn't exist? Or there's no Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy? And if you tell the school and the school says 'while the child is in school he or she is not allowed to say there is no God' what should a parent do then?

Debornie

Well, let me start by saying that I do not agree with the approach of the school. I am not a catholic and believe that you can choose whatever school you want to send your child too. But can I also say if you don't want to eat Chicken, don't go to KFC. If you put your child into a school that has a Catholic Ethos then expect that they are going to teach their religion and there is not a lot you can do about it. I have in the past had my own son in this situation and the school were very good at letting him bring his own books in to entertain him during religion and even let him stay with another class when they went to the church or I would collect him early on those days. But again, my opinion is that you can hardly complain that they are teaching your kid catholic stuff when you put her in a catholic school.

Cabaal

GreeBo wrote: »

How is that relevant?
If your child has special needs that are not obvious, tell the bloody school and dont put everyone, especially your child, into an awkward position.

"Special needs"?

You seriously might want to choose your words much more wisely, this is special needs as far as the Dept Of Education is concerned - http://www.education.ie/en/The-Education-System/Special-Education/

A none belief in a supernatural invisible being isn't a "special need" or any form of disability, its a basic human right to believe in what you want to...or not as the case may be.

You might want to show some respect to the op and his daughter,

Imagine your child doesnt believe in Santa, do you think the school would/should be fine with your child telling everyone that Santa doesnt exist?

I went to school with somebody who didn't believe in Santa from a very young age....their parents were very very poor so they took the decision to tell them,

They never went around telling other students in a vindictive way....likely the same as the OP's 7 year old didn't do so either.

Did the school threaten them...no of course not, they'd be idiots if they had.
:rolleyes:

vibe666

GreeBo wrote: »

So you think that its fine for the parent not to inform the school of their childs special (in this context) needs and for the child to explain this to the teacher themselves?

no, i think it is entirely irrelevant when a teacher and principle in charge of the health and well-being of a child decide that the best course of action when a child questions belief in god is to immediately threaten them for not believing and in doing so breach their Irish constitutional and EU human rights.

GreeBo wrote: »

I can see how the teacher panicked though, a room full of kids all going to start wondering "why doesnt she believe in God?"

i think if a primary school teacher in a catholic school can't handle a 7 year old kid questioning the existence of their imaginary friend without losing the plot and threatening them with expulsion, then *maybe* they're in the wrong job.

GreeBo wrote: »

If your child has special needs that are not obvious, tell the bloody school and dont put everyone, especially your child, into an awkward position.

his child doesn't have any special needs, what she has are the same constitutional and human rights under Irish and EU law that every other child in the country has a right to.

if YOUR child didn't believe in santa and was threatened with expulsion by their school for that lack of belief in a clear breach of their rights, would you be happy about it and think it was a reasonable response against a 7 year old child?

lazygal

Debornie wrote: »

Well, let me start by saying that I do not agree with the approach of the school. I am not a catholic and believe that you can choose whatever school you want to send your child too. But can I also say if you don't want to eat Chicken, don't go to KFC. If you put your child into a school that has a Catholic Ethos then expect that they are going to teach their religion and there is not a lot you can do about it. I have in the past had my own son in this situation and the school were very good at letting him bring his own books in to entertain him during religion and even let him stay with another class when they went to the church or I would collect him early on those days. But again, my opinion is that you can hardly complain that they are teaching your kid catholic stuff when you put her in a catholic school.

But the state requires parents to educate their children, and funds the state school system. If the only school locally is religious, why should parents not of that faith be required to be religious and make their children conform just because there are no alternatives?

StopYa

The Rules are the rules if you decided to send your child to a catholic school what do you expect and expecting your child to make a decision on their religious beliefs at age 7 are ya mental, they are going to follow the same beliefs as their mummy and daddy, theyre are like sponges at that age and are just repeating what they hear from you. Pulling the kid out of the class is just going to draw more attention to her , let her be a child she shouldnt have to suffer a bad childhood because you have a problem with catholic faith yet decide to send her to a catholic school , defies logic.

