Call for State schools to accommodate Islamic beliefs

alastair

gallag wrote: »

Ok then, find me a christian forum that holds majority views that most western people would find abhorrent.

You haven't actually presented a muslim forum that holds majority views that western people would find abhorrent. Just saying.

gallag

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So let's say out of a BILLION Muslims, 50% have internet access, That's 500,000,000 people. Can you show me the forum that has 500 million unique acconts and all are advocating murder?

No, but I can show you that the majority of the ones online do, is that not good enough? and if not why do you think the moderates are so overwhelmingly under represented? is it just a coincidence that most Muslim's that go to muslim forums, boards or chat rooms seem to hold views that are abhorrent to western values?

gallag

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Wasn't so long ago that a Catholic marrying a Protestant in this country could get you tarred and feathered.

thank god we have evolved past that and it's not the view of the majority in our society today!

gallag

alastair wrote: »

You haven't actually presented a muslim forum that holds majority views that western people would find abhorrent. Just saying.

But I did!
http://www.ummah.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?10-Ummah-Lounge

Timberrrrrrrr

gallag wrote: »

No, but I can show you that the majority of the ones online do, is that not good enough? and if not why do you think the moderates are so overwhelmingly under represented? is it just a coincidence that most Muslim's that go to muslim forums, boards or chat rooms seem to hold views that are abhorrent to western values?

How are you showing me the "majority of the ones"? You are showing what a few idiots on a forum think. Are you saying that the comments in AH are a positive reflection of Irish society?

K-9

gallag wrote: »

Ok then, find me a christian forum that holds majority views that most western people would find abhorrent.

Not sure about Christian but there was stormfront and I'm sure things like the BNP and the EDL would hardly be complimentary about Islam and Muslims in general!

Probably a few diehard Republican and Loyalist sites that took to kindly to visitors of the wrong faith!

AlekSmart

gallag wrote: »

Show me! I can find you lots of threads full of muslim hoping they get a chance to be part of the mass slaughter of the Jews and kaffir. Where are these Christians hoping to commit mass murder? Most of them believe they will just peacefully float off into the sky leaving the murdering behind, did you read any of the large Islam forum yet? Can you not see a fundamental difference with modern Christians and Muslims?

It's probably just as well the Internet did'nt exist in the 15th/16th Centuries or they'd have been reading tales of Christian Crusades against the unbelievers too.

Its disturbingly obvious that large chunks of modern Islam appears to be smack bang in the middle of what they believe to be theirCrusade.

The pertinient point for me is,back in the 1500's knowledge,for the average person,was very difficult to accquire and jealously guarded,which allowed the more flamboyant Lunatics to hold sway over local populations.

Today however,knowledge,on almost every topic, is freely available to anybody with the hunger to accquire it,which one might think would reduce the power of the Loonies....it certainly has in Christian sectors,but strangely,it appears to have had the opposite effect in Islamic circles.

So,it's looking as if,rather than maturing and developing,over the intervening 500 years as Christianity has,mainstream Islam has remained firmly rooted in a combatitive and violent past.

Education,particularly exposure to modernity,can only serve to dilute the nuttier aspects of,what appears to be mainstream Islam,as it has done with Catholicism for example.

Which may give a better understanding of why Dr.Selim might wish to keep this Western Educational Modernity from influencing his flock ?

K-9

AlekSmart wrote: »

And contributing to a thread on a slightly broader perspective.......the requirement for non-Islamic administrations to "accomodate" Islamic mores.

I actually feel this Australian case merits a thread of its own....(Mods perhaps ?)

We already have 2 threads on asylum and refugees which often are linked to concerns about immigration and Islam. This thread is fine, we don't want to get over run with immigration threads, now do we?

3 threads is enough for everybody's pro and anti immigration needs!

eyescreamcone

Religious fundamentalism is a major threat to our way of life.

Our Catholic Taliban-lite regime ruled here for ages and we are only now ready to shake their shackles.

We need to take all religions out of the schools immediately.

