Mustang 2015

SuperO'B

Really would like to pick up a new mustang next year. Does anyone have any details on suggested pricing or release date for these?

I believe they are only being sold at certain Ford Dealers as well. Out of the country at the moment so don't want to ring and can't seem to find anything online.

I'd be interested to see the mpg for the 2.3 ecoboost engine and see would it deliver decent enough performance while still not being M3 bad at the pumps.

goz83

The basic mustang is only around $1000 more expensive than the mondeo, or whatever they call it there, so I should hope that starting prices are in around the high twenties to thirty mark. We shall see though :mad:

Jesus.

SuperO'B wrote: »

I'd be interested to see the mpg for the 2.3 ecoboost engine and see would it deliver decent enough performance

SuperO'B

goz83 wrote: »

The basic mustang is only around $1000 more expensive than the mondeo, or whatever they call it there, so I should hope that starting prices are in around the high twenties to thirty mark. We shall see though :mad:

I found one article saying approx €45k and another saying >€50k

I'd guess >€40k but would love to see it around €35k. The 2.3 gets approx 305bhp so nice to see if they can hit 35mpg at that. Might be a tall ask.

I'm waiting for the 'mustang has to be a V8' brigade to wade in also but if you don't own a Mustang V8 already then please reserve judgement. I'm more than happy to take abuse off of someone with a 5.0 V8 on the matter! I think it's a beautiful looking car inside and out and 305hp is plenty for me regardless if it's 8,6 or 4 pot.

Leonard Hofstadter

The reviews are coming in, and already it is clear which is the correct model to go for - the one with the proper engine obviously!

Even What Car?, a magazine renowned for telling people to buy poverty spec low power cars, says and I quote that the one with the wrong number of cylinders "feels like a bit of a show pony" and to buy the one with a proper muscle car engine (that would be the V8 for those who are wondering).

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/ford/mustang/2015-ford-mustang-review/1313913

Other, less conservative, magazines say the same thing, unsurprisingly.

Admittedly, it's a moot point in Ireland, the V8 is probably going to be over 225 g/km so will be in the top rate of tax (€2400 ish I think it is now), but let's be clear about one thing - the four cylinder is only an imitation muscle car - the V8 is the real deal.

Incidentally, despite all the fuss about the four banger being an economical alternative, it only did 5 mpg better in the real world than the proper engine according to What Car's tests. And of course, the V8 is naturally aspirated as well.

Even in Ireland it's hard to make a case for the V8 because the motor tax will be astronomical and it will lose value at the speed of light as a consequence of this, but in any other, sane, country, there is no contest despite all the claims that the four cylinder will still give the muscle car experience - the loud, low revving burble of a V8 is half the appeal of such a car in the first place.

What do you drive captainspeed?

Eric Cartman

The 2.3 just doesnt sound or feel right for a muscle car. They may sell better on the forecourt, but come resale time the V8 will still be infinitely more attractive.

If tax brackets are your thing , don't buy a muscle car. Simples.

- and before the above posters start, already own a V8 , 1809 tax bothers me not.

Alanstrainor

What ever engine it has, it looks awesome. I'd drive the 2.3....but obviously would prefer a nice big V8. Although even I would feel sick to my stomach with that much tax to pay. (Currently paying over a grand in tax...)

SuperO'B

Alanstrainor wrote: »

What ever engine it has, it looks awesome. I'd drive the 2.3....but obviously would prefer a nice big V8. Although even I would feel sick to my stomach with that much tax to pay. (Currently paying over a grand in tax...)

Just rekindling an old one here..

I agree, the 2.3 reviews say it's good to drive. Obviously it's not as smooth as a 5.0 V8 but still has 310bhp. If BHP was an issue then I am sure there are adjustments that can be made to up the power from 310. I'm not sure what the difference in pricing will be for the two sizes. Has anybody any information about the pricing structure for these when released? I'd be keen to get some bit of an official pricing.

Jesus.

Rekindled 3 hours ago yet still open. I rekindle one and its shut down within five minutes!

antodeco

In fairness Jesus, you do have a habit of disappearing for 3 days and then wandering back like nothing happened

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

Rekindled 3 hours ago yet still open. I rekindle one and its shut down within five minutes!

This thread is only four months old, the thread you resurrected was more than five years old!

