Mustang 2015

listermint

noelf wrote: »

Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015 .. and it has beaten the Ford Mustang ..

Do you work for VW ?


jesus.....

noelf

listermint wrote: »

Do you work for VW ?


jesus.....

No ..

noelf

listermint wrote: »

Do you work for VW ?


jesus.....

No .. http://Europe.autonews.com

Boskowski

I had the previous model for two weeks about a year and a half ago when visiting the US. It was the basic model not even the GT and while it looked really nice and was a nice summer ride (open top) it wasn't much of a sports car or even a sporty car. The one thing that I still remember though was how you got a projection of the mustang logo onto the tarmac when you opened the doors at night. Right into that space where you enter the car. There were little projectors built into the rear view mirrors, cheap enough gimmick I guess but it really appealed to the little boy in me.

Topper Harley

Boskowski wrote: »

I had the previous model for two weeks about a year and a half ago when visiting the US. It was the basic model not even the GT and while it looked really nice and was a nice summer ride (open top) it wasn't much of a sports car or even a sporty car. The one thing that I still remember though was how you got a projection of the mustang logo onto the tarmac when you opened the doors at night. Right into that space where you enter the car. There were little projectors built into the rear view mirrors, cheap enough gimmick I guess but it really appealed to the little boy in me.

This is such another aspect of the Mustang. Deep down, I just want to drive around in one, dreaming I'm a modern day Steve McQueen in a car chase through the streets of San Francisco. :cool: (I'm sure I'm not the only one). You just don't get that with a Golf. :P

Henry Ford III

The new car should be miles better - an independent rear suspension plus rhd for starts.

Crasp

noelf wrote: »

Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015 .. and it has beaten the Ford Mustang ..

I was all set to buy an MP4-12C but now I am sold on the golf...

I can't wait to drive to the shops and watch everyone's head turn as them exclaim "WOW, a volkswagen golf!"

Eric Cartman

noelf wrote: »

No .. http://Europe.autonews.com

golf won in the hatchback and small car category.

If you would like to scroll down to top ranked affordable sports cars here :

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/

i think youll find the results are a little off.

Jesus.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

golf won in the hatchback and small car category.

I thought it a bit strange that the Yanks would vote such a small car as car of the year

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Jesus. wrote: »

I thought it a bit strange that the Yanks would vote such a small car as car of the year

In the small car category?

Eric Cartman

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

In the small car category?

The user presenting that earlier made it out to be an overall win, not just in the small car category

Viper_JB

I love them to look at but drove a brand new V6 last summer in the states for two weeks, found it to be pretty sluggish, not very responsive and very spongy suspension, was happy to get back to my own car after. They sound and look the business, just don't go like it, although with the new suspension maybe the 2015 will be better, just don't seem to match up in technology with their Japanese and European rivals, but I guess this has pretty much always been the case with them though.

Jesus.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

In the small car category?

Cleve, try and keep up

He said this: "Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015"

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Eric Cartman wrote: »

golf won in the hatchback and small car category.

If you would like to scroll down to top ranked affordable sports cars here :

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/

i think youll find the results are a little off.

Jesus. wrote: »

I thought it a bit strange that the Yanks would vote such a small car as car of the year

Jesus. wrote: »

Cleve, try and keep up

He said this: "Volkswagen Golf American car of the year 2015"

I am....:o

Jesus.

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I am....:o

You're not! You ain't gone back far enough

Jesus.

Viper_JB wrote: »

was happy to get back to my own car after.

What's your car, Viper? Its not a Viper is it?

Viper_JB

Jesus. wrote: »

What's your car, Viper? Its not a Viper is it?

LOL it's like my dream car from a looks perspective but no, BMW 535.

SuperO'B

I also rented the V6 for 2 weeks last year and wasn't blown away by the engine. The reviews have the 2015 as quite an improvement though I still want one :-)

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Lads in most cases the v6 versions of US sedans are economy versions, used mostly by rental companies/fleets etc
Not many people in the US will drive diesel cars so they use v6 sedans, hybrids, etc as econocars.
You need to get the v8 versions for the proper experience.
It's like saying all bmw diesels are crap after driving only a 518d and not the 535d/m550d

Ardent

I don't have anything significant to add to the thread, but I love this car. I guess I always wanted one after seeing Bullitt.

