New British Road Safety Vid (Distressing Scenes)

Rabbo

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I don't think the point of this video is to apportion blame or to discuss who was most at fault.

It kinda is. Its not good enough to just tell people to be careful or drive slower. It is no harm for people to be judgemental of others driving and to learn from others mistakes.

In my mind the biker was primarily at fault, he was travelling way too fast to allow for the unexpected. A small error by another roaduser then resulted in a fatal crash.

Anyone on the road will see drivers and road users doing incredibly stupid things on a daily basis. People need to adjust their driving with the expectation that the roadusers around you will inevitably do something stupid. Always expect the unexpected.

smurgen

I'd love to own a bike and would be fairly confident of my ability to drive it safetly but the drivers of cars out there today are just so bad,unaware,dosey that a crash would be almost guaranteed sooner or later.

ProfessorPlum

mike_ie wrote: »

Not trying to assign blame to either motorcyclist or driver, but a quick calculation says that at 97mph, the bike was approaching the junction at 43 metres per second - that's the length of a hurling field every three seconds. With the best will in the world, it's hard to anticipate/react to a vehicle hurtling towards you at that speed, and certainly no room for evasive action from either party.

Moving video for sure though, from both a motorcyclists and drivers point of view.

Just to add a bit of relativity here. The biker was going very fast, but say he had been at the speed limit, which I'm guessing is 60mph. His closing speed would be 27m/s. That's 16m/s slower than his actual speed. So in the 2 seconds it would have taken the car driver to look, he would have been only about 30m further away. That's not a lot. Bikers and drivers have to realise that bikes are difficult to see on the road, especially when there is other traffic. It's easy to focus on the big vehicle and complete miss the much smaller bike. Both were at fault here. The biker lost his life, the driver will have to live with the consequences of his mistake for the rest of his. No winners here. Slow down, watch out, and expect the unexpected.

The Royal Scam

wazky wrote: »

There was a crash near me a few year's ago involving a bike and van, the bike hit the van at speed and the biker was catapulted over a hedge and into the next field, apparently the people who first came upon the scene were getting physically sick at the sight of the bikers remains.

Was this in Kildare?

Mikros

I think a few people are missing the point of the video - it's not a blame game where you can simply say oh he was speeding and therefore was responsible for his own death. The video is highlighting how no one goes onto the road planning on being in an accident and just how quick and easy things can go wrong. I'm sure anyone who has driven long enough has had similar slips in concentration, but usually with no harm done.

The complacency that can creep in when driving can and does result in people dying - I think the family of the biker in this video are very brave for putting that out there in such a powerful way.

Wibbs

con___manx1 wrote: »

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

You are having a laugh, you really bloody are. A bike doing a 100 mph on a busy enough road weaving in and out of traffic was a tragedy waiting to happen. Stupid bloody risky behaviour and the biker paid the price for it. If that was his usual MO on the road then if it wasn't that day it would have been another. Unless it was a rare day when he went that fast how he got through two decades unscathed is beyond me. I could understand a 19 year old lad being daft on the road, but a 38 year old? WTF?

Did the car driver make a mistake? Yep. Equally you have to ask the question why the hell didn't the biker see the car about to make the turn and not think; "hang on, better ease the fook off he might turn if he hasn't spotted me"? I think like that driving a car. I drive with lights on and never underestimate drops in concentration in other road users and on a road like that no way in hell would I be doing 100 MPH.

The reality is a biker is incredibly vulnerable on the roads. That's the risk you take riding one and you should ride taking that risk into account. Doing a ton on a minor road with junctions and crossing traffic is beyond reckless and stupid.

Put it another way. Make the biker a driver in a quick car. Play the video again. How much sympathy would he get for doing the ton in the same circumstances in a car? Sweet FA and rightly.

I admire the family for backing this campaign but as well as pushing the "think twice, think bike" mantra, they should also be pushing the "Bikers, cop the fook on".

Reedsie

CaptainInsano wrote: »

The male driver of the Renault Clio David hit appeared in court following the accident.

The motorist admitted causing death by careless driving and got a 12 months community sentence in April and an 18 month driving ban.

He was also ordered to pay £200 costs with a £60 surcharge and do 130 hours unpaid work.

Ch Insp Spinks added: "We know from the footage that David was travelling up to 100mph. Regardless of the speed of the bike, the car manoeuvre should not have been attempted."

