Ryanair to fly to Primary Hubs.

Bob24

LiamaDelta wrote: »

A tad dramatic maybe? LHR to Paddington £20 (£18 online) for a 15 minute journey (approx 20 miles)
And you have the alternative of the tube and Heathrow Connect and buses.

In Paris you are paying 9.5 euros for routhly the same distance (to Chatelet les Halles - central Paris) covered in 35 minutes on a less relaxing train. Depends what people value the most I guess - cost or quality of service. Have been to a couple of places in Northern Europe or Asia who are actually delivering both at the same time, beating Paris and London.

Also I won't elaborate as it is not the right place, but RER B definitely is infamous for delays and safety issues.

Bob24

Strumms wrote: »

Its not dramatic actually. I paid upwards of 30 granted my flight had been delayed into LHR and i needed to be in Camden by a certain time so the walk up price was i given was 31 or something it was defo over 30. Be it 20 or whatever i would hardly call it dramatic to think that is a rip off for a 10 or 15 minute trip.

Official fare list to help close the debate: https://www.heathrowexpress.com/tickets-deals/prices-fares

The most expensive one way fare I see (assuming your are not in first class and buy from a counter or ticket machine on the day of the journey) is 21.50 GBP.

Buying on board is 26.50 and can't be compared to Paris as it is not an option there (you are not supposed to get on the train without a ticket and if you do and get caught you'll get a fine).

LiamaDelta

Strumms wrote: »

Its not dramatic actually. I paid upwards of 30 granted my flight had been delayed into LHR and i needed to be in Camden by a certain time so the walk up price was i given was 31 or something it was defo over 30. Be it 20 or whatever i would hardly call it dramatic to think that is a rip off for a 10 or 15 minute trip.

Well in those famous words 'you got done mate'. The walk up fare is £21.50 (up £1.50 since I last used it). The bit I was calling dramatic was your implication that the standard fare was 50% more than it actually is.
I don't disagree that it's a rip off, hence I use the Underground...unless someone else is paying!

Anyway...back to the topic

Strumms

Prices have changed, I actually have the app on my phone and the ticket saved and the price was £30.65 one way. Fact.

Secondly with the Heathrow Express you don't have the option that I am aware anyway of incorporating that trip onto an oyster card say as you would the tube.

In Paris you can. For example. Going to be spending 3 days in Paris as a visitor you can buy a Paris Visite card at the station at CDG at £39.74 and will include all your travel in Paris and return to the airport. http://parisbytrain.com/paris-visite-pass-card/ That 5 zones also which will take you quite far out also. I think it's clear what the better value is unless you really really get a kick out of that comfy train for all of 15 minutes. Also that card in Paris gives a host of discounts on attractions and tours.

I won't get into the debate about safety as I have years of experience of living in paris and I'll thke that over a sensationalist newspaper article. Felt much more safe travelling the metro and RER late at night then London for example and even here I'll get a taxi before the Luas if its late.

billie1b

CDG is a kip, BVA is a kip, my choice most times is still BVA due to the bus, I much prefer the bus than the RER, the amount of people pick pocketed and robbed daily from CDG to the city is unbelievable, plus the bus leaves me on the direct line to the No13 metro line for my hotel

markpb

Damien360 wrote:

Galway ones (for those that are remaining) has 2 lanes going all the way around and local knowledge dictates that you do as you please.

I never take the RER from CDG anymore, the Roissy (ratp) bus is more convenient, has somewhere for my luggage and, even in rush hour, never takes more than the train. If Ryanair start flying to CDG, I'll be delighted.

Strumms

markpb wrote: »

I never take the RER from CDG anymore, the Roissy (ratp) bus is more convenient, has somewhere for my luggage and, even in rush hour, never takes more than the train. If Ryanair start flying to CDG, I'll be delighted.

Where does that bus leave you in Paris ? The RER always works for me as I stay around the 5th literally a two minute walk from Luxembourg station. I am presuming you can get that bus on the Paris Visite card ?

markpb

Strumms wrote: »

Where does that bus leave you in Paris ? The RER always works for me as I stay around the 5th literally a two minute walk from Luxembourg station. I am presuming you can get that bus on the Paris Visite card ?

It leaves from rue Scribe, close to RER Auber or M° Opéra so it's always been handy for me to get to. I've never used the Visite card, just paid cash. I think it's €10 but it's non-stop from Scribe to CDG so it makes good time.

