Mustang 2015

Oafley Jones

Pugzilla wrote: »

Plenty of tractors and lorries manage fine on our tiny country roads so I don't buy the argument that it's too big.

Country road aren't the issue. It's our car parks that are the problem here. The size has remained pretty much static since the 80s and even cars are much much bigger. Trying to live with big American cars such as the tesla model s would be a pain in the balls in this country.

Big Nasty

The new model Mustang is quite a bit smaller than its predecessor. Most companies are making global models now so in a lot of cases the Ford you get in EU is the same as in the US, although they still tend to have bigger engines. Gone are the days of humongous cars in the States and tiny tin boxes in Europe.

ION08

Jesus, you'd swear this is the first time we're seeing a "big" car in this country.

What about all the people that drive 6 Series, Merc SL , S classes , 7 series, Audi Q7, VW Touareg etc etc

It's a large coupe for feck sake, not a Hummer!!!

Just for comparison....

Mustang:
Length 4,784 mm
Width 1,916 mm
Height 1,381 mm


6 Series Coupe
Length 4,820 mm
Width 1,855 mm
Height 1,374 mm

Mac 3

Well the one i saw in the showroom didnt look huge at all. Long bonnet alright, but thats no bad thing.

Jesus.

Pugzilla wrote: »

Plenty of tractors and lorries manage fine on our tiny country roads so I don't buy the argument that it's too big.

Would you drive a tractor or lorry around as your Daily?

Jesus.

Big Nasty wrote: »

Gone are the days of humongous cars in the States and tiny tin boxes in Europe.

There's still a massive difference between the average size of a car in the US and one here. We're at least one class smaller, perhaps closer to two.

Naya Melodic Nail wrote: »

Man if someone is complaining about 700 euro tax they cant afford the Mustang, I doubt it will concern the buyers. I pay 650 for a bog standard 1.6 golf. IfI could afford a Mustang id probably pay 2k.

You sure?

TeaBagMania

All im saying is when I hire a one liter Hyundai or VW Polo in Ireland I feel cramped on the back country roads and always worry about the hedges scratching the side of the car.

Prior to 2010 I would have never considered purchasing a ford. The quality, fit and finish have come a long way. I’d take the mustang over any of the comparably priced German counter parts.

Love my 5.0L F150

DaveHumphreys

Cool plate!

TeaBagMania

Thanks, had to wait a couple of years for it to become available

RR3.5

TeaBagMania wrote: »

All im saying is when I hire a one liter Hyundai or VW Polo in Ireland I feel cramped on the back country roads and always worry about the hedges scratching the side of the car.

Prior to 2010 I would have never considered purchasing a ford. The quality, fit and finish have come a long way. I’d take the mustang over any of the comparably priced German counter parts.

Love my 5.0L F150

When driving on the back roads of Ireland just do as most locals do when meeting a car , close your eyes and pray. Love the truck .

Jesus.

I think the ecoboost sounds good for what it is


Skip to 00:34 secs

ION08

Jesus. wrote: »

I think the ecoboost sounds good for what it is


Skip to 00:34 secs

Sounds damn good but I do believe there is a sounds synthesizer fitted

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/24/ford-mustang-ecoboost-fake-engine-soundtrack/

TeaBagMania

And a mustang with anything other than a manual transmission is sacrilege

Jesus.

There is Ion but I wonder does it make much of a difference? I mean the sound on that 2.3 is good but its still audibly a 4 cylinder. If they were going to bullsh1t the noise would they not have made it sound like a V8?

(Might depend on what settings the driver in that vid had on)

Pugzilla

It's selling well in the UK. There's a 12 month waiting list.
70% of the mustangs sold in the UK are the V8 model.

Pugzilla

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That's because they aren't silly money to tax in the UK.

Did I mention anything about tax or cost in my post?

Jesus.

Pugzilla wrote: »

70% of the mustangs sold in the UK are the V8 model.

Did someone say nearly half the ones sold in the US were ecoboost?

(Or did I just dream that?)

vintagevrs

Pugzilla wrote: »

Did I mention anything about tax or cost in my post?

What's wrong with the place.

He never said you did. He was just making the point.

Pugzilla

vintagevrs wrote: »

What's wrong with the place.

What does this sentence even mean????

Donnelly117

Pugzilla wrote: »

What does this sentence even mean????

He's probably wondering why everyone is so defensive in here these days... Lightning simply pointed out that tax in the UK was cheaper hence the sales of the v8 mustangs, which is true...

carsfan

Vintagevrs
Would you go for a mustang ecoboost over the golf R?
You seem a little smittenðŸ˜႒

Nonoperational

vintagevrs wrote: »

What's wrong with the place.

Ive been saying this for a while now. It's like the place is over run with immature teenagers trying to prove a point. No discussion can be had without someone being rude or smart or completely over exaggerating a point to suit their agenda. It's a shame because it used to be a great forum.