Can't help but feel that he was a bit unfortunate. If the bike was travelling within the recommended speed limit he would have had a much better chance of avoiding the car. It's still careless driving on the car drivers behalf, it's still the exact same dangerous manoeuvre. But it's somewhat because of the motorbikes speed that he is looking at 12 months community sentence and an 18 month driving ban.

Rotunda Shill

The car driver obviously did not look twice.

Reedsie

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Expect the unexpected folks, it could be you or me tomorrow.

darced wrote: »

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The Backwards Man wrote: »

You shouldn't be on the road if you don't.

con___manx1 wrote: »

The car driver was not paying attention to the road and killed somebody. That's dangerous driving pure and simple. I hope the driver of that car gets at least a 5 or 10 year driving ban for being such a careless idiot. The road was straight and you could have seen that bike a mile away. I don't no about you but I don't have too many lapse of concentration while Turing off secondary roads . It's a pity it was a motor bike and not a lorry that hit that idiot driver.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

but if you're expecting every other road user to be where they are supposed to be at the speed they are supposed to be all the time then you're going to get in bother eventually.

Funny how these posts direct towards punishing the car driver for not expecting the unexpected. It's quite obvious that the biker was very clearly expecting sweet f*ck all.

One was a car driver who through a lack of concentration made a huge, no doubt regrettable mistake.
The other a man holding onto a motorbike as it bombed extremely dangerously down a public road at 100mph, putting everyone's lives at risk, most of all his own.


Horrible accident. Speed kills.

The Backwards Man

Reedsie wrote: »

Funny how these posts direct towards punishing the car driver for not expecting the unexpected. It's quite obvious that the biker was very clearly expecting sweet f*ck all.

One was a car driver who through a lack of concentration made a huge, no doubt regrettable mistake.
The other a man holding onto a motorbike as it bombed extremely dangerously down a public road at 100mph, putting everyone's lives at risk, most of all his own.


Horrible accident. Speed kills.

Don't know where you get that idea, I have no desire to see anyone 'punished.' My interest is in seeing better awareness from ALL road users, and less collisions as a result.

Alkers

Rabbo wrote: »

It kinda is. Its not good enough to just tell people to be careful or drive slower. It is no harm for people to be judgemental of others driving and to learn from others mistakes.

In my mind the biker was primarily at fault, he was travelling way too fast to allow for the unexpected. A small error by another roaduser then resulted in a fatal crash.

Anyone on the road will see drivers and road users doing incredibly stupid things on a daily basis. People need to adjust their driving with the expectation that the roadusers around you will inevitably do something stupid. Always expect the unexpected.

A small error? That's about the worst error you can make in driving bar going the wrong way down a motorway!!

Karl Stein

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The car driver obviously did not look twice.

Check that it's safe to go and then check again.

Say Your Number

Karl Stein wrote: »

Check that it's safe to go and then check again.

I remember my driving instructor drilling that message into my head.

Jester252

davemc180 wrote: »

as said above

car driver took a glance expecting a car and turned..

bad form and in real life and lack of driving skill

this happens daily an 90% of the time the blame goes to the biker..

BAD BAD FORM..

the amount of post who say he was speeding which he was but not at crazy speed in fairness hes not flying!!!

is unreal.. as said above I drive bikes daily and the amount of speeding wildly over taking cars I see on the roads of Ireland is insane..

but a biker is killed and its **** THAT BIKER FOR SPEEDING is the general reply!!

100 mph is crazy speed. Given that the speed limit for the road is 60mph at max and the maximum legal speed in the UK is 70mph. Travelling at 100 mph is reckless and crazy.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I'm a biker, a car driver and cyclist ~ anyone here who tries to lay any blame on the car driver has no appreciation just how much ground a vehicle traveling at 100mph covers a literal blink of an eye.

IMO the driver of the car was almost entirely blameless.

I've seen the video a number of times, and I'm no slow coach on my bike ~ but 97mph on that road with junctions left and right, f*ck you're riding on a prayer!.

Around the city and on national roads like that I truely don't ride particularly fast ~ I'm older and wiser than years ago, but I still give the bike socks on the motorways and would regularly ride twice the speed limit.

Has the video slowed me down since viewing it, not really since I don't ride like that guy on similar roads but its made me question the sanity of someone who does (more than I used to)..