Strumms

billie1b wrote: »

CDG is a kip, BVA is a kip, my choice most times is still BVA due to the bus, I much prefer the bus than the RER, the amount of people pick pocketed and robbed daily from CDG to the city is unbelievable, plus the bus leaves me on the direct line to the No13 metro line for my hotel

Billie where do you get off ? The one and only time I used that bus it was non stop to Porte Mailliot which is only served by line 1

Bob24

Strumms wrote: »

Billie where do you get off ? The one and only time I used that bus it was non stop to Porte Mailliot which is only served by line 1

Unless there is another bus we don't know about you are correct. Only one stop at Porte Maillot: http://www.aeroportbeauvais.com/bus.php?lang=eng

"Direct without stop between Beauvais Airport and the Pershing car park in Paris - Porte Maillot"

But I think what he meant is that he was 1 transfer away from line 13.

billie1b

Strumms wrote: »

Billie where do you get off ? The one and only time I used that bus it was non stop to Porte Mailliot which is only served by line 1

Sorry, I do apologise, I get Port Maillot line 1 five stops to Clemenceau, then hop the 13 line 6 stops to Brochant, there's trains every 3 minutes on the line, its like you don't even get off.

snubbleste

Ryanair to open Frankfurt base
Ryanair will operate services to Alicante, Faro, Malaga and Palma and base two aircraft at Frankfurt from March 2017. All four routes will be operated on a daily basis.

L1011

Leaves just CDG and LHR from the will-never-operate claims of the past. Due to the slot cost at LHR I don't see that one going.

737max

Wouldn't Slots be devalued by another runway? Aren't they the aviation equivalent of a Dublin Taxi driver license pre-deregulation.

All those airports would love aircraft based in their airports where the airline is getting 95% occupancy; that's more passenger fees and more customers for the shops and parking in the airport.

737max

snubbleste wrote: »

Ryanair to open Frankfurt base
Ryanair will operate services to Alicante, Faro, Malaga and Palma and base two aircraft at Frankfurt from March 2017. All four routes will be operated on a daily basis.

As as potential Customer I welcome the extra choice that this brings. March can be a bit dreary so there are a few slightly sunnier locations to which I can fly by inexpensively by simply walking from my workplace or Apartment to the train and from train to plane in Frankfurt Main.

munchkin_utd

back on topic,
just a day after Ryanair announced their move into Frankfurt which even made a proper article on the main evening news, they are in the news today regarding alleged illegal state subsidies for flying to Lübeck (Hamburg east?) which has now made it to the supreme court.
The current case is delving into aid received from the city, and has been dragging on now for over 10 years, initially started by Air Berlin, taking a trip to the european courts and now challenged by Ryanair.

Seemingly, the help Ryanair received from Lübeck wasn't limited to a good deal on landing fees, they apparently received €300 per tourist from the Lübeck city council !
http://regionalflughaefen.info/blankensee/?p=1615

So if you want to figure why Ryanair is abandoning obscure airports for hubs, it could be very much linked to this court case today, which is exposing just why those out of the way airports were so attractive.

EDIT: if anyone is native german speaker, and expert in german legal speak, then heres the previous decisions of courts on the Lübeck case, which I cannot make head nor tail of.
http://www.shz.de/regionales/newsticker-nord/bgh-verhandelt-im-streit-um-vorteile-fuer-ryanair-in-luebeck-id15243151.html

J.pilkington

munchkin_utd wrote: »

back on topic,
just a day after Ryanair announced their move into Frankfurt which even made a proper article on the main evening news, they are in the news today regarding alleged illegal state subsidies for flying to Lübeck (Hamburg east?) which has now made it to the supreme court.
The current case is delving into aid received from the city, and has been dragging on now for over 10 years, initially started by Air Berlin, taking a trip to the european courts and now challenged by Ryanair.

Seemingly, the help Ryanair received from Lübeck wasn't limited to a good deal on landing fees, they apparently received €300 per tourist from the Lübeck city council !
http://regionalflughaefen.info/blankensee/?p=1615

So if you want to figure why Ryanair is abandoning obscure airports for hubs, it could be very much linked to this court case today, which is exposing just why those out of the way airports were so attractive.

EDIT: if anyone is native german speaker, and expert in german legal speak, then heres the previous decisions of courts on the Lübeck case, which I cannot make head nor tail of.
http://www.shz.de/regionales/newsticker-nord/bgh-verhandelt-im-streit-um-vorteile-fuer-ryanair-in-luebeck-id15243151.html

Back on topic of Ryanair flying to hubs (and not their existing remote airports)

Maybe to take advantage of air berlins cut backs before Lufthansa gets a chance and I'm sure some capacity will be freed up by this (link is in English)


https://www.thelocal.de/20160929/air-berlin-to-cut-1200-jobs

munchkin_utd

well the topic title is "Ryanair to fly to Primary Hubs", so dealing with why they would do this is as much to do with why their beloved regional airports are no longer as attractive, as dealing with news on expansion into hub airports.