About 4 years ago I booked one to drive from Vancouver to Seattle. Arrived 15 minutes late to pick it up, someone else snapped it up and I ended up with a Volvo. A big regret in my life.

You wouldn't say that about a VW Golf, would you?

Viper_JB

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Lads in most cases the v6 versions of US sedans are economy versions, used mostly by rental companies/fleets etc
Not many people in the US will drive diesel cars so they use v6 sedans, hybrids, etc as econocars.
You need to get the v8 versions for the proper experience.
It's like saying all bmw diesels are crap after driving only a 518d and not the 535d/m550d

Big time the V6 is classed as the baby of the range the rental places don't seem to do anything much bigger then that though lots of convertibles though, guess it doesn't matter too much when you have like 10 kilometers of head room.

R.O.R

European Launch delayed until 20th Jan at the earliest, so still no news.

Hopefully something may be released on to Ford.ie tomorrow.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Was checking the website there every couple of days but no updates as of yet
That explains it.

Brasso

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/01/20/ford-exports-global-mustang/22028403/
Some new about the Mustang officially going global, but I'm having problems loading up the Mustang section on ford.ie, anyone else able to check it?

Chris_Heilong

With the price of the GT86 being 40k here and that is considered a cheap car in other countries I would say this will cost around 46k.

R.O.R

Brasso wrote: »

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/01/20/ford-exports-global-mustang/22028403/
Some new about the Mustang officially going global, but I'm having problems loading up the Mustang section on ford.ie, anyone else able to check it?

Hanging on Ford.ie for me too, but it's up on .co.uk to configure.

Hopefully Ford.ie will be sorted soon.

Leonard Hofstadter

The one with the wrong engine is £28,995 in the UK. The one with an engine worthy of the Mustang badge is £32,995, so only £4,000 more for a proper 'stang. So I suppose in the Irish context with VRT and so on that probably puts the four cylinder model at early 50s territory in Ireland and around 60k for the V8. Wonder will the Irish cars get the 19" wheels and the Xenon lights and all the fancy stuff the UK cars are getting?

EazyD

captainspeed wrote: »

The one with the wrong engine is £28,995 in the UK. The one with an engine worthy of the Mustang badge is £32,995, so only £4,000 more for a proper 'stang. So I suppose in the Irish context with VRT and so on that probably puts the four cylinder model at early 50s territory in Ireland and around 60k for the V8. Wonder will the Irish cars get the 19" wheels and the Xenon lights and all the fancy stuff the UK cars are getting?

How is an engine that pushes out over 300hp wrong?(no doubt cylinder count:/) Sure it's a change from its heritage but it now becomes accessible to more people.

Chris_Heilong

There is some info on the uk pricing here: http://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-new-ford-mustang-will-be-a-uk-steal-at-well-under-30k/

Leonard Hofstadter

EazyD wrote: »

How is an engine that pushes out over 300hp wrong?(no doubt cylinder count:/) Sure it's a change from its heritage but it now becomes accessible to more people.

Well if you want a badge then yes it's more accessible. But if you want a car instead then it's totally and utterly wrong that the 'stang has a four cylinder engine as standard - and I don't care how many horsepowers are under the bonnet, wrong is wrong is wrong. I mean you might as well put a diesel in it as put a four cylinder into it.

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

TBi

captainspeed wrote: »

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

I agree with you up to a point. No point senselessly wasting petrol just because it's cheap and causing more harm to the environment. I'd love to see a 4 cylinder mustang with cross plane crank. That would give you the sound of a V8 but the frugality of a turbo 4. Would be an interesting combination.

Big Nasty

As much as I like 'Stangs and big V8's there is very much a place for the 4-pot. Back in '64 when the Mustang was launched the base model was a 100hp 6-pot so there's nothing wrong with the 300hp 4-pot. Let's not forget that the Mustang to America is what the Escort was to Europe - an every day affordable car.

TBi

Big Nasty wrote: »

Let's not forget that the Mustang to America is what the Escort was to Europe - an every day affordable car.

You sure you don't mean the Capri?