Wibbs

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I'm a biker, a car driver and cyclist ~ anyone here who tries to lay any blame on the car driver has no appreciation just how much ground a vehicle traveling at 100mph covers a literal blink of an eye.

IMO the driver of the car was almost entirely blameless.

Apparently in the court case which found him guilty the prosecution estimated he would have been able to see the biker for seven seconds on that road. I call shenanigans on that IMHO and I reckon the poor bastard was so shook over the whole thing that he just went along with it. I reckon an expert witness in vision and the judgement of speed in approaching moving objects would have torn that angle a new one. A bike is a much smaller visual target to acquire than a car. On approach gauging the closing speed would be significantly harder for an observer. In perfect conditions if an observer is expecting such a small high speed target approaching he might see the bike at that distance, but would still likely struggle to work out the closing speed. On a busy road at a junction with multiple targets, one of which was the car being overtaken by the bike, that window to see, judge and then react would be significantly narrowed. Clearly it was, or this incident would never have happened.

I still lay some blame at the driver of the car. He should have spotted the bike, but I'm equally unsurprised that he didn't and of all the factors in this the excessive and utterly daft speed the biker was doing is 90% of this tragedy IMHO.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Wibbs wrote: »

Apparently in the court case which found him guilty the prosecution estimated he would have been able to see the biker for seven seconds on that road. I call shenanigans on that IMHO and I reckon the poor bastard was so shook over the whole thing that he just went along with it. I reckon an expert witness in vision and the judgement of speed in approaching moving objects would have torn that angle a new one. A bike is a much smaller visual target to acquire than a car. On approach gauging the closing speed would be significantly harder for an observer. In perfect conditions if an observer is expecting such a small high speed target approaching he might see the bike at that distance, but would still likely struggle to work out the closing speed. On a busy road at a junction with multiple targets, one of which was the car being overtaken by the bike, that window to see, judge and then react would be significantly narrowed. Clearly it was, or this incident would never have happened.

I still lay some blame at the driver of the car. He should have spotted the bike, but I'm equally unsurprised that he didn't and of all the factors in this the excessive and utterly daft speed the biker was doing is 90% of this tragedy IMHO.

Yes he (maybe) should have spotted the bike but then found it hard to appreciate its speed.

Another thing which is difficult with bikes running day time lighting is the driver doesn't have whats called a diminishing background, we're tiny and only appear to drivers as close when its too late.

Tbh I'd find it hard to believe the driver could have seen the rider traveling at that speed for seven seconds.

Frigga_92

I feel it's important to once again point out that the driver of the car admitted to police that he did not look nor see the bike. It wasn't a case, by his own admission, that he looked and thought he had enough time to make the turn, it was the case that he did not look nor see the bike nor the car travelling behind the bike.

Micky Dolenz

That was hard to watch.

Going at that speed is mental, no matter how good a driver someone thinks they are, you are relying on too many conditions to stay in your favour.

The truth is, if the biker was travelling within the speed limit, that crash may have never happened or would not have been fatal.

Wibbs

The car didn't hit him though, did it? If a car had been doing the ton he might well have. Just my personal I grant you, but I strongly suspect his statement to the cops was as much shock as anything.

Don't get me wrong I lay blame at the driver. For a start he didn't even indicate, but the biker is nowhere near blameless doing those sort of speeds and maneuvers on a road like that.

Kidchameleon

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

I feel it's important to once again point out that the driver of the car admitted to police that he did not look nor see the bike. It wasn't a case, by his own admission, that he looked and thought he had enough time to make the turn, it was the case that he did not look nor see the bike nor the car travelling behind the bike.

have you a source for "did not look"? all i can find is that he said he did not see it...

Jadaol

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I'm a biker, a car driver and cyclist ~ anyone here who tries to lay any blame on the car driver has no appreciation just how much ground a vehicle traveling at 100mph covers a literal blink of an eye.

IMO the driver of the car was almost entirely blameless.

I've seen the video a number of times, and I'm no slow coach on my bike ~ but 97mph on that road with junctions left and right, f*ck you're riding on a prayer!.

Around the city and on national roads like that I truely don't ride particularly fast ~ I'm older and wiser than years ago, but I still give the bike socks on the motorways and would regularly ride twice the speed limit.

Has the video slowed me down since viewing it, not really since I don't ride like that guy on similar roads but its made me question the sanity of someone who does (more than I used to)..

