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BTH · 20-09-2014 4:52pm

Tom__JNR wrote: »

What do you mean by saying worthy winner? Blame the system not the athletes....

I think that's the.point I'm making. The system is flawed, hence a winner who hasnt won a race all year. New system is needed and has been needed for years. Not blaming any athletes.

Tom__JNR · 20-09-2014 5:02pm

BTH wrote: »

I think that's the.point I'm making. The system is flawed, hence a winner who hasnt won a race all year. New system is needed and has been needed for years. Not blaming any athletes.

Who has not win a race all year? Saying that the winner is not worthy you are simply offending others unless you are the winner and i dont think so!

EC1000 · 20-09-2014 5:23pm

Is aaron o brien not going to win? If not, who is?

cart man · 20-09-2014 5:31pm

EC1000 wrote: »

Is aaron o brien not going to win? If not, who is?

I reckon Chris will win it, fantastic 3 weekends in a row

BTH · 20-09-2014 5:34pm

EC1000 wrote: »

Is aaron o brien not going to win? If not, who is?

Do you think Aaron, he of 5 NS race wins, deserves to win the series, or Chris M, he of 5 NS race wins deserves to win the series? Because it looks like neither will win it, but I better not name names or Tom might get upset. Again, I'm not having a go at the likely winner, he's played the game, played the system perfectly, I'm just highlighting how this proves the need for change to said system.

Tom__JNR · 20-09-2014 5:43pm

BTH wrote: »

Do you think Aaron, he of 5 NS race wins, deserves to win the series, or Chris M, he of 5 NS race wins deserves to win the series? Because it looks like neither will win it, but I better not name names or Tom might get upset. Again, I'm not having a go at the likely winner, he's played the game, played the system perfectly, I'm just highlighting how this proves the need for change to said system.

Not upsetting me, just die to know who played the system?

BTH · 20-09-2014 5:49pm

Tom__JNR wrote: »

Not upsetting me, just die to know who played the system?

If I told you that would just ruin the suspense.

Tom__JNR · 20-09-2014 6:03pm

BTH wrote: »

If I told you that would just ruin the suspense.

I rest my case...

Anyway we all agree that new system is much needed and the main goal should be for TI to create races which atract all top athletes (drafting or non-drafting).

DaveR1 · 22-09-2014 9:30am

EC1000 wrote: »

Is aaron o brien not going to win? If not, who is?

Tomasz Gagola will win it by a decent margin. I would be very surprised if not.

Tom__JNR wrote: »

Not upsetting me, just die to know who played the system?

I think saying played the system is extremely unfair. Has he been the most consistent athlete in terms of results this year? I would say one of the best definitely, but there needs to be a points system in place, not a voting system. He has only done 5 races, so there's no way you can accuse him of playing the system. Maybe a bit of luck, but playing the system no. He raced well in all 5 races and was overall a very consistent athlete throughout the season. The National Series is meant to find the most consistent athlete throughout the season and I don't think you could say doesn't deserve to win it.

After saying all that, Chris still has a chance, just depends on what points his last 3 races are worth.

EC1000 · 22-09-2014 9:45am

DaveR1 wrote: »

The National Series is meant to find the most consistent athlete throughout the season and I don't think you could say doesn't deserve to win it.

Think it definitely highlights the fact that, in this case, it is not finding the BEST triathlete who completed all 5 races - hence the need for change to an ETU style points system.

DaveR1 · 22-09-2014 11:54am

EC1000 wrote: »

Think it definitely highlights the fact that, in this case, it is not finding the BEST triathlete who completed all 5 races - hence the need for change to an ETU style points system.

What constitutes BEST?

Man City won the premier league last year.
Arsenal won the FA cup final.

Which team was better?

tunney · 22-09-2014 12:21pm

DaveR1 wrote: »

What constitutes BEST?

Man City won the premier league last year.
Arsenal won the FA cup final.

Which team was better?

Villa

MD1983 · 22-09-2014 12:45pm

BTH wrote: »

hence a winner who hasnt won a race all year. New system is needed and has been needed for years. Not blaming any athletes.

if its Tomaz you refer to he won in Athy! he targeted winning it this year and fair play to him if he does get it in the end

I do agree though that the system is flawed to some extent but how do you make it fairer while still making it functional

EC1000 · 22-09-2014 12:57pm

DaveR1 wrote: »

What constitutes BEST?

Man City won the premier league last year.
Arsenal won the FA cup final.

Which team was better?

This is not a discussion that has a right and wrong answer. However, I think if you enter 5 NS races and win them all (including the national champs), that is fairly conclusive........ (even if 2 people have done this......)

sconhome · 22-09-2014 4:42pm

DaveR1 wrote: »

What constitutes BEST?

Man City won the premier league last year.
Arsenal won the FA cup final.

Which team was better?

Liverpool!!

Tom__JNR · 23-09-2014 6:44pm

Updated points are on TI website.