Gerry T

GreeBo wrote: »

I do think its the parents fault for putting the child and the teacher in that position.

Do you not think the teacher should have more sense ? Teachers should know that out of a group of children not all are catholic and for a teacher to assume this is hard to believe. As the thread has pointed out people have a right to non-religious education. If a school wants to set a rule that all students are to attend RE then the school shouldn't accept Govt. funding.
Moving forward Catholic schools State Funded Should have to get a parents permission for a child to be given RE classes. And the selection criteria should not include any questions regarding the parents/childs religious beliefs

Cabaal

Debornie wrote: »

If you put your child into a school that has a Catholic Ethos then expect that they are going to teach their religion and there is not a lot you can do about it. .

I think you'll find there is alot you can do about it,

Just because you enroll and child into a catholic ethos school does not mean that the school can force the religion on your child.

lazygal

StopYa wrote: »

The Rules are the rules if you decided to send your child to a catholic school what do you expect and expecting your child to make a decision on their religious beliefs at age 7 are ya mental, they are going to follow the same beliefs as their mummy and daddy, theyre are like sponges at that age and are just repeating what they hear from you. Pulling the kid out of the class is just going to draw more attention to her , let her be a child she shouldnt have to suffer a bad childhood because you have a problem with catholic faith yet decide to send her to a catholic school , defies logic.

And if the only available school is catholic, what should a parent do? Go along with beliefs they don't follow? How is not raising a child in the catholic faith making a child suffer a bad childhood? Are those of other faiths making their children suffer too, when they enroll them in the only available local school?

vibe666

StopYa wrote: »

The Rules are the rules

this is exactly right. the rules are the rules and the Irish constitution and EU law ARE the rules and having a catholic "ethos" doesn't excuse any school from abiding by those rules.

bajer101

OP here again. Rather than try to respond individually to a lot of posts where people don't seem to have read the thread, I'll just do a quick recap and clarify a few points.

I did not have a conversation with the school about not wanting my daughter to learn Religion, because the situation only arose after she announced that she didn't believe in God. Prior to this, I actually wasn't too bothered about her doing Religion classes or making her Communion. While I am an atheist I have never had in-depth discussions with her about God or the big bang expansion, as these concepts are too difficult for a child to understand. I have always told her that she can make up her own mind about this. I have told her that I don't believe in God, but that plenty of other people do, including her mother and other members of our family. Regarding having her baptised - that is irrelevant, but for the record, it was her mother who wanted that done, but I now have sole custody. I may have ended up getting her baptised anyway, as it seems to be a prerequisite to gain admittance to over 90% of schools in the country.

The problem arose when she announced in class that she did not believe in God, and the big problem for both me and her was with how the school seemed to handle this. I started this thread looking for advice on how to proceed. Thanks to the advice I have received, I now know that I am perfectly entitled to have her opt of Religion and this is what I am pursuing. I have written to the Principal and explained the situation and also explained the situation to my daughter.

Cabaal

lazygal wrote: »

And if the only available school is catholic, what should a parent do? Go along with beliefs they don't follow? How is not raising a child in the catholic faith making a child suffer a bad childhood? Are those of other faiths making their children suffer too, when they enroll them in the only available local school?

There was one protestant who went to the catholic ethos primary and secondary schools i went to, it was child abuse I tell you...believing in the wrong faith and all that

The reality is nobody in the classes cared, we didn't seem them as different or odd or anything. He was well liked and all that.
He still didn't attend any of the religion classes though or the masses, we used to think he was awful lucky to avoid the masses.