Leonard Hofstadter

TBi wrote: »

I agree with you up to a point. No point senselessly wasting petrol just because it's cheap and causing more harm to the environment. I'd love to see a 4 cylinder mustang with cross plane crank. That would give you the sound of a V8 but the frugality of a turbo 4. Would be an interesting combination.

The cross plane is a necessity because as they said in the Argentinian special on TG recently, a V8 is imperfect. Either a cross plane or a flat plane (as in a Ferrari or a V8 Lotus Esprit) makes them run smooth enough. Closest thing a four cylinder could do to sound like a V8 is be a flat four like a Subaru but have the old design of manifold to give it the burble (where the exhaust ports on either side merge into one) of a cross plane V8 - but flat fours are mega expensive and they still won't sound like a V8 (apart from the burble).

I agree with you on fuel economy in the sense that there's no point in unnecessarily wasting fuel and clearly we don't want to go back to the days when V8s were pushrod engines with about 200 bhp from even as large as a 5.0 litre engine but equally V8s sound fantastic and are very much a part of the Mustang's pedigree and charm.

The other thing is, that despite the fact that the Ecoboost has all that technology and the V8 is quite antiquated - no direct injection, turbo etc, when some of the magazines tested it they got less than 5 mpg more out of it - which isn't a lot at all considering all the extra power and how much bigger and less sophisticated the V8 engine is.

A lot of these smaller engines are great for getting around the EU tests but aren't really any better in the real world. I notice when one looks at say the US fuel economy tests (which are representative of real world driving) the gap between a four cylinder engine and a six cylinder engine in the exact same make and model of car might only be 1 or 2 (US) mpg. But over here people think you're mad for going for the larger engined car because it will supposedly be all that much worse on fuel.

Henry Ford III

V8 purists

The 2.3T Ecoboost is a good engine regardless of what body it's in.

I'm looking forwaqrd to seeing it in A Focus RS with 4wd and 350+bhp.

Big Nasty

TBi wrote: »

You sure you don't mean the Capri?

The Capri was considered the European Mustang because it was a fastback sporty looking car. In reality the Stang was and still is as ordinary in the US as an Escort or a Focus in today's money.

Now of course you have performance Stangs like the GT350 / 500 or the Boss 302 / 429. It's European equivalent would have been an XR3i or a Focus ST now.

TBi

captainspeed wrote: »

Closest thing a four cylinder could do to sound like a V8 is be a flat four like a Subaru but have the old design of manifold to give it the burble (where the exhaust ports on either side merge into one) of a cross plane V8 - but flat fours are mega expensive and they still won't sound like a V8 (apart from the burble).

Yamaha released an R1 with a cross plane crank in a straight 4. Sounds fantastic. Look for it on YouTube.

noelf

From Autocar .. Mustang priced from £28995 available to order now convertible and fastback versions 6 speed auto and manual gearboxes . 2.3 has 310 bhp 0 to 60 in 5.5 seconds .. 5.0 v8 has 412 bhp 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds within 18 months v8 will be upgraded to 500 bhp first deliveries will be in the autumn ..

bear1

captainspeed wrote: »

Well if you want a badge then yes it's more accessible. But if you want a car instead then it's totally and utterly wrong that the 'stang has a four cylinder engine as standard - and I don't care how many horsepowers are under the bonnet, wrong is wrong is wrong. I mean you might as well put a diesel in it as put a four cylinder into it.

The Mustang is an iconic car with tons and tons of pedigree - and the big bellowing V8 is part and parcel of what makes a Mustang a Mustang. It's an American car after all - the country that's the land of the V8. All the videos of that car in movies, they're all of the car with that thundering V8 under the bonnet.

And in an era of cheap oil, suddenly the four cylinder is looking rather redundant - well outside of Europe and our never ending obsession with CO2 in some theoretical laboratory test anyway.

You need to realise that the V8 was made in a country with relatively cheap fuel?
The V8 may not sell as well in Europe as it will in the States just like a 1.2 Punto will sell well in Europe but badly in the US.
5.5 seconds to 100 is impressive in my opinion.
It is also not an era of cheap oil, yes for the past few months oil prices have come down but is petrol at year 2000 levels? No.
It's the government which is stopping this sort of car from being an appealing purchase. VRT and high fuel tax won't make it a seller here.
If we had at least fuel at 70c a litre then I think the V8 would be a good contender.
But.... we are forgetting road tax.
Ireland in general is not a motoring country (IMO) - the costs of anything remotely fun are too high.
If I had the money though I'd gladly get the 2.3 no matter how wrong it is.