Apologies for going off topic.

Pugzilla

Nonoperational wrote: »

Ive been saying this for a while now. It's like the place is over run with immature teenagers trying to prove a point. No discussion can be had without someone being rude or smart or completely over exaggerating a point to suit their agenda. It's a shame because it used to be a great forum.

Apologies for going off topic.

Your brain is nonoperational. I've been on theses boards for 7 years.

Nonoperational

Pugzilla wrote: »

Your brain is nonoperational. I've been on theses boards for 7 years.

I've been on them for 11. In all that time I've never thought of a reply as witty as yours. Well done. I thought there was something about having to be over 13 to register an account. I must have been mistaken.

vintagevrs

carsfan wrote: »

Vintagevrs
Would you go for a mustang ecoboost over the golf R?
You seem a little smittenðŸ˜႒

I am waiting for a price. My local dealer never bothered getting back to me, which is bad form as I was there in person. I contacted the one in Cork and waiting on details. Gut feeling tells me the trade in price will be too sore, but iv asked the question.

A local guy owns a mustang, I might try and get in contact to see what his thoughts are first. Sitting in a showroom is one thing, talking to an owner would be of interest.

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

Did someone say nearly half the ones sold in the US were ecoboost?

(Or did I just dream that?)

52% of US sales are for the proper engine (V8). Note there is also a V6 available in the US, although it has marginally less power than the Ecoboost and is cheaper to buy as well. I'd say a good chunk of non V8 sales in the US are for the V6, that one was always popular with the likes of rental car companies. In the UK as has previously been noted 70% of buyers are going for the V8, I'd expect that to rise from next year when the car tax changes come into effect and all Mustangs (and indeed all new non electric cars with a last price of below £40k) will only be £140 a year to tax after the first year (the UK has a CO2 system for VED at the moment but it's nowhere near as unfair as the Irish equivalent - the Ecoboost is £220 a year in VED after year 1 while the V8 is £490 a year after year 1).

carsfan

Fair play. No harm in asking the question.
A lot more high profile than a golf however.
It would be the width that would be an issue in my opinion in everyday use. Neighbour has a 6 series gran coupe and finds it very big on anything but main roads and the mustang is wider again.

I guess ford dealers very busy getting the bread and butter out on the road around now so in no hurry to get back to you!

vintagevrs

Yeah he got back to me after a day saying he's very busy and will be in touch. A simple message like that makes a big difference.

Jesus.

Captain Speed why are they reducing tax on non-electrics in the UK?

td2008

vintagevrs wrote: »

I am waiting for a price. My local dealer never bothered getting back to me, which is bad form as I was there in person. I contacted the one in Cork and waiting on details. Gut feeling tells me the trade in price will be too sore, but iv asked the question.

A local guy owns a mustang, I might try and get in contact to see what his thoughts are first. Sitting in a showroom is one thing, talking to an owner would be of interest.

Keep us updated

Jesus.

carsfan wrote: »

Would you go for a mustang ecoboost over the golf R?

Still think thats an odd comaparison

td2008

very little fun new cars in that price range
I think the golf r is the best of the hot hatches and then that just leaves the mustang.
bmw, merc - all 70K +

Donnelly117

td2008 wrote: »

very little fun new cars in that price range
I think the golf r is the best of the hot hatches and then that just leaves the mustang.
bmw, merc - all 70K +

I'd there a big jump up from the ecoboost mustang to the civic type r and the focus Rs? There's a good few grand in the difference I guess?

td2008

Think the rs starts at 51k instead of 48k. Civic starts at 48k too

carsfan

I wasn't comparing golf R to the mustang.
Vintage drives an R now and would be changing to a mustang.

Jesus.

carsfan wrote: »

I wasn't comparing golf R to the mustang.Vintage drives an R now and would be changing to a mustang.

Apologies

MyStubbleItches

I sat in the 2.3 the other day, had it ticking over and the sound is synthesised but does sound good. However they seem to have a little burble put in every 5 or 6 seconds that just sounds silly, like they want to fool you into thinking its a V8. We picked up her diesel focus st last weekend and it too has synthesised 'noise'. I'm very impressed with that, definitely adds to the driving experience!

Jesus.

Is the synthesizer in the diesel ST pumping in the sound of a petrol engine or an enhanced diesel sound?

MyStubbleItches

Jesus. wrote: »

Is the synthesizer in the diesel ST pumping in the sound of a petrol engine or an enhanced diesel sound?

Petrol-ish

jimgoose

Jesus. wrote: »

Is the synthesizer in the diesel ST pumping in the sound of a petrol engine or an enhanced diesel sound?

Aston Martin V12, to match the grille, obviously!

MyStubbleItches

jimgoose wrote: »

Aston Martin V12, to match the grille, obviously!