Only by doing this can we prevent Muslims blocking the integration of their children into the general Irish community, by opening their own schools.

Muslim schools are the first step to fundamentalism and radicalism.
Integration is the best method of reducing the influence of the nutjobs.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

But I did!
http://www.ummah.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?10-Ummah-Lounge

'Fraid not. The majority of views there are pretty unremarkable.

gallag

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How are you showing me the "majority of the ones"? You are showing what a few idiots on a forum think. Are you saying that the comments in AH are a positive reflection of Irish society?

I am showing you most Muslim's on most muslim boards hold these views, answer my questions please, why are the more extreme view's so over represented in the online muslim community? where are the moderates? and yes reading AH would tell you a lot about wider irish society, for example if I posted that thread I linked from that muslim forum about 60 ways to keep your man happy I would soon learn by the replys that women had a lot more respect and equality in irish society!

gallag

alastair wrote: »

'Fraid not. The majority of views there are pretty unremarkable.

How did you read it so quick? two days I spent reading it to form my opinion!

alastair

gallag wrote: »

I am showing you most Muslim's on most muslim boards hold these views

Except, you're not.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

How did you read it so quick? two days I spent reading it to form my opinion!

I scanned it. A majority of abhorrent views should be easy enough to discern. If it took two days to form a judgement, it doesn't sound like you found any sort of majority of those views either.

gallag

alastair wrote: »

I scanned it. A majority of abhorrent views should be easy enough to discern. If it took two days to form a judgement, it doesn't sound like you found any sort of majority of those views either.

So in your world scanning it will form a more reasonable view than reading it in depth? what about the threads I have already linked?

Timberrrrrrrr

gallag wrote: »

So in your world scanning it will form a more reasonable view than reading it in depth? what about the threads I have already linked?

According to you the majority of posters are posting radical views. A scan of the site and randomly clicking into threads and posts shows this to be untrue. I have opened about 40 posts and have come across one that i would consider to be meh at best.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

So in your world scanning it will form a more reasonable view than reading it in depth? what about the threads I have already linked?

Scanning it for 'a majority of abhorrent views' should be more sufficient. If you're arguing that filtering through, seeking out a minority of posts that you don't like equates to a majority view of that forum/community, then you're being disingenuous.

gallag

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

According to you the majority of posters are posting radical views. A scan of the site and randomly clicking into threads and posts shows this to be untrue. I have opened about 40 posts and have come across one that i would consider to be meh at best.

then you and alastair are not doing it right! I will try to explain, if I say "most people on that forum hold radical views" and you read it and only see threads about "what isp do you use" or "favourite brand of chocolate" then you have not disproved my assertion, you may have proved that most threads are not about a controversial topic but even if there are ten treads about "what oil for my car" what if there is one about "should people who leave our religion be executed" and most of the people who also posted in the mundane threads mostly agree that they should be executed then yes most people in that forum hold radical views, do you understand?

alastair

gallag wrote: »

then you and alastair are not doing it right! I will try to explain, if I say "most people on that forum hold radical views" and you read it and only see threads about "what isp do you use" or "favourite brand of chocolate" then you have not disproved my assertion, you may have proved that most threads are not about a controversial topic but even if there are ten treads about "what oil for my car" what if there is one about "should people who leave our religion be executed" and most of the people who also posted in the mundane threads mostly agree that they should be executed then yes most people in that forum hold radical views, do you understand?

Ah right. So, rather than reading abhorrent views into the actual content of the site, you've instead employed some manner of alternative measure? Where's this thread where the majority of posters on the forum agree with the execution of apostates?

Timberrrrrrrr

gallag wrote: »

then you and alastair are not doing it right! I will try to explain, if I say "most people on that forum hold radical views" and you read it and only see threads about "what isp do you use" or "favourite brand of chocolate" then you have not disproved my assertion, you may have proved that most threads are not about a controversial topic but even if there are ten treads about "what oil for my car" what if there is one about "should people who leave our religion be executed" and most of the people who also posted in the mundane threads mostly agree that they should be executed then yes most people in that forum hold radical views, do you understand?

