proposed Aviation fuel pipeline from Dublin port to Airport

Stinicker

expectationlost wrote: »

theres nobody in charge of it

The planners and designers and engineers should have foreseen the need to include a fuel pipeline through the Dublin port tunnel going to the Airport, also the Airport authorities should have pushed to get the pipeline integrated into the Port Tunnel Project. If some of the people in charge had brains in this country they'd be dangerous.

expectationlost

Stinicker wrote: »

The planners and designers and engineers should have foreseen the need to include a fuel pipeline through the Dublin port tunnel going to the Airport, also the Airport authorities should have pushed to get the pipeline integrated into the Port Tunnel Project. If some of the people in charge had brains in this country they'd be dangerous.

they are competing projects, the pipeline people tried to get strategic infrastructural designation and failed

Stinicker

Stinicker wrote: »

The planners and designers and engineers should have foreseen the need to include a fuel pipeline through the Dublin port tunnel going to the Airport, also the Airport authorities should have pushed to get the pipeline integrated into the Port Tunnel Project. If some of the people in charge had brains in this country they'd be dangerous.

Why the hell would the designers and engineers on the port tunnel be worried about a fuel pipeline to the airport? Why would it even enter into their thinking?

Gloomtastic!

The Unaccountables couldn't even get the height right with the port tunnel. Not a hope of them thinking of a fuel pipeline! :rolleyes:

TallGlass

Laila Mushy Spine wrote: »

Why the hell would the designers and engineers on the port tunnel be worried about a fuel pipeline to the airport? Why would it even enter into their thinking?

No expert here but it makes sense, might have been a nice route for a fiber optic cable also.

Think its called future proofing.

newacc2015

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

The Unaccountables couldn't even get the height right with the port tunnel. Not a hope of them thinking of a fuel pipeline! :rolleyes:

Are you talking about the companies that gave out the tunnel wasn't high enough after all the planning and designing was done? That these new super trucks were the future? They never took off and it wasn't worth spending tens of millions so a few companies could benefit with slightly cheaper transport costs

cgcsb

The tunnel being too short was a complete fudge. The super trucks were always going to have enormous difficulty navigating Europe's low bridge heights. Not to mention that in Ireland they'd run into trouble within minutes of exiting a motorway.

cherrytaz

TallGlass wrote: »

No expert here but it makes sense, might have been a nice route for a fiber optic cable also.

Think its called future proofing.

There is plenty of fibre optic cable going through the tunnel, primarily used for controlling the M50 Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) elements (VMS signs, CCTV, ANPR, Automatic Incident Detection etc.). and plenty of spare capacity also.

Rojomur

Aftet looking at the proposed route it strikes me as odd as in its so long when a much more direct route would be....
From the port, Tolka quay rd. 600m under the bay to vernon avenue.
Straight up as far as brookwood avenue and on to Artane roundabout.
Over ardlea road and up kilmore past Northside shopping centre.
Up through clonshaugh ind estate and out to M1/M50 roundabout and then on to the airport.1- 2 metre Tunnel boring machines are available now for these small tunnels and they wouldnt be digging up the whole malahide road, a main traffic artery for the city and there wouldnt be as much disruption through housing estates.

Rojomur

This was reported on independent.ie today in business section.

Green light for €20m fuel pipeline under city to airport

Fuel demand at airport results in 15,000 tanker journeys a year.

THE developer of a controversial €20m aviation-fuel pipeline from Dublin Airport to Dublin Port must indemnify Dublin City Council against any environmental damage caused by accidents on the line.

It was one of 33 conditions laid down by An Bord Pleanála in granting planning permission for the 14km project.

Residents living along the route of the proposed line had raised concerns over its safety and possible environmental impact. The pipeline runs through Dublin City Council and Fingal County Council territory. Both councils granted permission for it to go ahead last year.

While the Fingal decision wasn't appealed to An Bord Pleanála, appeals were lodged against the decision of Dublin City Council by residents.

In its decision, the planning board laid down conditions to ensure the safety of the environment and the public. It said the pipe must be used for transporting jet A1 aviation fuel only and the developer must submit a "major accident prevention document" to the council.

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The developer has also been directed to submit details of emergency response procedures and to lodge a deposit with the council to secure environmental restoration in the event of a leak of the pipeline .

The application for the plan said that it would provide "a sustainable and secure means of fuel supply" for the airport.

It said that the pipeline would be the safest way to transport aviation fuel.

Residents from Copeland Avenue, Clontarf, argued that as it was a residential street, it was not appropriate to route "a major piece of infrastructure" through the area. They said the line would introduce an ongoing threat of rupture, leakage and possible ignition for all those living along the route.

They also argued there was a history of damage to high-pressure fuel pipelines in the UK, in spite of safety regulation.

