Grange Hill Rathfarnham

MarkAnthony

Skerries

watch out if Zammo moves in as he could bring down the neighborhood with his drug taking

seamus

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

I went to see them over the weekend, I was surprised by them, both in good and bad ways. The houses were very big and most rooms were a really good size, with a huge amount of storage space. However for their price I found a lot of issues. Kitchens felt cheap, the oven in the 5 bed didn't fit the space, none of the press doors had soft close hinges. Only 2 parking spaces per house!! a five bed house with only two parking spots that'll cause no end of trouble in the future. The gardens in the 5 beds don't seem practical, very open/exposed and it would be hard to fit a shed in that doesn't look out of place. Only 1 en-suite bedroom in the 5 bed (there were more bathrooms in the 4 bed), very little wardrobe space in more rooms. The 4 bed only had the one living space downstairs which wouldn't suit a young family (as much as i love my kids I want a separate room for them downstairs). Far too close to the m50 for my liking, you wouldn't be able to sit out in the back garden in the summer without a constant drone coming from it.

That sounds absolutely crazy. I think we all spotted it here late last year when these prices first came up that they were crazy, but I would have at least expected a little bit of luxury for the price.

In other words you're getting boomtime houses (3 floors, tiny plot of land, cheap finishing) at boomtime prices, in a post-boom market. Anyone who buys these houses needs their head examined.

polydactyl

Look identical to these ones that are going on show in Drumcondra this week. http://www.dng.ie/Residential/brochure/3093013 think I will pop along to see what price tag they have in comparison.

Theboinkmaster

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

I went to see them over the weekend, I was surprised by them, both in good and bad ways. The houses were very big and most rooms were a really good size, with a huge amount of storage space. However for their price I found a lot of issues. Kitchens felt cheap, the oven in the 5 bed didn't fit the space, none of the press doors had soft close hinges. Only 2 parking spaces per house!! a five bed house with only two parking spots that'll cause no end of trouble in the future. The gardens in the 5 beds don't seem practical, very open/exposed and it would be hard to fit a shed in that doesn't look out of place. Only 1 en-suite bedroom in the 5 bed (there were more bathrooms in the 4 bed), very little wardrobe space in more rooms. The 4 bed only had the one living space downstairs which wouldn't suit a young family (as much as i love my kids I want a separate room for them downstairs). Far too close to the m50 for my liking, you wouldn't be able to sit out in the back garden in the summer without a constant drone coming from it.

I agree with the posters above I think they'll struggle to shift at that price. There are much more desirable houses close by in that price range that I would go for, if my budget was that high. Sure they have a high energy rating but that isn't the be all and end all of things. At 640 I'd go for something like this http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/8-manor-heath-rathfarnham-dublin-16/3148103 sure the house isn't as big, doesn't have as good a BER, but the living space is far more practical and the house is in a much better location. And I wouldn't be surprised if you could get the above house for less than asking.

We looked also, not a hope in achieving those prices.

The outside of them is disgusting looking, they look like apartments that will age very badly. Their designer/architect should be shot.

Also they are MILES away from rathfarnham village, really Ballinteer.

gaius c

Happened to pass them on Saturday. Good grief. The location on a busy, overloaded rural road is shocking.

Red Kev

No matter what the price I'd never buy there. Three reasons:

1. Miles away from any public transport, if you're driving there's serious traffic issues in the morning. I used to live nearby and was driving for a living.
2. Constant drone 24/7 from the M50 along with associated air pollution. You'll never really get used to it, even in summer you'll be inclined to have windows closed when they could be open.
3. Light glare from lighting on M50. Nothing you can do about this apart from heavy curtains.

gaius c

Red Kev wrote: »

No matter what the price I'd never buy there. Three reasons:

1. Miles away from any public transport, if you're driving there's serious traffic issues in the morning. I used to live nearby and was driving for a living.
2. Constant drone 24/7 from the M50 along with associated air pollution. You'll never really get used to it, even in summer you'll be inclined to have windows closed when they could be open.
3. Light glare from lighting on M50. Nothing you can do about this apart from heavy curtains.

You can add "mountain road but with extremely heavy traffic outside" (traffic lights at Marley park are causing havoc) and "poor footpaths".