So to save us a couple of days reading you should be able to easily point us to this thread where the majority of posters on that site post messages condoning the murder of all non Muslims.

gallag

alastair wrote: »

Ah right. So, rather than reading abhorrent views into the actual content of the site, you've instead employed some manner of alternative measure? Where's this thread where the majority of posters on the forum agree with the execution of apostates?

that was an example, here are a few threads that I feel show a majority of radical views

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?417642-Reporting-Muslim-children-and-family-to-the-Home-Office
someone asking if a muslim family who smuggled children into the country should be reported, more say no with reasoning like
"You're thinking of betrying muslims and breaking up a muslim family, and possibly sending the children to be raised by kuffar? breaking the laws of Allah is more desirable to you than breaking kaafir laws?

And you think anyone here would approve of that? itaqillah and mind your own business."

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?417660-BREAKING-NEWS-Raqqa-Under-Bombardment-by-US-5-Arab-States

interesting that the majority of Muslims in this thread are against airstikes on ISIS targets, a lot of anti West views espoused also.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?407106-Refuting-the-Why-arent-the-mujahideen-fighting-the-jews-logic&highlight=apostates

more trash

http://www.ummah.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4471750

most would see apostates killed.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?400143-Why-it-is-correct-to-kill-apostates-in-islam&highlight=apostates

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?322593-Ofcourse-Apostates-Should-be-Killed&highlight=apostates

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Muslims have no intention of integration, they are pretty clear about it! they mostly hate non Muslims and all believe that the day will come where Allah will come back and lead them to murder all Jews and non believers.

A rather silly sectarian generalisation.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

that was an example, here are a few threads that I feel show a majority of radical views

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?417642-Reporting-Muslim-children-and-family-to-the-Home-Office
someone asking if a muslim family who smuggled children into the country should be reported, more say no with reasoning like
"You're thinking of betrying muslims and breaking up a muslim family, and possibly sending the children to be raised by kuffar? breaking the laws of Allah is more desirable to you than breaking kaafir laws?

And you think anyone here would approve of that? itaqillah and mind your own business."

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?417660-BREAKING-NEWS-Raqqa-Under-Bombardment-by-US-5-Arab-States

interesting that the majority of Muslims in this thread are against airstikes on ISIS targets, a lot of anti West views espoused also.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?407106-Refuting-the-Why-arent-the-mujahideen-fighting-the-jews-logic&highlight=apostates

more trash

http://www.ummah.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4471750

most would see apostates killed.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?400143-Why-it-is-correct-to-kill-apostates-in-islam&highlight=apostates

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?322593-Ofcourse-Apostates-Should-be-Killed&highlight=apostates

Again - no evidence of a majority view in any of those. As I say - you're filtering through looking for posts that are objectionable, and ignoring the fact that they represent only a small minority on that forum (let alone the entire religion).

btw- I suspect that if you asked an Irish forum what you should do about an Irish illegal immigrant / non-documented family in the US, you wouldn't get too many advocates of reporting them to the authorities.

gallag

alastair wrote: »

Again - no evidence of a majority view in any of those. As I say - you're filtering through looking for posts that are objectionable, and ignoring the fact that they represent only a small minority on that forum (let alone the entire religion).

btw- I suspect that if you asked an Irish forum what you should do about an Irish illegal immigrant / non-documented family in the US, you wouldn't get too many advocates of reporting them to the authorities.

man, you don't seem to get it, ill try and explain again, I said that the majority of people on that forum had views that we in the west could not reconcile, I did not say most threads are radical, again say nine out of ten threads are about favourite ice cream flavour etc and one out ten was about how to deal with apostates now say that the majority of people who replied to the ice cream threads also posted in the apostates thread that they believed the punishment for changing religion should be death then would you not agree that most people on that forum had radical views? If storm front had more fluff threads about favourite ice cream or Internet provider than "I hate black people" would you argue that the site was not mostly an intolerant sh1t hole?

also, did you not read my post correctly? Your analogy makes no sense, it wasn't just an illegal family, they smuggled children that were not theirs into the UK, and most were against reporting incase the children went to infidels ffs I would imagine most irish people would have a problem with that!