The scheme - a revived version of a plan first approved over a decade ago - would see the pipeline wind its way under heavily populated areas and some of the busiest roads in the country.

The two companies behind the plan - Portlaoise engineering firm Fingleton White, and Dublin-based Reynolds Logistics - point out that current fuel demand at Dublin Airport results in over 15,000 fuel tanker journeys a year being made between it and Dublin Port.

"It is estimated that some 200,000 litres of diesel fuel are used each year by the tankers transporting the fuel, which equates to an annual emission of 500 tonnes of CO2,"

Cienciano

Rojomur wrote: »

Residents from Copeland Avenue, Clontarf, argued that as it was a residential street, it was not appropriate to route "a major piece of infrastructure" through the area. They said the line would introduce an ongoing threat of rupture, leakage and possible ignition for all those living along the route.

Interestingly enough, a HP gas line goes the entire length of Copeland Avenue and a high voltage line buried at the top.

expectationlost

Rojomur wrote: »

This was reported on independent.ie today in business section.

Green light for €20m fuel pipeline under city to airport

Fuel demand at airport results in 15,000 tanker journeys a year.

THE developer of a controversial €20m aviation-fuel pipeline from Dublin Airport to Dublin Port must indemnify Dublin City Council against any environmental damage caused by accidents on the line.

It was one of 33 conditions laid down by An Bord Pleanála in granting planning permission for the 14km project.

Residents living along the route of the proposed line had raised concerns over its safety and possible environmental impact. The pipeline runs through Dublin City Council and Fingal County Council territory. Both councils granted permission for it to go ahead last year.

While the Fingal decision wasn't appealed to An Bord Pleanála, appeals were lodged against the decision of Dublin City Council by residents.

In its decision, the planning board laid down conditions to ensure the safety of the environment and the public. It said the pipe must be used for transporting jet A1 aviation fuel only and the developer must submit a "major accident prevention document" to the council.

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The developer has also been directed to submit details of emergency response procedures and to lodge a deposit with the council to secure environmental restoration in the event of a leak of the pipeline .

The application for the plan said that it would provide "a sustainable and secure means of fuel supply" for the airport.

It said that the pipeline would be the safest way to transport aviation fuel.

Residents from Copeland Avenue, Clontarf, argued that as it was a residential street, it was not appropriate to route "a major piece of infrastructure" through the area. They said the line would introduce an ongoing threat of rupture, leakage and possible ignition for all those living along the route.

They also argued there was a history of damage to high-pressure fuel pipelines in the UK, in spite of safety regulation.

The scheme - a revived version of a plan first approved over a decade ago - would see the pipeline wind its way under heavily populated areas and some of the busiest roads in the country.

The two companies behind the plan - Portlaoise engineering firm Fingleton White, and Dublin-based Reynolds Logistics - point out that current fuel demand at Dublin Airport results in over 15,000 fuel tanker journeys a year being made between it and Dublin Port.

"It is estimated that some 200,000 litres of diesel fuel are used each year by the tankers transporting the fuel, which equates to an annual emission of 500 tonnes of CO2,"

the planning file itself
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/245738.htm

Rojomur

Any word on this starting any time soon?

jon1981

This a great initiative! Less trucks on the road can only be a win win for everyone living or commuting on the roads that accommodate those trucks. With the demand for Dublin Airport set to increase, this is a long time coming.

Rojomur

It is but a lot of hastle and cost could have been avoided if they incorporated it into the building the port tunnel. Im not saying inside the port tunnell but alongside it in a seperate much smaller one. This was first thought of 20 years ago. Once again lack of fore-planning!!!! Now malahide road is gonna be dug up for this possibly this year and again in a few years time ehen they do the BRT bus rapit transit scheme...😀😀😀

D'Peoples Voice

Rojomur wrote: »

Any word on this starting any time soon?

I believe they started last February
[url] https://www.thejournal.ie/fingal-jet-fuel-pipeline-5017054-Feb2020/[/url]
but there seems to be no update from
[url] http://aviationfuelpipeline.com/[/url], DCC or Fingal

You'd think when the roads are quieter than normal they could be pushing ahead with this :rolleyes:

expectationlost

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

I believe they started last February
[url] https://www.thejournal.ie/fingal-jet-fuel-pipeline-5017054-Feb2020/[/url]
but there seems to be no update from
[url] http://aviationfuelpipeline.com/[/url], DCC or Fingal

You'd think when the roads are quieter than normal they could be pushing ahead with this :rolleyes:

they re-commenced works in May same road.. .https://www.facebook.com/fingalcoco/posts/road-closure-on-stockhole-lane-monday-may-11th-to-friday-may-15th-gmc-utilities-/2918319738223716/