Uno my Uno.

I have to say I like the look of these houses. whether they are priced correctly I don't know because I haven't been to see them (and I'm not in the market anyway.) but I like the lay outs and the and over all presentation of the estate. As for the location while it obviously doesn't appeal to some people I know the area reasonably well and I don't think it would be as bad as some make out. I would expect these to sell for the asking price.

Iintripod

Anyone on here been to see these houses? I'm going up this Wednesday to have a look around. Would like to get an insight as to what way they are finished? All help welcome.

Theboinkmaster

Iintripod wrote: »

Anyone on here been to see these houses? I'm going up this Wednesday to have a look around. Would like to get an insight as to what way they are finished? All help welcome.

yes went to see them, see my previous post. inside is OK, outside and location is terrible IMO.

salmocab

Not sure about the location the m50 would certainly put me off but Id like to go see them and have a listen before I decided but that aside its not too bad very close to marley park and shops, someone mentioned public transport earlier think you can stroll down through kingston estate to a bus stop not far at all maybe 10 minutes or so. The road itself can be busy but I drive up and back at least once a day sometimes more and its not bad any more although years ago it was a mare.

Iintripod

So dropped up to grangehill last night and had a look around. Viewed 5 bed first and got blown away. It's a big house. 2600sqft according to brochure. Well finished and according to the guy I met everything's included except furniture. It's outta our budget so couldn't get wife out quick enough. 4 bed is open plan and as a previous poster mentioned imo doesn't work. I love my kids but they would drive me demented all in one room. Was brought into a different house with a more traditional layout downstairs and for me that works much better. Again finish is good internally and included apparently. Now saying all that my issues are more around public transport. Drive to luas stop or walk down Marlay park for bus. Also does anyone know the situation with schools in that area? Prices are similar to new homes in the area so I'll await to see if they achieve them. There is a house across the road from it in pine valley. I'm having a look at it Saturday so we'll see what that has to offer. It's out of my budget also at 750k but it'll be interesting to compare the 2. New home versus second hand do up...

The_Conductor

Guys- I've splintered all the posts (19!) which were discussing the Wellfield development in Churchtown- off onto their own thread here.

If you intend to discuss the Churchtown development- instead of posting on this thread- please go here.

Cheers.

Glenbhoy

Iintripod wrote: »

So dropped up to grangehill last night and had a look around. Viewed 5 bed first and got blown away. It's a big house. 2600sqft according to brochure. Well finished and according to the guy I met everything's included except furniture. It's outta our budget so couldn't get wife out quick enough. 4 bed is open plan and as a previous poster mentioned imo doesn't work. I love my kids but they would drive me demented all in one room. Was brought into a different house with a more traditional layout downstairs and for me that works much better. Again finish is good internally and included apparently. Now saying all that my issues are more around public transport. Drive to luas stop or walk down Marlay park for bus. Also does anyone know the situation with schools in that area? Prices are similar to new homes in the area so I'll await to see if they achieve them. There is a house across the road from it in pine valley. I'm having a look at it Saturday so we'll see what that has to offer. It's out of my budget also at 750k but it'll be interesting to compare the 2. New home versus second hand do up...

I don't go to see properties which I know are out of my budget, I'm curious as to why anyone would? I'm not being judgemental here, just trying to know why you would torture yourself like that? In saying that however, I'm sure you're not alone, I've seen viewings of decent properties mobbed with no offers a month later, and anecdotally I've heard of people spending their weekends viewing houses with no real intention of buying.

gaius c

Glenbhoy wrote: »

I don't go to see properties which I know are out of my budget, I'm curious as to why anyone would? I'm not being judgemental here, just trying to know why you would torture yourself like that? In saying that however, I'm sure you're not alone, I've seen viewings of decent properties mobbed with no offers a month later, and anecdotally I've heard of people spending their weekends viewing houses with no real intention of buying.

Sure why not, no harm to get a feel for different levels of the market or even some decor tips.

JohnR1968

Are any of them sold? Still quoting strong prices.