FreudianSlippers

gallag wrote: »

Can you find me any online conversations happening showing Christians relishing the prospect of murdering the non believers? what if the bible also has some ridiculous nonsense in it, the Christians are not as hard core with taking all this crap literally, at least not in the last few decades.

3 words: westboro baptist church.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

man, you don't seem to get it,

Oh, I get it alright,.

gallag wrote: »

ill try and explain again, I said that the majority of people on that forum had views that we in the west could not reconcile,

Actually you said that:

most Muslim's on the site relish the prospect of killing the non believers

and that they held

majority views that most western people would find abhorrent

Now - you've certainly not demonstrated that in your presentation of the threads on that forum. Which tbh - isn't very surprising.

gallag wrote: »

I did not say most threads are radical, again say nine out of ten threads are about favourite ice cream flavour etc and one out ten was about how to deal with apostates now say that the majority of people who replied to the ice cream threads also posted in the apostates thread that they believed the punishment for changing religion should be death then would you not agree that most people on that forum had radical views?

Ice cream aside, you haven't shown that any sort of majority on that forum favour death for apostates. You've shown that a few posters within a much larger cohort of forum poster believe so, and that this, in the broader community of muslims, becomes a much smaller minority. If you want to prove a point that this forum has a minority of bigoted posters, then job well done, but you didn't have to venture far to find the same sort of minority bigotry evident in forums, populated with a majority who don't share those views.

gallag wrote: »

If storm front had more fluff threads about favourite ice cream or Internet provider than "I hate black people" would you argue that the site was not mostly an intolerant sh1t hole?

If my auntie was a man, she'd be my uncle. You've linked to a forum that reflects a group with very little interest in the sort of abhorrent views you claimed.

gallag wrote: »

also, did you not read my post correctly? Your analogy makes no sense, it wasn't just an illegal family, they smuggled children that were not theirs into the UK, and most were against reporting incase the children went to infidels ffs I would imagine most irish people would have a problem with that!

The post made clear the children were family members. Most posters were not against reporting in case they were taken into non-muslim care - there was one singular poster raised that as a concern. One. :rolleyes:

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

A rather silly sectarian generalisation.

Ok, a billion Muslims and it's impossible to find a Islam based forum where the general consensus is its good to integrate? Here ill do the leg work for you!

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?11030-quot-moderates-quot-trying-to-make-it-look-as-if-islam-can-integrate-into-the-west&highlight=integrate

"Islam is a complete way of life and a perfect system. Why should it try to integrate into something which is imperfect and speaks for itself that it isnt working. There is no compromise is our deen, the truth never needs to compromise.

Islam cannot integrate with the west, islam is a fundimentally opossed to most things western."



"It should be the morally corrupt west that should integrate with Islam!"



"It's your call sitar, if you want to make the priciples of the kuffar your primary principles and sharia your secondary principle then don't preach this as islam becasue this is NOT islam. Islam is simple and starightforward but when muslims get fooled by the kuffar propaganda they start portaryaing things which are completley against islam as islam.

And what is this about hating the west and still living there? This argument seems to be used by kuffar more and more recently. There ar so many answers to this where do you even want me to start. Heres a few

1:Where do you want us to migrate to, there is no khilafah inn the world today

2: for those that are plannign migration somewhere, it's not a simple matter that you pack your bags and leave all your family here, it needs time and planning and for all you know the person you criticise could be in the process of planning and preparing for migration.