StopYa

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

Delirium

StopYa wrote: »

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

I really doubt that Catholic schools have rules that allowing for bullying of non-Catholic children.

lazygal

StopYa wrote: »

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

So your solution to bullying is for the child being bullied to conform? What about later on, when everyone else is doing something, the parent decides that's not safe, but the child wants to do it anyway, should the parent let everyone else make their decisions? If a child is bullied because they wear glasses, do you let them work away without the glasses because then the bullies will stop? I don't intend for my children to worry about whether there's a god, but if they ask I'll answer honestly that I don't think there is but some people do and everyone is different, and being different is absolutely fine.

bajer101

StopYa wrote: »

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

If someone bullies my child I don't get my child to acquiesce to the bully, I get the bully to stop the bullying. I am letting my child be a child and she will not be indoctrinated with Religion that she has no interest in. I am not changing any rules to suit myself, I am availing of the rules of the Irish Constitution and EU law to opt her out of Religion.

shruikan2553

Has this thread broken the record of amount of people who read the OP and take out a response from the book of poor responses given out by the church? It seems like every page there is someone pointing out it is a catholic school as if the OP had just made a mistake without knowing and meant to send their child to one of many schools in the area that cater for everyone.

Cabaal

StopYa wrote: »

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

Oh so you think catholic ethos means catholic kids can bully non-catholics and the school is ok with it?
:rolleyes:

If what you suggested did happen then the school is required by the Dept Of Education to deal with the bullys.

If a child gets bullied because they have glasses which are required for them to see etc, you don't tell then kid to go to school without glasses...you deal with the bullys.

The same applys here, if somebody doesn't believe in god you can't force them to believe in a god just to "fit in" to even suggest such a thing is seriously ignorant.

Your attitude to bullying is seriously worrying and I hope that you don't interact with children on a day to day basis as they'll get no support from you if they are being bullied...they'll just be told to conform!

Nobody is changing any rules, the op has the right under the constitution of this country. Unless you think the constitution is meaningless?

vibe666

StopYa wrote: »

Hi Lazygal

if you read original post contributor wrote"The other kids also seemed to gang up on her a bit over this" , so now the kid is traumatized because he or she is going into school repeating what they hear at home and getting picked on, let the kid be a child she should only be worried about fitting into the school making friends not worried about is there or isnt there a god she has all her life for that. Ya cant change the rules to suit yourself would you go driving down the road on the wrong side of the road.

there you go again with that whole not reading the thread, or cherry picking what you want to see to suit yourself whether its there or not.

the "rules" that you keep talking about are the Irish Constitution and Irish and EU Law, all of which support the OP in this case, NOT any kind of school "ethos".

The child (and every other child in the Republic, has a constitutional right to choose their own religious beliefs (or to choose none) and no school, regardless of their ethos has any right to try and force any beliefs onto them. none. not even a little bit, under any circumstances whatsoever.

Peregrinus

bajer101 wrote: »

If someone bullies my child I don't get my child to acquiesce to the bully, I get the bully to stop the bullying. I am letting my child be a child and she will not be indoctrinated with Religion that she has no interest in. I am not changing any rules to suit myself, I am availing of the rules of the Irish Constitution and EU law to opt her out of Religion.

. . . and, I don't doubt, notifying the school of any bullying that she experiences that seems to be related to her religious views, and expecting (and if necessary demanding) that they address it.

bajer101

Reading the replies from some people here, I am now a lot less surprised about the treatment my daughter received. I had no idea that such attitudes still existed among the under 70s.

StopYa

At 7 years of age ? Their brains are that developped, they ve read enough books studied different religions, read about darwin, read about evoloution, nothing is proven, no one fully knows if there is or isnt a god. and you are telling me that a 7 year old is able to make a decision on whether there is or isnt a god are you serious, what has got wearing glasses got to do with anything, The kid shouldnt be worried about religion, theyre not going to become a priest because they sit through a religion class like a contributor said there was a prodestant in his class just read a book during the religion class, didnt make a song and dance about it.

IITYWYBMAD

GreeBo wrote: »

So you think that its fine for the parent not to inform the school of their childs special (in this context) needs and for the child to explain this to the teacher themselves?
.

Wow...just wow...