Anyhow, after a wee bit more searching about, it seems that Frankfurt airport have been busy little bees and with a fourth runway in operation and €3billion 3rd terminal to be completed in 2022 are over capacity tending towards being way over capacity.
Since the new runway in 2011, Frankfurt has authorised capacity for 701 000 flights per year, but only 468 000 flights operated last year, thanks to Lufthansa not expanding as predicted/ promised/ expected.

The one catch is that they are lacking in stands at the terminal to deal with extra flights, but Ryanair are happy to park away from the terminal and bus the passengers so they can work away.

So if I read it correctly, there's massive expansion potential for Ryanair at Frankfurt as there's plenty of slots now available.

Irish Steve

OK Folks, for all sorts of reasons, some valid, some not so valid, we've drifted a very long way from the original thread subject, and I'd like to try and get back to where the thread was going before some of us (myself included) widened the subject some .

Can we perhaps move the discussion about the airport that is infrastructure related into the existing Dublin infrastructure thread, as most of that aspect would fit well in that thread.

In relation to the DAA and how they manage (or don't) the airport, that has been split out into a separate thread

Going forward, could I ask people to be restrained in their comments, by all means comment on the post, but don't go after the poster, we've had more than enough aggravation in recent weeks with personal attacks and similar, and the considered opinion is that if people are not going to behave, regardless of how many posts they might have posted, we will be more proactive in taking action to curb the excesses.

737max

Ryanair will fly from Frankfurt Main on many more routes.

This report says they receive a discount for 3 years but I think I heard on radio that the discount only applies to routes not already served which may explain why there is no Dublin/Frankfurt route announced.

https://www.op-online.de/region/frankfurt/wir-sind-europas-guenstigste-airline-7445186.html

And Frankfurt Hahn is being sold by Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen States to Chinese company HNA for 15 million euro. How many metres of runway at Dublin would that get ya?

munchkin_utd

Not sure if it would even deserve a new thread altogether, but today is a day to go into the history books.
Ryanair have begun their scheduled services from Frankfurt, the real one, the one thats 10min form downtown Frankfurt, which is no where near Luxembourg, yes FRA

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/wirtschaft/luftverkehr-ryanair-nimmt-flugbetrieb-aus-lufthansa-nest-frankfurt-auf-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-170328-99-841483

What important airports in western europe are they now missing ?
Heathrow, Charles de Gaulles, Munich, Stockholm Arlanda would be a few that spring to mind.
Geneva and Zurich in Switzerland are also missing, but that's Switzerland and with the disposable incomes there you'd wonder if a low cost airline would be popular seeing as they can well afford the prices asked for by swiss.

L1011

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Geneva and Zurich in Switzerland are also missing, but that's Switzerland and with the disposable incomes there you'd wonder if a low cost airline would be popular seeing as they can well afford the prices asked for by swiss.

Easyjet Switzerland (seperate AOC) are fairly successful.

etselbbuns

Ryanair to feed & codeshare Air Europa flights from Madrid to the Americas.
you'll be able to book a flight from Dublin to Brasil on ryanair.ie
http://www.preferente.com/noticias-de-transportes/noticias-de-aerolineas/air-europa-se-alia-con-ryanair-para-fortalecer-el-caribe-267365.html

737max

How times have changed.

The low fares like it or lump it carrier is basically now offering nearly every service that conventional airlines offer but with a lower cost base and lower fares.
holiday destinations
quasi business offering
flying to more central locations.
transatlantic with a twist.


About all they are not doing yet is sub 100 seater planes and carrying freight.
If they can make the numbers for either of those work then who'd bet against them doing it.
They announce their financial results next week.
While passenger growth and profitability is important it will to important to see that their costs aren't increasing.

Doltanian

They are also expanding into the Ukraine which will be their furthest east. The EU has recently (rather stupidly imo) granted Visa Free Travel to Ukraine into the Schengen Area so you can bet your house there will be an exodus from Ukraine and Ryanair will be there to move them back and forth and profit handsomely from it.

737max

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-announces-additional-300-million-investment-in-frankfurt-35-new-routes-including-agadir-barcelona-corfu-chania-kefalonia-marseille-murcia-mykonos-perpignan-perugia/

They are ramping up FRA as a hub for 2018.