3: Live here to detroy the west from within, no doubt there are many muslims doing this

4: work here and avoid taxes as much as you can and send as much money as u can to mujahideen, becasue the money here as far greaer value than the rupees and dinars of muslim lands

5: Do dawah to the kuffar"

British Muslims Declare They Will Never Integ…: http://youtu.be/bOJeaoZOC5s

Merkel says German multicultural society has failed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

The Horrific Muslim Infiltration Of Britain - Lut…: http://youtu.be/psZBaJU_Cvo

Rotherham, the systematic, racist grooming and rape of 1400+ children

Lee Rigby beheading

more muslims have joined Isis than the british army!

The Horrific Muslim Infiltration Of Britain - Lut…: http://youtu.be/psZBaJU_Cvo

'Muslims won't win against the West': http://youtu.be/YgNPaL9CllI

A Message to President Obama from a former Muslim: http://youtu.be/QxzOVSMUrGM

British Muslims Want To Take Over UK: http://youtu.be/9lYzrTBdoE0

Muslims Rioting in France: http://youtu.be/oDrgSTiBY2k

sweden riots 2013 muslims attack police: http://youtu.be/uLE_yGMBdUc

Young German girl stands against radical muslims …: http://youtu.be/RJF2PzWZQeg

Islamic Rape Wave in Norway / Islamsk Voldtekt Ep…: http://youtu.be/xoiCYwoJKrE

Muslim Gangs Drug & Rape Children All Over The UK…: http://youtu.be/bD0YEtuacUk

the list could go on and on, muslims will not integrate with the west. I could post 100 articles, videos or news reports for every positive reason for muslim integration with the west, can you even find one?

gallag

alastair wrote: »

Oh, I get it alright,.


Actually you said that: and that they held
Now - you've certainly not demonstrated that in your presentation of the threads on that forum. Which tbh - isn't very surprising.


Ice cream aside, you haven't shown that any sort of majority on that forum favour death for apostates. You've shown that a few posters within a much larger cohort of forum poster believe so, and that this, in the broader community of muslims, becomes a much smaller minority. If you want to prove a point that this forum has a minority of bigoted posters, then job well done, but you didn't have to venture far to find the same sort of minority bigotry evident in forums, populated with a majority who don't share those views.


If my auntie was a man, she'd be my uncle. You've linked to a forum that reflects a group with very little interest in the sort of abhorrent views you claimed.



The post made clear the children were family members. Most posters were not against reporting in case they were taken into non-muslim care - there was one singular poster raised that as a concern. One. :rolleyes:

I shall not convince you, I posted several threads showing truly warped opinions, I just hope a few people will go online and read the muslim based forums and make up there own minds, I found it enlightening.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

I shall not convince you, I posted several threads showing truly warped opinions, I just hope a few people will go online and read the muslim based forums and make up there own minds, I found it enlightening.

I'd have said you found it rather more confusing than enlightening, because you managed to come away completely misrepresenting the place.

And in terms of muslims will never integrate into the west? Doesn't tally in my experience. Worked for a muslim boss for a few years, worked with muslim co-workers. Not a sniff of anyone trying to behead me, rape anyone in the workplace, or sign up for jihad anywhere. Very much a let-down on the whole hate-the-kuffar front.

gallag

alastair wrote: »

I'd have said you found it rather more confusing than enlightening, because you managed to come away completely misrepresenting the place.

That's your opinion, you skimmed it, I joined the forum and spent days reading it, posts with complete contempt for the west and hate for the infidels go unchallenged, I again only hope people spend a bit of time and read a few of the large popular muslim based forums and gain a bit of insight, no point you or I trying to convince them when they can read themselves!

Timberrrrrrrr

gallag wrote: »

I shall not convince you, I posted several threads showing truly warped opinions, I just hope a few people will go online and read the muslim based forums and make up there own minds, I found it enlightening.

Of a tiny minority.

I was talking to one my Muslim friends a few minutes ago and mentioned what you said earlier about him and all other Muslims wanting to kill me. He left my home 10 minutes later still laughing. If nothing else you made a loving family guy very happy tonight.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Ok, a billion Muslims and it's impossible to find a Islam based forum where the general consensus is its good to integrate? Here ill do the leg work for you!