Fair play to Chris!

DaveR1 · 24-09-2014 4:54pm

Tom__JNR wrote: »

Updated points are on TI website.

Fair play to Chris!

What's happened now? Points have changed, Chris back to second??

mossym · 25-09-2014 9:06pm

See the official announcement of the new structure is out. TI posted it on twitter.

PWEI · 25-09-2014 9:19pm

DaveR1 wrote: »

What's happened now? Points have changed, Chris back to second??

Points for Blacksod Point Challenge were reduced.

It was my highest scoring race & now is my 2nd lowest.

mirrormatrix · 25-09-2014 10:09pm

http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=1986

I like the fact that the NS is down from 5 to 4 races. I think this is a really positive step.

Podge83 · 25-09-2014 11:40pm

A lot of positives. One Question to the learned - Am I reading it correctly in that there is no Age Group National Champs for Olympic and Sprint Distance?

mossym · 26-09-2014 8:37am

Podge83 wrote: »

A lot of positives. One Question to the learned - Am I reading it correctly in that there is no Age Group National Champs for Olympic and Sprint Distance?

It's what it seems. looks like the ag'ers will be racing there as well, but not in a national champsionship race, in a national series race

is it a big deal? anyone with a shout of winning the nc will be in the top tier anyway

tunney · 26-09-2014 9:08am

mossym wrote: »

It's what it seems. looks like the ag'ers will be racing there as well, but not in a national champsionship race, in a national series race

is it a big deal? anyone with a shout of winning the nc will be in the top tier anyway

And if it happens that the first across the line is not a Div1 athlete?

Its happened in quite a few IMs, the first across the line has been an AGer but as not a Pro, they didn't win.

EC1000 · 26-09-2014 9:14am

tunney wrote: »

And if it happens that the first across the line is not a Div1 athlete?

Its happened in quite a few IMs, the first across the line has been an AGer but as not a Pro, they didn't win.

Only category 1 athletes are eligible to win the national champs. Given that the cat 1 will will be off well in advance of the AGers, I dont think an AGer will be first across the line. They may have a faster time - but will not be national champ.

I can't see it being an issue - anyone can apply to race in cat 1 - its not a money thing like in Ironman.

tunney · 26-09-2014 9:25am

EC1000 wrote: »

Only category 1 athletes are eligible to win the national champs. Given that the cat 1 will will be off well in advance of the AGers, I dont think an AGer will be first across the line. They may have a faster time - but will not be national champ.

I can't see it being an issue - anyone can apply to race in cat 1 - its not a money thing like in Ironman.

How is that Kool Aid tasting?

EC1000 · 26-09-2014 9:28am

tunney wrote: »

How is that Kool Aid tasting?

Not drinking the Kool Aid at all. And I'm far from a level of performance where any of this matters to me anyway. I'm just willing to give this a chance.

What is your alternative (specifically)?

mossym · 26-09-2014 9:29am

tunney wrote: »

And if it happens that the first across the line is not a Div1 athlete?

Its happened in quite a few IMs, the first across the line has been an AGer but as not a Pro, they didn't win.

i disagree with it at IM. fastest across the line wins. protecting prize purses for pros is bull$hit

can't be an issue here though, as from my read of it, they are two seperate races. says specifically where the nat champs is on, a national series race must also be held. that seems to be two separate races to me. so even if the winner of the ag race goes quicker than the elite race, it's a separate race so no issue

mirrormatrix · 26-09-2014 9:33am

EC1000 wrote: »

Only category 1 athletes are eligible to win the national champs. Given that the cat 1 will will be off well in advance of the AGers, I dont think an AGer will be first across the line. They may have a faster time - but will not be national champ.

I can't see it being an issue - anyone can apply to race in cat 1 - its not a money thing like in Ironman.

Agree with this completely. If you are capable of posting the fastest time in the national champs, why could you not be a cat 1 athlete, unless it's your first season and you've not got history of setting good times? In which case it's correct that you have to prove yourself before being allowed into cat 1.

No issue at all as far as I can see.

EC1000 · 26-09-2014 9:37am

mirrormatrix wrote: »

unless it's your first season and you've not got history of setting good times?

There is a mechanism for getting into cat 1 without a NS history if you can show a swim/run time from a previous race that is of a sufficient standard. Not sure if this is such a good idea - think it should involve bike times at least.

bryangiggsy · 26-09-2014 10:04am

I think its a positive step. I like the idea.

However have a couple of questions

Top 50+ in the super series should this not read top 200+ if div 1 is going to comprise of 10 per age group
Yonger and older age groups vary widly in standards so potenitally you could have a 2.40 Olympic distance athlete racing in Division 1 and a 2.15 athlete racing age group.
Also am i right in saying the scoring system remains the exact same for the age group races (as it has been the past the past 5 yrs)
Only had a quick glance so correct me if wrong.

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