Jesus.

captainspeed wrote: »

This thread is only four months old, the thread you resurrected was more than five years old!

Well, resurrection is my business

SuperO'B

Wow, some good inputs on the thread their guys :-D ;-D

I brought the thread back up as I believe it could be relative with the release date of the car getting closer so perhaps someone would have some better info than last time on prices etc.

R.O.R

SuperO'B wrote: »

Wow, some good inputs on the thread their guys :-D ;-D

I brought the thread back up as I believe it could be relative with the release date of the car getting closer so perhaps someone would have some better info than last time on prices etc.

I was told by Ford to expect info around Christmas as I've 2 customers very interested. Nothing through yet, so I'll chase in the morning when I'm back in the office.

noelf

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R.O.R wrote: »

I was told by Ford to expect info around Christmas as I've 2 customers very interested. Nothing through yet, so I'll chase in the morning when I'm back in the office.

September 2015 for UK sales whatcar.com ..

Topper Harley

In an ideal world if I was getting a Mustang I'd love a V8 but realistically the 2.3L EcoBoost is the one I'd likely be opting for. But even the 2.3 will supposedly do 0-60mph in 5.4 seconds which is pretty good.

I know Mustang enthusiast's sentiment is that without a V8 it's not worthwhile but we're not in 1960's America and the latest model shows that Ford are trying to adapt it for modern global markets while also having an option available for the true enthusiast. And considering the variety of options available in some of the alternatives such as the 3 series coupe, they need options like these if they want a share of that market. And I imagine they need to break into the European market if they're to keep the Mustang alive as I noticed in America recently there seemed to be much more Camaros and Challengers than Mustangs.

Now let's just wait to see how long it takes them to bring out a 1.6L TDCI. :P

Cleveland Hot Pocket

The original mustang was available with a range of engines, from a 6 cylinder to a range of v8s, 289ci to 429ci.
No diffrent now. Cheap and economical or powerful and great sounding v8, purchasers can choose.

I know which I'd have, but then again I can't buy one right now!

SuperO'B

R.O.R wrote: »

I was told by Ford to expect info around Christmas as I've 2 customers very interested. Nothing through yet, so I'll chase in the morning when I'm back in the office.

That'd be great if you could get any info on it. I agree with the two last posts as well. Great if you can afford a 5.0 V8 but I'd be more than happy with the 2.3T as well given the option between no mustang or else a 2.3 310hp.

Henry Ford III

Seems the 2.3T isn't very economical, but with over 300bhp it was never going to be realistically.

The dissapointing thing is it's C02 stats. These will push the taxes way up meaning the car will be expensive to buy and run.

hi5

The 2.3 is estimated to be 195g/kg so that will put it into €1200 per year tax, still almost half what the 5.0 will be though.

TBi

Topper Harley wrote: »

Now let's just wait to see how long it takes them to bring out a 1.6L TDCI. :P

No way they'd bring out a 1.6TDCI... would be too slow. Now a 1.6 BiTurbo BiTDCI would be perfect. Maybe a triple so you'd get the offbeat thrum to mimick the V6.

listermint

hi5 wrote: »

The 2.3 is estimated to be 195g/kg so that will put it into €1200 per year tax, still almost half what the 5.0 will be though.

Alot cheaper than 1811 on E46 M3 :P

Topper Harley

TBi wrote: »

No way they'd bring out a 1.6TDCI... would be too slow. Now a 1.6 BiTurbo BiTDCI would be perfect. Maybe a triple so you'd get the offbeat thrum to mimick the V6.

Wrong, after the 1.6L TDCI they'll be working on a 3 cylinder 1.2L TDCI. :P

Muahahaha

Thread is in bad need of pics to get my tongue hanging out with WANT!

Topper Harley

Muahahaha

WANT!!!

You legend Topper

R.O.R

SuperO'B wrote: »

That'd be great if you could get any info on it. I agree with the two last posts as well. Great if you can afford a 5.0 V8 but I'd be more than happy with the 2.3T as well given the option between no mustang or else a 2.3 310hp.

Mustang specialist in Ford Ireland is out until Monday. Hopefully get some info I can share then.

SuperO'B

R.O.R wrote: »

Mustang specialist in Ford Ireland is out until Monday. Hopefully get some info I can share then.

That'd be great, thanks a lot for that.

cena

Is there a price on these yet for Ireland?