.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?11030-quot-moderates-quot-trying-to-make-it-look-as-if-islam-can-integrate-into-the-west&highlight=integrate

Alastair has already discounted and debunked all that.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

That's your opinion, you skimmed it, I joined the forum and spent days reading it, posts with complete contempt for the west and hate for the infidels go unchallenged, I again only hope people spend a bit of time and read a few of the large popular muslim based forums and gain a bit of insight, no point you or I trying to convince them when they can read themselves!

It's not my opinion. You misrepresented it - and you were caught out misrepresenting it. That's not a subjective call - it's a fact.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

That's your opinion, you skimmed it, I joined the forum and spent days reading it, posts with complete contempt for the west and hate for the infidels go unchallenged, I again only hope people spend a bit of time and read a few of the large popular muslim based forums and gain a bit of insight, no point you or I trying to convince them when they can read themselves!

"This study is just one of several recent studies that have consistently found that Muslims in Britain express a stronger sense of belonging in Britain than their compatriots. Consider the following examples:
• 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public.
• 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do.
• 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians.
• 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to 63% of non-Muslim Britons.
• 90% of Pakistanis feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain compared to 84% of white people."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/jul/03/muslims-integrated-Britain

I'd suggest you went looking for what you wanted to find and found it.

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

"This study is just one of several recent studies that have consistently found that Muslims in Britain express a stronger sense of belonging in Britain than their compatriots. Consider the following examples:
• 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public.
• 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do.
• 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians.
• 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to 63% of non-Muslim Britons.
• 90% of Pakistanis feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain compared to 84% of white people."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/jul/03/muslims-integrated-Britain

I'd suggest you went looking for what you wanted to find and found it.

Ok, using that very same poll please tell the class how many british muslims believe that if someone leaves their religion should have there head cut off?

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

Alastair has already discounted and debunked all that.

he did? All of it?

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

Ok, using that very same poll please tell the class how many british muslims believe that if someone leaves their religion should have there head cut off?

It makes no mention. Are you going to address the points it does make?

masonchat

This documentary has opened my eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI it is long though at 138min

Nodin

masonchat wrote: »

This documentary has opened my eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI it is long though at 138min

One can skip to seeing its contributors to have a guess at its content - a motley collection of demagogues and islamophobes.

gallag

Nodin wrote: »

It makes no mention. Are you going to address the points it does make?

You are using figures from different polls, the demos one has a sample size of 42 muslims ffs.


36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s

alastair

gallag wrote: »

You are using figures from different polls, the demos one has a sample size of 42 muslims ffs.


36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s

Not a majority there then, either. In fact you've produced nothing so far that backs up your claims.

gallag

alastair wrote: »

Not a majority there then, either. In fact you've produced nothing so far that backs up your claims.

What are you talking about? where did I post that a majority of British muslims supported the death plenty for apostates? do you not find that a large minority of them do worrying?

masonchat

Nodin wrote: »

One can skip to seeing its contributors to have a guess at its content - a motley collection of demagogues and islamophobes.

Well you seem to know so much about it , you can watch it and tell me which parts are not true and why .

There is no doubt in my mind europe needs to take serious action , at the very least i would be squeezing our borders tighter than an ants hole.

Islam does not want to cohabit in peace with us infidels and unbelievers , you can see from all over europe the troubles they are having where large numbers are , that they are trying to inforce their laws and way of life.

And it needs to be stopped right now imho

Timberrrrrrrr

masonchat wrote: »

Well you seem to know so much about it , you can watch it and tell me which parts are not true and why .

There is no doubt in my mind europe needs to take serious action , at the very least i would be squeezing our borders tighter than an ants hole.

Islam does not want to cohabit in peace with us infidels and unbelievers , you can see from all over europe the troubles they are having where large numbers are , that they are trying to inforce their laws and way of life.