RedorDead

From todays Irish Times Motoring Section

Ford has announced a UK price for the Mustang coupe which suggests that Irish models will be fighting right in the heart of the premium (largely German) coupe segment. The UK starting price of £28,995 for the 314hp 2.3-litre EcoBoost version would indicate that the Irish basic price should be in the region of €45,000 – that would put it soak up against the likes of the the Audi A5 and BMW 4 Series. Those cars can only offer a 2.0-litre diesel engine for that price though, with a power output of around 180hp and while those cars carry obvious tax advantages, they may not have the star power of the Mustang.

The Mustang will also be pretty well equipped compared to its German rivals. As standard it will have 19-inch wheels, a performance brake package, automatic HID xenon headlamps, LED tail lamps, and a rear diffuser. Further standard equipment includes dual-zone climate control, a nine-speaker sound system, and Ford’s SYNC 2 voice controlled infotainment system with an eight-inch colour touch screen.

“There’s never been a better time to introduce this iconic car across Europe. All-new Ford Mustang is the most modern, technologically advanced and forward-looking Mustang in the amazing history of the marque,” said Roelant de Waard, vice president, Marketing, Sales & Service, Ford of Europe. “Being able to specify a Mustang that reflects your individual character has always been a key part of the model’s appeal. With our new app, customers will be able to see exactly how the all-new Mustang could look outside their house, and as a part of their life.”

Ford says that the first 500 Mustangs offered to European customers as part of a promotional tie-in with the UEFA Champions’ League final in 2014 were snapped up in just 30 seconds, with almost 10,000 people trying to get them. One Mustang has already received a firm order in Ireland, but Ford Ireland expects to do considerably better than that once the car physically arrives here in the summer. Perhaps petrol prices have fallen at just the right time?

Wonder what Irish equipment and pricing will look like?

R.O.R

RedorDead wrote: »

Wonder what Irish equipment and pricing will look like?

Equipment is as per the UK specifications. Pricing held up for Ireland, but hoping to have it available before the weekend, and I've been sworn to secrecy on any further info.

Mc Love

The shelby gt350r like amazing

bear1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKLB09j1fo

Nice burble off of it.

bear1

Yeah, I loved the crap 1st to 2nd gear change.

Jesus.

LIGHTNING wrote: »

From what I read the 2.3 wasn't that far off the V8's consumption when its actual performance was utilised. So I really don't see the point of it in that case.

But that assumes you're going to be driving it at full pelt all the time.

Would that even be possible in Ireland without ending up in the sea?

Cleveland Hot Pocket

LIGHTNING wrote: »

From what I read the 2.3 wasn't that far off the V8's consumption when its actual performance was utilised. So I really don't see the point of it in that case.

EU lab tests for silly "emissions" in conditions that don't exist in the real world.

Viper_JB

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

EU lab tests for silly "emissions" in conditions that don't exist in the real world.

And from what I've read a lot of modern cars can tell when they're on a rolling road and will adjust emissions accordingly to match expected results.

Henry Ford III

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Just wait for the inevitable posts of "My mustang 2.3 is supposed to do 40mpg but I only get 15mpg, I should have got a V8 in that case"

A pure guess but I reckon a V8 might return c.20mpg, whilst burbling.

A 2.3T Ecoboost might return c.25mpg.

5 mpg difference, but 25% better at the same time.


p.s. I don't think fuel consumption is or should be too high a priority for an Irish Mustang owner. These are very rapid and sporty cars after all. The market for them will be small.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A pure guess but I reckon a V8 might return c.20mpg, whilst burbling.

A 2.3T Ecoboost might return c.25mpg.

5 mpg difference, but 25% better at the same time.


p.s. I don't think fuel consumption is or should be too high a priority for an Irish Mustang owner. These are very rapid and sporty cars after all. The market for them will be small.

But is that 5mpg worth taking a euro econo-engine over a nice lazy v8?
No.

R.O.R

How much more would you pay for the lazy V8 burble, over the EcoBoost whine?