R.O.R

SuperO'B wrote: »

That'd be great, thanks a lot for that.

European embargo on information release until the middle of next week, but info should be loaded up to the Ford website as soon as it's available.

Check Ford.ie for info next Wednesday / Thursday and hopefully there will be something there.

Henry Ford III

I suspect they'll be pricey enough.

A Focus ST2 is touching €40k new so a 2.3T 305bhp Mustang must surely be a fair bit north of that again?

Voodoomelon

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the 2.3T in the slightest, look at the way things are going regarding turbocharging and combined electric and small block models.

305bp and 0-100kph in 5.9 seconds is great performance for any car, let alone one of this size and weight.

It's not as if they've put a 200-220bhp turbo charged 1.6 in there. The only reason it seems slightly lacking is because it's constantly compared to the V8.

As a standalone car, i'd have one in a second. Lets not forget that 99% of people out there don't even know what a V8 is and lets face it, this car is a showpiece.
The 2.3T will get the knickers off just as quick.

TBi

It would be nice if they put a cross plane crank on it to give it the V8 burble while still being an i4. Would be great.

Like in the Yamaha R1.

SuperO'B

R.O.R wrote: »

European embargo on information release until the middle of next week, but info should be loaded up to the Ford website as soon as it's available.

Check Ford.ie for info next Wednesday / Thursday and hopefully there will be something there.

Thanks, appreciate it.

I agree with Voodoomelon, take the 2.3t as a standalone car outside of the V8 and it's got nice specs on it. Everyone would love a 5.0 V8 but to honest, I like the interior and exterior a lot and 310hp is loads.

Idbatterim

E2350 a year is the top rate of emissions motor tax! LOL and I though the E1809 was off the wall!

cena

Well the Eco mustang be cheap? Like less than 30,000

Big Nasty

cena wrote: »

Well the Eco mustang be cheap? Like less than 30,000

No

Cleveland Hot Pocket

We'll have to call it the "eco-stang":P

Dord

I'll wait for the 1.0T Ecoboost version. :P

Voodoomelon

Seems the 3.7 V6 has much the same 0-60 as the Ecoboost:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InNQ7kn3r2U

noelf

Idbatterim wrote: »

E2350 a year is the top rate of emissions motor tax! LOL and I though the E1809 was off the wall!

The golf R tax is only €570 a year plus 4 wheel drive with the same bhp as the mustang ........

SuperO'B

noelf wrote: »

The golf R tax is only €570 a year plus 4 wheel drive with the same bhp as the mustang ........

Ya thats fair enough if you really like Golfs and are torn between the two but there's more factors than just pure bhp. I'm sure they probably could've done more on the emissions front but that might've meant a smaller engine again.

What you reckon the depreciation difference would be on the two cars? I could see the Mustangs holding pretty ok if there aren't loads sold so maybe the golf would depreciate at more or even close to the difference in tax levels which would cancel out.

Crasp

noelf wrote: »

The golf R tax is only €570 a year plus 4 wheel drive with the same bhp as the mustang ........

My granny drives a golf... not a Ford Mustang...

RedorDead

noelf wrote: »

The golf R tax is only €570 a year plus 4 wheel drive with the same bhp as the mustang ........

V6 power delivery vs 4 cylinder power delivery though. Only one winner there Tax isnt everything. Also - granny comment:D

Jesus.

RedorDead wrote: »

V6 power delivery vs 4 cylinder power delivery though. Only one winner there

The ecoboost is a four pot

noelf

Crasp wrote: »

My granny drives a golf... not a Ford Mustang...

Your granny has great taste the mustang has been delayed for sale in Europe due to poor ride quality according to Autocar recently of the top 20 new cars on sale the golf R is in the number one spot .. but of course the mustang is a cool car

Big Nasty

Crasp wrote: »

My granny drives a golf... not a Ford Mustang...

Quote of the year so far for me!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

All references to v8 versus euro econo engine aside, I hope this mustang is more closely alligned to the most recent outgoing model and the original 'stangs from the 60's and early 70's - than the crappy fox body mustang of the 80's-90's

noelf

Crasp wrote: »

My granny drives a golf... not a Ford Mustang...

Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015 .. and it has beaten the Ford Mustang ..

Voodoomelon

When are prices being announced for the Mustang?