Red31

I was up there at a viewing a few weeks back. The estate agent said they had a handful sold alright. No clue what prices were accepted though.

jay0109

Price drop central up at Harold Grange today!
750k houses down to 720k, -5%
640k houses down to 575k, -10%

Idbatterim

Price drop central up at Harold Grange today!
750k houses down to 720k, -5%
640k houses down to 575k, -10%

I reckon they will shift at that price, certainly the ones which have dropped 10%... People love to think they are getting a "bargain" whether they are or not...

seamus

Even at that, to have dropped the prices just 4 weeks after going on view indicates to me that they've gotten a fright from the lack of interest.

If someone was interested, I'd tell them to hold off another couple of months and wait for another price drop. You'll get those 4 beds in under €500k by the winter.

Iintripod

As said before I've been looking in this locality for some time and with prices at where they are at now they are similar to if not below most of the second hand stock in that area. But being a new house it would mean not spending a fortune on doing some up. Starting to look like these are a bit of value now in the new homes market, will be back there tomorrow night to see what is actually available and keep posted.

T.Moe

At those prices they should definitely sell in my opinion. I had a look at them 3 weeks ago and liked the houses a lot but were on the high side price wise. They are now in my price range so I am going back up at the weekend for another look.

I would disagree with Seamus about waiting a while to see if the prices drop further as I would be worried the builder sticks the prices back up if they get good sales at the reduced prices. It all depends on how serious you are about buying. I sold my apartment last year but the house I was buying fell through. I decided to sell anyway and have the money in the bank ready to buy when the right property came along. I am paying loo-lah rent at the moment so really need to buy soon -thats why I see good value in Grange Hill with the price reductions. I looked at a few other new developments but felt the prices were also too high on them - wonder if the developers there will hold firm on their prices or follow the lead of G Hill. I doubt it somehow. Most developers would rather stick it out and hope for the best rather than reacting to the times we are in.
Am sure I am in the minority and never thought I would ever pay a compliment to a developer but fair play to him for reacting to the market so quickly. Even if I dont buy there I wish them the best.
Dont slate me for the last comment :-)

anncoates

MarkAnthony wrote: »

I drive by a sign for the development every morning and *without fail* I think of that tune.

Big Nasty

anncoates wrote: »

I drive by a sign for the development every morning and *without fail* I think of that tune.

Same as!

Iintripod

Put a deposit on a 4 bed up here this morning. Viewed last night and with recent price drop bought end of tce for 605k, had been very close to buying second hand in pine valley at 575k but house defo needed anoth 50-70k to put it in decent shape. Hard to justify that when this is new at 605k. Have spent months looking around and am thrilled to now have my decision made. Haven't found anywhere with a finish like these houses.

Enduro

Best of luck with it. Keep us informed as to how things go...

salmocab

Iintripod wrote: »

Put a deposit on a 4 bed up here this morning. Viewed last night and with recent price drop bought end of tce for 605k, had been very close to buying second hand in pine valley at 575k but house defo needed anoth 50-70k to put it in decent shape. Hard to justify that when this is new at 605k. Have spent months looking around and am thrilled to now have my decision made. Haven't found anywhere with a finish like these houses.

Nice, fair play, best of luck.

ElectraX

It's good to see this particular developer emerging from the deluded state they were clearly in when they set the original prices but I'd say the prices on these will fall further.
Having been on the south side housing hunt for 2 years and finally going sale agreed quite recently I went to view these more so out of curiosity last week.
I agree the finish particularly on the five beds is high end but I personally think the location of some of the houses in the developmebt is horrendous! You are literally on the m50 and in a very bad location for public transport. I was surprised also how noisy the Harold Grange road is.They are being priced over 200k higher than Belmont in Stepaside and I cannot see the justification of it.
I was delighted to see the initial sales being so poor-only 4 out of 19 sold prior to price drop cause it was a well needed kick up the ass to another greedy developer.
Best of luck to those who have gone sale agreed. There is definitely something to be said for a brand spanking new gaff but for those who hang tight I believe these will fall by at least 50k more in coming months.

T.Moe

Hi guys.
I viewed the houses in Grange Hill again at the weekend and took the plunge this morning and put a deposit on a four bed. The deal I got on the four bed I felt was excellent so hopefully things work out for me on it.
ElectraX - Saying that the houses are" literally on the M-50" is a bit over the top in fairness. The houses are at a lower elevation than the M-50 so the noise is not that bad at all. The noise is a low pitched hum as opposed to being actually noisy and you cant hear a thing when you are in the houses. Some of the most expensive houses in Dublin are located on Merrion Rd which is is far noisier than the M-50 due to revving of engines etc and they are highly sought after.

Whilst I fully accept people deserve to be choosy when buying a house I dont think it is fair in describing the location of some of the houses as "Horrendous". I know I am somewhat biased in my opinion because I am buying one but you are giving people the impression that they would have to shout to be heard in their own homes.
ElectraX - Are you an agent by any chance? Selling in Belmont? your comments are a bit on the strong side for my liking which would lead me to think you have a vested interest in seeing poor sales in Grange hill. I could be wrong with that theory but saying the prices will come down by €50K in the coming months is ridiculous - Its giving false hope to people who may be sitting on the fence in regards to buying in Grange Hill. With the economy rising it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the prices on these houses will rise by the end of the year. Of course that is what I am hoping for seeing as I am buying one.

Iintripod

Elextra I'm not sure if you have ever set foot in Belmont as having viewed up there as recently as 3 weeks ago the only word that comes to mind is horrendous. Finished very poor and houses not fit for purpose. Finish quality in Belmont and grangehill are poles apart and I think anyone who has stood in both would have to agree. I met builder from grangehill onsite at weekend and everything I was promised I'm getting.....and a bit more.

MayBea

Well, I am not an agent, and I am not very fond of Grange Hill either I must confess... Questionable location near M50, no Luas/no shops in walkable distance. Architecturally not to my taste also, even though a good size houses.

Iintripod

Maybe a. I guess it depends what your looking for... Ballally lucas is 5 mins drive away and there is a shop 200mtrs down road. Granted it's not tesco but had the essentials. Access to the m50 is important for me and it has 3 routes so I can get to it in minutes. As for the noise I've stood in my new garden on Saturday and yes I'll hear the buzz but the again if it's quiet I wanted I'd buy in the countryside. Hey at the end of the day I'm looking for months and sick of traipsing through mediocre half thought out excuses for family homes. These are big in a good location and priced the same if not better than most second hand houses I've looked at and everything in them is brand new. For me it was a no brainer

Theboinkmaster

ElectraX wrote: »

It's good to see this particular developer emerging from the deluded state they were clearly in when they set the original prices but I'd say the prices on these will fall further.
Having been on the south side housing hunt for 2 years and finally going sale agreed quite recently I went to view these more so out of curiosity last week.
I agree the finish particularly on the five beds is high end but I personally think the location of some of the houses in the developmebt is horrendous! You are literally on the m50 and in a very bad location for public transport. I was surprised also how noisy the Harold Grange road is.They are being priced over 200k higher than Belmont in Stepaside and I cannot see the justification of it.
I was delighted to see the initial sales being so poor-only 4 out of 19 sold prior to price drop cause it was a well needed kick up the ass to another greedy developer.
Best of luck to those who have gone sale agreed. There is definitely something to be said for a brand spanking new gaff but for those who hang tight I believe these will fall by at least 50k more in coming months.

I agree we recently went sale agreed elsewhere on a new house in Dublin and went up to view these within a week or two of launch. Asking €640k was absurd so wasn't surprised they came down so quick however I think they could some down another €50k TBH. I'm from the area so know it well.

They are not Rathfarnham they are Ballinteer (you're in the Ballinteer parish) and Rathfarnham village is actually miles away.

They are close to Marlay Park which is a positive but quite a bit away from everything else, I think location is very poor also. You could walk through Kingston to get to no16 bus, about 10 min walk I'd say.

They are very much on the outskirts of everything and the noise from the m50 would seriously piss me off, they are literally on top of it.

The outside design is really bad I don't know what they were thinking - they look like duplex apartments more than houses. Really ugly looking houses.

They're really sandwiched between the m50 and Harold grange Road which is really busy, but everywhere north/east/west of them is actually fields so don't know why they didn't pick better site.

Even with recent price drop I don't think they will all sell for that price, would expect another 10% to come off them.

I understand why some would buy, given the luxury of walking into a brand new house but I think it's a sad state of affairs buyers are pushed into this level of house in Dublin and the developers get away with it.

Idbatterim

They're really sandwiched between the m50 and Harold grange Road which is really busy, but everywhere north/east/west of them is actually fields so don't know why they didn't pick better site.

I agree with you on the noise front in general, I am in an apartment backing into the Dundrum bypass at the moment, and I detest the place, looking at breaking lease and getting out early. For me, hearing any road noise from inside the house, but particularly the bedrooms, would be an absolute deal breaker. If you are out in the garden and can hear it, some might not deem it the end of the world.

In terms of why they didnt pick a better site, they didnt need to, who even knows if any others were available at the time. House prices in my opinion even on compromised sites, like you and I may deem it, dont seem to be effected much or if at all, by being on or near a busy road.

I will come back to the houses in Churchtown that were mentioned on this thread, I think they started out asking 850k, they have a big balcony from master bedroom fronting onto the ridiculously busy churchtown road. 850k for that crap, its as insane as the boom asking that IMO, except this isnt the boom! Its off the wall!

nc19

seamus wrote:

It's slightly further than Stocking Well, but almost the same. About as far as you can go and still claim to be "Rathfarnham". It's Ballinteer in reality, as said, but Ballinteer doesn't smell like money in the same way that Rathfarnham does. It's closer to Dundrum Village than it is to Rathfarnham Village FFS.

What's wrong with ballinteer?

seamus

nc19 wrote: »

What's wrong with ballinteer?

Nothing?

But a Ballinteer address isn't worth as much as a Rathfarnham address.

Big Nasty

Splitting hairs with the whole address thing. End of the day the postal address is Grange Road, Rathfarnham. Tara Hill and Whitechurch also have Rathfarnham address'

salmocab

Im pretty sure Seamus was being tongue in cheek to be fair.

Iintripod

To be fair my contract reads xx grangehill, harolds grange road, rathfarnham dublin 16. That would say to me that it's in rathfarnham. Unless Seamus you are the new head of an post and have re designated this address without telling anyone...... Also you may let dlrcoco know as they have it as a rathfarnham address also. Maybe they are all wrong and Seamus is right.

Theboinkmaster

Iintripod wrote: »

To be fair my contract reads xx grangehill, harolds grange road, rathfarnham dublin 16. That would say to me that it's in rathfarnham. Unless Seamus you are the new head of an post and have re designated this address without telling anyone...... Also you may let dlrcoco know as they have it as a rathfarnham address also. Maybe they are all wrong and Seamus is right.

Nobody is saying it's not technically Rathfarnham - it is, same way as Stocking Wood is.

But really it's Ballinteer. It's not proper Rathfarnham D14 it's Ballinteer D16 and you're in the Ballinteer parish which means your kids will go to a Ballinteer school.

So only on paper it's Rathfarnham, but in reality Ballinteer.

Maybe start a support group with the Stocking Wood residents :cool:

Iintripod

Theboinkmaster: May get on to google maps also they have it down as rathfarnham. I guess if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and smells like a duck it's still a chicken unless you say so....... Not really sure why this would bother you so much..... Seems simple to me. Does it have a rathfarnham address? Yes! So where's you issue apart from wanting to be responsible for drawing maps.....

Theboinkmaster

Iintripod wrote: »

Theboinkmaster: May get on to google maps also they have it down as rathfarnham. I guess if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and smells like a duck it's still a chicken unless you say so....... Not really sure why this would bother you so much..... Seems simple to me. Does it have a rathfarnham address? Yes! So where's you issue apart from wanting to be responsible for drawing maps.....

My issue is simple - greedy developer gets to call this Rathfarnham (like Stocking Wood) and sell at a premium over Ballinteer address.

People pay Rathfarnham prices to get their kids into schools like Loreto as it's in the Rathfarnham parish. These "houses" are nowhere near the Rathfarnham parish they're in the Ballinteer parish therefore you live in Ballinteer effectively not Rathfarnham, but still paying a premium.

People come onto this thread asking others their opinion and that's just mine. You're coming across very defensive - its like the Limekiln Road addresses that are in Terenure, but they're D12.

Maybe people are deluded into thinking they live in Rathfarnham by paying these prices like the poor bastards up in Stocking Wood.

Iintripod

But your missing my point here. Everything about these houses say rathfarnham, (dlrcoco, an post, developer, Google maps) you say ballinteer. I'm just pointing out that this is a rathfarnham address according to all of the above. Is that not true?

The_Conductor

Iintripod wrote: »

But your missing my point here. Everything about these houses say rathfarnham, (dlrcoco, an post, developer, Google maps) you say ballinteer. I'm just pointing out that this is a rathfarnham address according to all of the above. Is that not true?

Its the same as many other areas which are viewed as semi desireable having any of a ridiculous number of surrounding areas try to tag themselves onto the desireable area (aside from anything else- it helps with house prices). Look at Lucan. Areas that were once Neilstown- and reknowned as an unofficial halting site- have been cleared and developed over the past 15 years- and all of a sudden are 'Lucan Co. Dublin'. Liffey Valley Shopping Centre (which I don't think anyone can dispute is Neilstown) was 'Palmerstown' on its original planning permission and then Lucan Co. Dublin. Large parts of Clonee Co. Meath- have managed to even switch county altogether- and are Dublin 15.

If you go to register your children in school in Rathfarnham- you'll find you're not in the 'Catchment area' for the Rathfarnham schools (same way as I live on Main Street in Lucan Village- and my children are not in the Catchment Area for the Gaelscoil Naomh Pádraig or Gaelscoil Eiscir Riada- up Adamstown direction- despite their address being 'Lucan'........

Yes- there is a snob factor- I don't think anyone can deny it- but the simple fact of the matter is none of these areas were traditionally Rathfarnham (or in my case- Lucan)........

In Lucan's case- the residents insisting on calling it Lucan Co. Dublin- was instrumental in the local postal sorting office in the village closing to the public- and being attached onto Fonthill/Clondalkin instead........

Some might call it progress. Of a kind........

Theboinkmaster

Iintripod wrote: »

But your missing my point here. Everything about these houses say rathfarnham, (dlrcoco, an post, developer, Google maps) you say ballinteer. I'm just pointing out that this is a rathfarnham address according to all of the above. Is that not true?

You need to re-read my posts :rolleyes:

Iintripod

I have all of that but the point was also made that these houses were being labelled rathfarnham to achieve rathfarnham prices however they are actually cheaper and better quality than any new development in rathfarnham ie hersilwood, they are also better priced than most second hand homes in either ballinteer or rathfarnham so I'm just not getting the point being made that the developer is being greedy trying to use a rathfarnham address...... It's being used because it is a rathfarnham address".................Anyway.... Time for me to start planning our move this weekend. #theexcitement.....

salmocab

Iintripod wrote: »

I have all of that but the point was also made that these houses were being labelled rathfarnham to achieve rathfarnham prices however they are actually cheaper and better quality than any new development in rathfarnham ie hersilwood, they are also better priced than most second hand homes in either ballinteer or rathfarnham so I'm just not getting the point being made that the developer is being greedy trying to use a rathfarnham address...... It's being used because it is a rathfarnham address".................Anyway.... Time for me to start planning our move this weekend. #theexcitement.....

Best of luck, I like the location, not perfect but can't imagine too many developments in the general area will be.

Big Nasty

salmocab wrote: »

Best of luck, I like the location, not perfect but can't imagine too many developments in the general area will be.

5 mins walk to Marlay Park; 5 mins walk to the pub; 5 mins drive to Dundrum TC; 5 mins drive to M50; 5 mins drive to Ticknock Wood.

Can't understand the hate for this site tbh. Has a lot going for it IMO.

salmocab

Big Nasty wrote: »

5 mins walk to Marlay Park; 5 mins walk to the pub; 5 mins drive to Dundrum TC; 5 mins drive to M50; 5 mins drive to Ticknock Wood.

Can't understand the hate for this site tbh. Has a lot going for it IMO.

Yeah the proximity of the M50 isn't great but everything else is grand I think