I've looked at the video a couple of times and only really copped the last time that the biker had just overtaken a car, whilst flying down the road and approaching a junction. As someone else said if it didn't happen then it was only a matter of time. Absolutely crazy stuff.

We've all been really stupid on the road but luckily we get away with it most of the time. We don't always know the near misses we've had.

Bepolite

I'm digressing a bit but a couple of things strike me.

Firstly a moto I quite like: Accidents are as serious as their consequences.

We're all human, we all make mistakes. The biker shouldn't have been going the speed he was, the driver shouldn't have pulled across. Speed limits aren't pulled out of someone's arse. They are there for good reason. The exception, possibly, being the 120Kph limit which realistically it's not going to matter if you're at 120 or 150, you're likely dead anyway but that limit is one designed for a road with no more vulnerable users.

It really pisses me off seeing people doing stupid speeds in built up area and on country roads. Accidents happen. There are various safety measures in place one of them is speed limits. Speeders and people on mobiles should face short and more frequent bans for everyone's sake. Perhaps a month of having to get a taxi might put off people using mobiles/doing 60 in a 50. I forget how many times it is you're likely to kill someone at 60 than 50 but its a significant increase.

All that said I feel for the guy's family and, it has to be said, for the guy making the illegal turn - a moments lapse will be with him the rest of his life.

laugh

Say at the time the car driver makes the decision to cross the road, if the bike was doing the speed limit, would the car have cleared the road before the bike reached the position of the impact?

Menas

The whole thing is down to two drivers made mistakes at the wrong time and both lives ruined.... one sadly ended.

The fact that we are debating it so much here is a credit to that video. Even if just those on this thread drive that bit more careful then some good comes from this mess.

Micky Dolenz

laugh wrote: »

Say at the time the car driver makes the decision to cross the road, if the bike was doing the speed limit, would the car have cleared the road before the bike reached the position of the impact?

More relevant would be, would the biker have had the time to stop. In any case he would have been travelling at a collision speed that he may have survived from.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Wibbs wrote: »

Apparently in the court case which found him guilty the prosecution estimated he would have been able to see the biker for seven seconds on that road. I call shenanigans on that .

If you go back the rider starts to over take at 2:48 and the collision happens at 2:54 so at seven seconds the car driver would have needed x-ray vision!.

Someone said the car didn't indicate, tbh its impossible to tell by looking at the video and even if he/she didn't indicate the rider had no time or space to take any sort of evasive action.. btw the biker didn't indicate to overtake.

I can't see how the driver of the car has anything more than the bear minimum of blame (if any).

Duckjob

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

The car driver obviously did not look twice.

I'm pretty sure in my 20+ yrs of driving I've made plenty of mistakes/errors.
I'm pretty sure I've failed to "look twice" at junctions the odd time, and if you've been driving any length of time I'm pretty sure you have too.

The driver made a mistake - as has anybody who has been on the road any length of time. They didn't conciously do something to cause an accident.

To be honest I'm relieved he only took himself out. The way he was driving, an accident was inevitable and could have just as easily gone into the side door of the car and wiped half a family out.

Alkers

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

If you go back the rider starts to over take at 2:48 and the collision happens at 2:54 so at seven seconds the car driver would have needed x-ray vision!.

Someone said the car didn't indicate, tbh its impossible to tell by looking at the video and even if he/she didn't indicate the rider had no time or space to take any sort of evasive action.. btw the biker didn't indicate to overtake.

I can't see how the driver of the car has anything more than the bear minimum of blame (if any).

A driver who was behind the car that pulled out testified to having seen both the bike and the car he overtook.
The driver of the car claimed not to have seen either the bike or the car that was overtaken and later admitted that he didn't even look.

Speed was excessive which gave less of an opportunity to see the bike but you're not going to see the bike (or even the car) if you don't even look.

Car 100% at fault for the accident, speed of the biker added to its severity.

Alkers

Duckjob wrote: »

I'm pretty sure in my 20+ yrs of driving I've made plenty of mistakes/errors.
I'm pretty sure I've failed to "look twice" at junctions the odd time, and if you've been driving any length of time I'm pretty sure you have too.

The driver made a mistake - as has anybody who has been on the road any length of time. They didn't conciously do something to cause an accident.

To be honest I'm relieved he only took himself out. The way he was driving, an accident was inevitable and could have just as easily gone into the side door of the car and wiped half a family out.

So what if he didn't look a second time and the bike had been doing the speed limit. Still the same result, a dead biker.

Reedsie

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

If you go back the rider starts to over take at 2:48 and the collision happens at 2:54 so at seven seconds the car driver would have needed x-ray vision!.

I hadn't planned on watching it again but did so for the same reason. He overtakes at 2:48 and it is very difficult to even make out the car for the next couple of seconds. The bike of course is much smaller and would have been directly in front of the overtaken car which probably made it more difficult for the car driver.
The car driver was approaching the junction head on. It's a very standard manoeuvre and one most experienced drivers will take almost subconsciously at some stages of their driving. Personally I don't believe he 'didn't look'.

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I can't see how the driver of the car has anything more than the bear minimum of blame (if any).

If the bike had been travelling at 55mph and avoided the car, chances are he would have had nothing more than a bollocking from the police if they had seen it.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Simona1986 wrote: »

A driver who was behind the car that pulled out testified to having seen both the bike and the car he overtook..

I'd call him a liar to his face

CaptainInsano

Reedsie wrote: »

Can't help but feel that he was a bit unfortunate. If the bike was travelling within the recommended speed limit he would have had a much better chance of avoiding the car. It's still careless driving on the car drivers behalf, it's still the exact same dangerous manoeuvre. But it's somewhat because of the motorbikes speed that he is looking at 12 months community sentence and an 18 month driving ban.

I don't know really. We can only speculate on what view the driver had, though it was a straight road and the bike had it's lights on.
I'd put it down to a dangerous mix of speed and lack of concentration.

RustyNut

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I'd call him a liar to his face

But you might be wrong.

arybvtcw0eolkf

RustyNut wrote: »

But you might be wrong.

I might be, but its my opinion that he's lying.

Its stretching the imagination to believe the driver seen a bike traveling at 100mph through not one but two cars.

I believe he may have seen the moment immediately before the crash and his imagination put the rest together.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I'd call him a liar to his face

Yeah, but, you're massive.

RustyNut

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I might be, but its my opinion that he's lying.

Its stretching the imagination to believe the driver seen a bike traveling at 100mph through not one but two cars.

I believe he may have seen the moment immediately before the crash and his imagination put the rest together.

What possible motivation would an independent witness have to lie during an investigation about a fatal collision?

Reedsie

Simona1986 wrote: »

A driver who was behind the car that pulled out testified to having seen both the bike and the car he overtook.

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

I'd call him a liar to his face

I'd imagine he noticed him because of the bikers sheer speed.
The thing is that the bike might have been very visible for a split second at the top of the hill when overtaking. It could have happened that the driver behind noticed him at this second and the driver in question was glancing in his mirrors before indicating/moving right (as he should be doing).

If you're in a car with someone who takes a junction like that one ask them 5 or 10 seconds later what cars were coming. What make, what colour. Chances are they won't have a clue. They will have acknowledged if there was a danger or not and proceeded.
Ask a man who has falsely acknowledged the danger and who has had a 100mph motorbike slam into his car and chances are that he will just not know.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ford Big Motel wrote: »

Yeah, but, you're massive.

lol, I'm down to a little 115kgs ~ planning on fighting -100kg in Oct, so I'm at baby elephant size atm :P

Boskowski

Mikros wrote: »

I think a few people are missing the point of the video - it's not a blame game where you can simply say oh he was speeding and therefore was responsible for his own death. The video is highlighting how no one goes onto the road planning on being in an accident and just how quick and easy things can go wrong. I'm sure anyone who has driven long enough has had similar slips in concentration, but usually with no harm done.

The complacency that can creep in when driving can and does result in people dying - I think the family of the biker in this video are very brave for putting that out there in such a powerful way.

That's it really. People by and large don't give the appropriate respect which driving a 2 ton propelled vehicle deserves and are too blasé about it. Munching away absend mindedly, phone clipped between ear and shoulder as if it's the same as pushing a shopping trolley down the aisle at tescos.
And that's how sh1t happens.

Havin said that this biker was doing the polar opposite of driving defensively or even carefully. It just leaves you with no room for error.

For me the message is not who's to blame. People on all sides give driving your full attention is the message. A vehicle is a potentially very deadly weapon. We're all so blasé about it but it can happen to anyone in the blink of an eye.

pbear007

Sickening to think that people would even 'High Horse' in this thread .Car driver is by far the most responsible for accident .