And it needs to be stopped right now imho

Another (incorrect) sweeping statement.

alastair

gallag wrote: »

What are you talking about? where did I post that a majority of British muslims supported the death plenty for apostates? do you not find that a large minority of them do worrying?

eh:

most Muslim's on the site relish the prospect of killing the non believers

If you're not going to keep track of your claims, it's hardly worthwhile making them, is it?

K-9

masonchat wrote: »

This documentary has opened my eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvCQbzPKiI it is long though at 138min

Mod: Posting video content without a summary in your own words is against the charter. It's totally unreasonable to expect somebody to watch a video over 2 hours!

gallag wrote: »

You are using figures from different polls, the demos one has a sample size of 42 muslims ffs.


36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s

Can we get back on topic, a sample size of 42 Muslims on a UK internet forum isn't it!

gallag

K-9 wrote: »

Mod: Posting video content without a summary in your own words is against the charter. It's totally unreasonable to expect somebody to watch a video over 2 hours!



Can we get back on topic, a sample size of 42 Muslims on a UK internet forum isn't it!

It was Nodin that posted the results of a poll that asked 42 muslims, I was pointing out to him that that was to small a sample size, I am glad we agree.

masonchat

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Another (incorrect) sweeping statement.

If you believe in islam then you believe in fighting ( putting it mildly) until there are no more non believers or that they live beneath you as second class citizens and pay the tax.

That video i posted explains that and much much more about islam, the fact that the earlier teachings were peaceful as he did not yet have enough political power/money/followers but as he gained them , it became by the sword , if you follow islam you follow this unless there was a second edition that we havent seen.

Some may choose to not take it literally but id imagine they are the ones living in countries where they are the minority and as the islamic population seems to grow much faster i do not like where the future is heading .

You may say this is off topic, i dont think it is too far off topic , the scenes across europe are very worring at the moment.

If europe was 50% islam at the moment , would we be living in peace ? i dont think so.

Does that make me an islamaphobe ? maybe , maybe i have good reason to be

AlekSmart

gallag wrote: »

That's two different things! I never said that the majority of British muslims supported the death penalty for apostates, not once, I did say that the majority of Muslims on the thread http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?414761-hadith-on-jews-tree were looking forward to killing the Jews and non believers! Please stop mmisquoting me.

After a certain point the nit-picking ends up causing a disconnect and flight to the Chess forum....:)

I don't play Chess or Cricket so I head for Anjem's hooch....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/25/the-imam-who-recently-told-sean-hannity-sharia-will-be-implemented-in-america-is-arrested-in-terror-raid/

He a gas character altogether,obiously FULLY committed to the notion of World Dominance :eek:....thankfully he's not representative of any significant number of Islam's followers.....right ?

Here's another Anjem Chaudry quotation from 2005 showing how he really loves "The Irish" as a fun lovin,easy goin race who just love "The Craic"....

"If you allow Ireland to be used to refuel US warplanes which are going on bombing raids, what do you expect the reaction of the Muslim world to be? This is not neutrality. It is better for the Muslim world to tell you this reality, so we can change this situation, and to make sure what is taking place in other countries will not happen here in Ireland."

Hard to know really ...?

Timberrrrrrrr

gallag wrote: »

That's two different things! I never said that the majority of British muslims supported the death penalty for apostates, not once, I did say that the majority of Muslims on the thread http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?414761-hadith-on-jews-tree were looking forward to killing the Jews and non believers! Please stop mmisquoting me.

Utter Bull**** yet again

That thread has 42 posts

15 people posted in that thread

3 said things along the lines of what you describe, only ONE says something along the lines of he is looking forward to killing Jews

Re: hadith on jews tree?
We (Muslims) loves all the ayah of quran and all the sahih hadiths and we accept it from the bottom of our hearts.
If I am alive at that time than I would want to be among the Muslims who kills the jews. Would be a happy day for the Muslims and for the humanity.

So in actual fact ONE person out of 15 makes one kinda extreme radical post, And you expect us to believe your other "stats" :rolleyes: