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So those who dwell on so-called 'Film Twitter' may have seen the great talking point of the moment.
In short: the esteemed film journals Cahiers Du Cinema and Sight & Sound have both opted to include Twin Peaks: The Return on their best films of the year lists - and remarkably high up at that (#1 and #2, respectively - although Get Out topping the S&S is perhaps just as surprising as a TV show being voted as runner-up). This has, understandably, provoked a bit of a friendly debate about the blurring of lines.
What are people's thoughts on the matter? Personally I feel TP:TR was an extraordinary accomplishment, and the most cinematically audacious work of the year (not that the year was without its big screen masterpieces). I can see the frustrations - it is television, made & presented as such. That said, it feels like a complete 'thing' from a singular director (not to neglect Mark Frost's key role in proceedings) in the way few other television shows ever have. Beyond a few outliers like The Dekalog, it is to me the first time in recent memory that TV has well & truly risen to the level of great cinema - and exceptions are made for exceptional circumstances
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I haven't seen Twin Peaks: The Return (heck, I haven't even seen the original show all the way through), but honestly at face value that choice feels more than a little 'click-bait'y and a move to garner reaction and discussion.
As Sad Professor says above, any serialised TV, no matter how creative or esteemed the director, is demonstrably not a film & shouldn't be seen as a feature-length entity when clearly it is anything but - from structure to narrative and all points in between. I get that there was great happiness and joy for fans of both Lynch and Twin Peaks that its return was a success, but let's not go overboard and assign accolades in categories it doesn't belong in.
Besides, everyone knows the best film of the year was Paddington 2. There. I said it and I don't care who knows it
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Looks like next Christmas doesn't have a Star Wars movie so looks like Disney are giving us a break
Paddington 2 is still playing if you want something to warm the cockles of your heart
And I've heard the Jumanji reboot/remake/sequel isn't as terrible as it could have been (supposedly coasting by on its leads)0 -
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im not complaining about star wars a ssuch but have more then one non-kids movie out, even if things like i tonya or the shape of water were already out I'd go see one of themLooks like next Christmas doesn't have a Star Wars movie so looks like Disney are giving us a break
Paddington 2 is still playing if you want something to warm the cockles of your heart
And I've heard the Jumanji reboot/remake/sequel isn't as terrible as it could have been (supposedly coasting by on its leads)0 -
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expectationlost wrote: »im not complaining about star wars a ssuch but have more then one non-kids movie out, even if things like i tonya or the shape of water were already out I'd go see one of them
Don't get me wrong, I feel ya, while I made those recommendations it was mostly out of an equal sense of frustration about there being few other options
On another, spleen-venting note though, anyone else around this forum equally sick of reading the endless 'discussion' over metacritic/RT scores, coupled with the tedious inevitability of critic bashing where the scores are lobsided? Every second thread now descends, or threatens to descend, into an endless non-debate over stats and scores that adds nothing except bickering over numbers, critics-as-shills or other tedious topics. Rather than, you know, talking about the movie; easier to play Popcorn Pokemon I guess.
Rant over, but the forum has really dipped in terms of quantitive chit-chat IMO0 -
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Don't get me wrong, I feel ya, while I made those recommendations it was mostly out of an equal sense of frustration about there being few other options
On another, spleen-venting note though, anyone else around this forum equally sick of reading the endless 'discussion' over metacritic/RT scores, coupled with the tedious inevitability of critic bashing where the scores are lobsided? Every second thread now descends, or threatens to descend, into an endless non-debate over stats and scores that adds nothing except bickering over numbers, critics-as-shills or other tedious topics. Rather than, you know, talking about the movie; easier to play Popcorn Pokemon I guess.
Rant over, but the forum has really dipped in terms of quantitive chit-chat IMO
Part of the reason why I rarely post these days, discussion is more often than not ignored in favor of petty squallbling over how all critics are either shills or
pretentious arses. Post after post about ratings from fans vs critics and so on is just boring.0 -
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Sad Professor wrote: »Is the squabbling over scores happening in other non-SW threads as well?
I've no specific examples to hand and honestly, I doubt any thread has been as bickery as the Last Jedi one has been but by & large I've observed most mainstream / blockbuster films throughout the year have attracted scoring chat of some kind - especially if the reviews skew negative. The Various DC films, Jurassic World etc.
Even smaller threads & films seem to attract it by default now: I'm just looking at the 'Bright' thread, and sure enough the conversation has already turned towards the aggregator score. I'm sure it won't descend to Last Jedi levels, but it's depressing that that's where the chat immediately goes.
Now, I'm not naive and I appreciate that metacritic et al have democratised film discussion in many respects and it's a stark reality of media critiquing today, but I just can't shake the sense that it it doesn't create any actual meaningful discussion on the forum; the opposite in-fact, sliding the topic into the aforementioned critic-bashing or conspiracy peddling.
Like I said, I've no hard figures and mostly just having a moan but maybe if I'm not merely whining in a vacuum it's worth taking into account how the forum approaches metacritic score discussion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 0 -
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Recently listened to a Vox interview with Nora Twomey who runs Cartoon Saloon. Haven't seen any of their work. She's also part of this THR roundtable.
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