FullblownRose

So how are schools like that, preparing their catholic students for the wider world again..a world with many atheists?

bajer101

StopYa wrote: »

At 7 years of age ? Their brains are that developped, they ve read enough books studied different religions, read about darwin, read about evoloution, nothing is proven, no one fully knows if there is or isnt a god. and you are telling me that a 7 year old is able to make a decision on whether there is or isnt a god are you serious, what has got wearing glasses got to do with anything, The kid shouldnt be worried about religion, theyre not going to become a priest because they sit through a religion class like a contributor said there was a prodestant in his class just read a book during the religion class, didnt make a song and dance about it.

Of course she is not able to decide yet if there is or isn't a God. She will make her own mind up when she is older. In the meantime, she won't be indoctrinated. I originally wasn't too bothered that she was doing Religion, but now I am delighted that she won't have her mind poisoned.

You say that a seven year old isn't able to decide if there is or isn't a God, so why are you advocating that it is ok for them to be taught that there is? She didn't make a song and dance about anything - she simply said that she didn't believe in God when her teacher told her that there was. She refused to go along with that because, as she explained to me, that would be a lie and that is wrong. Now she will read a book or do something else during Religion class which is what you are suggesting. And I also suspect that since she stood up for herself, that the kids who were initially teasing her will now see the whole situation in a different light and could very well rally to her. I'm proud as punch of her, to be honest.

Cabaal

StopYa wrote: »

At 7 years of age ? Their brains are that developped, they ve read enough books studied different religions, read about darwin, read about evoloution, nothing is proven, no one fully knows if there is or isnt a god. and you are telling me that a 7 year old is able to make a decision on whether there is or isnt a god are you serious,

And yet your happy for say 86% of parents in this country to tell their children that there is a god and its a christian god at that. Why is that?

Is it because its the right type of belief?

Just to get some information here, are you a christian/catholic?

what has got wearing glasses got to do with anything,

Oh you want to try and direct away from the fact that you showed yourself up...ok fair enough.

What has bullying got to do with any of this?,
You're the one that brought that topic up, why didn't you bring it up?

The kid shouldnt be worried about religion,

Something the two of us agree with...at last.

I fully agree, and thats why religion shouldn't be in tax payer funded schools.
It shouldn't be a subject that children have to worry about or waste time attending.

Religion is a very personal thing, its something parents should be very very involved in on every level. This means mass every Sunday and Holly day and full involvement in communion prep etc.

The reality is the opposite, most parents dislike having to go to mass and they prefer to outsource the communion prep to the state funded schools......people that do this don't really have a faith in my view.

FullblownRose

bajer101 wrote: »

Of course she is not able to decide yet if there is or isn't a God. She will make her own mind up when she is older. In the meantime, she won't be indoctrinated. I originally wasn't too bothered that she was doing Religion, but now I am delighted that she won't have her mind poisoned.

You say that a seven year old isn't able to decide if there is or isn't a God, so why are you advocating that it is ok for them to be taught that there is? She didn't make a song and dance about anything - she simply said that she didn't believe in God when her teacher told her that there was. She refused to go along with that because, as she explained to me, that would be a lie and that is wrong. Now she will read a book or do something else during Religion class which is what you are suggesting. And I also suspect that since she stood up for herself, that the kids who were initially teasing her will now see the whole situation in a different light and could very well rally to her. I'm proud as punch of her, to be honest.

The teacher could've turned it into a learning oportunity and briefly explained to her class that some people are atheists and that that is abbsolutely fine. Then moved on with the lesson.

EunanMac

I think you should always inform teachers of your wishes beforehand.

Has the OP gone to speak to anyone in the school yet, the OP was last week

Cabaal

FullblownRose wrote: »

So how are schools like that, preparing their catholic students for the wider world again..a world with many atheists?

they're not,
Just like all girl schools and all boys schools are not preparing the students for a mixed sex college/workplace world.

Not exactly healthy,

bajer101

EunanMac wrote: »

I think you should always inform teachers of your wishes beforehand

I think you should always a thread beforehand.

Cabaal

StopYa wrote: »

At 7 years of age ? Their brains are that developped,

You don't give children much credit do you?
In this case the OP's child is developed enough to know right from wrong and what they believe in,

The OP's child knows they don't believe in a magical invisible being and they know that claiming they do believe in the magical invisible being is a lie.

Lets look at a 7 year olds development shall we?

Period of Concrete Operations (7-12 years)

Characteristic Behavior:

Evidence for organized, logical thought. There is the ability to perform multiple classification tasks, order objects in a logical sequence, and comprehend the principle of conservation. thinking becomes less transductive and less egocentric. The child is capable of concrete problem-solving.

Some reversibility now possible (quantities moved can be restored such as in arithmetic:
3+4 = 7 and 7-4 = 3, etc.)

Class logic-finding bases to sort unlike objects into logical groups where previously it was on superficial perceived attribute such as color. Categorical labels such as “number” or animal” now available.

Seems the OP's child is well capable of logical thought, that's evident.

As the child gets older they may decide to believe in any number of the gods that exist and thats their choice, but as it stands right now they are entitled to be respect in their non belief.

EunanMac

bajer101 wrote: »

I think you should always a thread beforehand.

Did you inform the teachers of your wishes beforehand ?

Have you spoken to anyone in the school yet since you made the OP ?

Cabaal

EunanMac wrote: »

Did you inform the teachers of your wishes beforehand ?

Have you spoken to anyone in the school yet since you made the OP ?

You should really read the thread, the answers to both of these are in the thread.

bajer101

EunanMac wrote: »

Did you inform the teachers of your wishes beforehand ?

Have you spoken to anyone in the school yet since you made the OP ?

I have explained a few times now that I did not not have any particular wishes regarding Religion beforehand. The problem came to light when my daughter announced that she did not believe in God. I have also stated a couple of times that I have since contacted the school and informed them of my decision to have my daughter opt out of Religion.

EunanMac

bajer101 wrote: »

I have explained a few times now that I did not not have any particular wishes regarding Religion beforehand. The problem came to light when my daughter announced that she did not believe in God. I have also stated a couple of times that I have since contacted the school and informed them of my decision to have my daughter opt out of Religion.

So you didn't care if they taught her religion or not, or didn't inform the school of same, or that she was not really a Catholic, and when they did teach her religion, as a Catholic school is supposed to for Catholics, you then kick up. Have you talked to them about the bullying and what are they doing about it ?

StopYa

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shruikan2553

EunanMac wrote: »

So you didn't care if they taught her religion or not, or didn't inform the school of same, or that she was not really a Catholic, and when they did teach her religion, as a Catholic school is supposed to for Catholics, you then kick up. Have you talked to them about the bullying and what are they doing about it ?

Seeing as for most people a Catholic school is all they can get, the school should be able to tell that it will get a non Catholic in from time to time

Delirium

EunanMac wrote: »

So you didn't care if they taught her religion or not, or didn't inform the school of same, or that she was not really a Catholic, and when they did teach her religion, as a Catholic school is supposed to for Catholics, you then kick up. Have you talked to them about the bullying and what are they doing about it ?

The poster didn't care if the child was taught religion, so why would they have to inform the school of anything? The problem is the unprofessional behaviour of the staff when the child voiced her lack of belief in God.

Cabaal

StopYa wrote: »

ha ha good man cabal childdevelopmentinfo.com I can google too,

So you don't dispute the fact that the child is actually developed enough for logical thought? Grand so.

I take it you have nothing constructive to add then?

EunanMac

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Seeing as for most people a Catholic school is all they can get, the school should be able to tell that it will get a non Catholic in from time to time

You don't think a parent should inform the school their child is not a Catholic, rather than wait until she is taught Catholicism to complain ?

Cabaal

EunanMac wrote: »

You don't think a parent should inform the school their child is not a Catholic, and wait until she is taught Catholicism to complain ?

You think its ok for a school to threaten a 7 year old with sending them back to their old school?
Schools handling of this has been appalling