Rabbo

pbear007 wrote: »

Sickening to think that people would even 'High Horse' in this thread .Car driver is by far the most responsible for accident .

Ah come on. 95mph through a junction is highly reckless at best

Wibbs

RustyNut wrote: »

What possible motivation would an independent witness have to lie during an investigation about a fatal collision?

Shock, as M said filling in the blanks after the event. This is very common in witness psychology. Indeed witnesses can claim to have seen things they couldn't possibly have seen and this has been observed many times. Put simply witnesses are not particularly reliable as a general rule.

pbear007 wrote: »

Sickening to think that people would even 'High Horse' in this thread .Car driver is by far the most responsible for accident .

So driving at 100 miles an hour and overtaking all over the place is safe then is it? As I asked earlier, what if we imagine the exact same video only this time it's a car not a bike we view the video from. A car overtaking recklessly, a car doing the ton on a secondary road with crossing traffic. Better yet make the driver a 20 year old, rather than a near middle aged man. I'll bet good money this imaginary car driver would get feck all sympathy beyond the natural sympathy over someone dying and he would be blamed for being a fcuking danger on the roads.

IMHO we have an innate feeling that bikers are more vulnerable, they're the "weak" on the roads and a car is the "strong" and they'll always come off worse in any accident. We take that feeling and put more sympathy onto the biker. Like I say imagine the same thing with a car, or a truck.

Talib Fiasco

Very grim video but I'm glad I and many more have and/or will see it. Tbh I'm not really concerned with who was in the wrong as there is no definite answer and that's not the point. We all need to reflect on this and take it on board for the rest of our days driving. I certainly won't forget that video in a hurry and David's last word/murmur will stay with me in particular. These sort of things happen every day and frankly we couldn't give a flying f*ck unless it's a relative or happens in the locality. I'm glad a stranger's story will hit home without one of us having to go through a similar tragedy in our own family/friend's circle.

TwoShedsJackson

Car driver clearly at fault (as he admitted in court) but the biker was foolish to drive at that speed also, going at that speed just reduced his options for when what happened, happened.

Reindeer

Yes, he was speeding, and he paid. But cars turn in front of bikes every day. In 1995 I was crossing an intersection at a green light in busy traffic. I was only doing maybe 40mph. A jeep pulled out in front of me in a similar way. I was rushed to hospital with a concussion, sprained wrists and ankles, my left leg had been ripped open at the knee, and I could not move for weeks. It's no surprise he died at that speed. Please be careful out there, folks.

arybvtcw0eolkf

If people think speed is not to blame in this case I'll put it to you this way.

Take the car out of the equation and replace it with a blow out, a large pot hole, a small animal or lord above a mechanical failure (link to a post I just made in the last few minutes in the motorbike forum ~ LOOK WHAT I FOUND ~ its a cracked brake disc on my bike) at 100mph the guy is still dead.

His speed contributed directly to his death.

In other words, he's the carpenter who carved his own cross.. And may he rest in peace, the poor lad.

Micky Dolenz

Danica Slow Mitten wrote: »

he's the carpenter who carved his own cross

I've never heard that before. I'm going to use it as if it were my own.

Totally agree with the speed comments also.

con___manx1

Reedsie wrote: »

Funny how these posts direct towards punishing the car driver for not expecting the unexpected. It's quite obvious that the biker was very clearly expecting sweet f*ck all.

One was a car driver who through a lack of concentration made a huge, no doubt regrettable mistake.
The other a man holding onto a motorbike as it bombed extremely dangerously down a public road at 100mph, putting everyone's lives at risk, most of all his own.


Horrible accident. Speed kills.

Idiots kill too how that driver didn't see that motorcyclist is beyond me. If you read the link in the first quote the driver admitted not seeing David or the car behind him. The road was straight as an arrow. He got community service and a short driving ban. Absolute joke of a punishment.

Tokyo

I think it would be interesting to change the scenario slightly and see what people's reactions would be. Imagine for one minute, if he'd been going at 97mph and had hit a pedestrian, who would you hold responsible then? He was a man that enjoyed the thrill of speed, and his actions were reckless (overtaking at speed, and 5 seconds before impact he had one hand on the handlebars) and they caught up with him.

His death a terrible waste and it's a tragedy for his family and the driver of the other car, who has to live with it. But the blame lies firmly with him. And I say that as a motorbike rider myself.