Yeah there's a bit of fish mouth going on there alright!!

Still, very impressed with the st. And I've never owned a ford even though wifey has been trying to get me to drive one since I met her.

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

Captain Speed why are they reducing tax on non-electrics in the UK?

The official reason is that the revenue from the existing system was starting to dry up and they want to keep getting the same amount of money a year from VED. The lowest CO2 emitting vehicles either paid no VED or as little as £30 a year, and of course CO2 emissions (on paper at least) are getting lower all the time. They're not expecting to get any more money from the changes (as the price is meant to reflect the average amount at present) but it is designed to make sure that the revenue from VED is sustainable. Also worth noting is that the 3% surcharge for diesel company car tax is remaining, that was meant to be abolished this year if you had a Euro 6 compliant car but they changed their mind after the VW emissions scandal.

Whatever the official reason, it's great news for all petrolheads, because you can now have your V8 Mustang (or any fast car you fancy) and pay no more than someone with a 1 litre s***box to tax it every year! There is still an incentive to buy a lower CO2 vehicle because the first year's VED is still based on emissions and the V8 Mustang will cost £2,000 a year in VED initially (the most fuel efficient will pay nothing). After year 1 it will then switch to the flat rate of £140. Cars that have a list price of more than £40,000 new will pay an additional surcharge after year 1 of about £300, however once the car is seven years old they too will switch to the flat rate of £140. So, believe it or not some cars will actually become cheaper to tax as they get older! You wouldn't see that happening in Ireland that's for sure, sure don't you know that "old" cars are wrecks and liable to cause a crash any minute!

Unfortunately they have copied our idea of a two-tier tax system, because this new (and much better for the petrolhead) system will only apply to cars registered from I think it is April next year (it is at some point early enough in the New Year for sure). Any car on the existing system will continue to pay the current rate, which in the case of the V8 Mustang is £490. At current exchange rates that's about €640, which is still a bargain compared to what you'd pay in Ireland (and also cheaper than the Ecoboost in Ireland), but it's quite pricey compared to the €180ish you'd pay if you bought a new one from next year!

Jesus.

Captain Speed, that is a very well written post. In fact its too good for me because I can't understand hardly any of it!

Don't know how taxing cars less is going to bring them in the same amount of tax. Your post explains it but I'm afraid I haven't a clue what it means.

I appreciate the effort though pal

Leonard Hofstadter

Jesus. wrote: »

Captain Speed, that is a very well written post. In fact its too good for me because I can't understand hardly any of it!

Don't know how taxing cars less is going to bring them in the same amount of tax. Your post explains it but I'm afraid I haven't a clue what it means.

I appreciate the effort though pal

Let's try again:D. A lot of cars which don't emit as much CO2 (on paper) as a Mustang (even the Ecoboost) currently pay less than £140 a year (anything below 140 g/km), some as little as £20, anything below 99 g/km is free. As more and more cars are getting lower (on paper) CO2 emissions the amount of VED they're getting is falling, so from next year onwards only electric cars will get free VED. Basically they want to protect the revenue they're getting from VED so they're charging everyone the same from next year onwards (with a few exceptions, like ZE cars and cars that are more than £40k new - also the first year's VED will still be emissions based).

They'll have to do something similar here eventually, because a lot of new cars are in band A or better, so motor tax is €200 or less, in the olden days the average car had a 1.4 or 1.6 litre engine if you have one of those on the old system you are paying €385 or €514. This clearly isn't sustainable so I wouldn't be surprised if something was done about it in time to come. Personally I'd favour the British approach, it would make fast cars much more desirable and ensure the polluter pays as then you'd be paying directly for how much CO2 you're creating (via fuel duty).

Jesus.

Thanks Captain Speed that is clearer (although I will admit the constant use of 'VED' is a distraction! I looked it up and I believe its simply Motor tax.)

Whatever they do over here you can be quite certain they'll fukk it up somehow. Lets hope not )

senordingdong

I'd say the Irish solution will be to attack those on the lower band, raising their rates. Rather than lowering the charge for those on the higher band.

ION08

senordingdong wrote: »

I'd say the Irish solution will be to attack those on the lower band, raising their rates. Rather than lowering the charge for those on the higher band.

Don't you just know it

We're a small little island, why can't we ever have nice things.

carsfan

Vintage vrs
Did you ever get a price for this or a test drive ?
Was looking at ford website and surprised things like navigation not standard.
I have a feeling after an initial flurry of sales they may struggle. I'm probably wrong however. Would love if I was.

noelf

Just one sold for the month of january on beepbeep.ie ..

carsfan

I saw on complete car.ie a lad in Donegal getting the first one. It looked like the black one vintage vrs took a picture of. I think the guy in Donegal ordered when they were first announced . Presume his is the only registered.