puppys poo is always soft/sloppy

tk123

According to your post here you got the MM on the 10th so 12 days ago. That's not long enough (imo) to switch a dog over gradually - did you mix the old food in or just do a straight swap? You should be gradually switching over 2-3 weeks.

If it was me I'd either feed chicken/fish (tesco do frozen value white fish fillets for cheap enough) and rice/potato or if you're lazy :P a wet food like NatureDiet or RC Sensitivity/Hills I/d which you can get from your vet* and get him to the stage where the poos are ok. Once they're fine SLOWLY start adding the new food in over 2-3 weeks. Start with small amounts often and if he's ok with that then you can think about 2 larger meals.

+1 for the Jarrow probiotics. I use them too from time to time and find them brilliant.
http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pet-Dophilus-2-5-oz-70-5-g-Powder/4295#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=jarrow%20pet&rc=1&sr=null&ic=1

Or you can get the paste online
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/vetuk-clinical-nutriments-c-1392_1404_1396/vetuk-probiotic-kolin-paste-p-20356





*Be prepared when you go to the vet - they'll probably just push their Hills/RC prescription foods - they're very expensive though. I think my friend pays over €80 for a bag of the RC stuff and the dog's poo is still terrible and smells terrible.

maggiepip

Agree with tk123, you could also try Rocco tinned from zooplus, if you buy in bulk from zooplus.de its pretty reasonable even for a big dog. It was the Rocco food and probiotics that sorted out my dogs tummy, I still give her probiotics a few times a week on a permanent basis to maintain her gut health. Over the years her tummy got stronger and I alternate a few different varieties of zooplus wet food now, but Rocco, which is grain free, was her only food for a long time while her tummy strengthened up.

rottie 11

I only mixed the old food for 3day then i ran out , 70% of his poops are solid but stil gets the bad ones . He got it bad this morning so kinda freaked out, il give it another week and see , i must order more nuts tomorow but it could be a waste of money if these nuts arent agreeing with him .

What actualy are probiotics thou , like are they for diherea just of what?

maggiepip

Probiotics will restore the balance of bacteria in the gut, you have good bacteria and bad bacteria present, when there is too much bad bacteria present symptoms can include diarrhoea, excess wind and stomach cramps. So yes, if the dogs problem is a bacteria imbalance it should really help to get his poos back to normal.

edit to add; its the probiotics that provide the good bacteria, just to be clear in case I waffled there!

rottie 11

maggiepip wrote: »

Probiotics will restore the balance of bacteria in the gut, you have good bacteria and bad bacteria present, when there is too much bad bacteria present symptoms can include diarrhoea, excess wind and stomach cramps. So yes, if the dogs problem is a bacteria imbalance it should really help to get his poos back to normal.

edit to add; its the probiotics that provide the good bacteria, just to be clear in case I waffled there!

Thanks for information, he didnt eat much today and seems very down and sick . Fairly worried bout him

maggiepip

If hes losing his appetite and seems sick you should take him to the vet.

rottie 11

maggiepip wrote: »

If hes losing his appetite and seems sick you should take him to the vet.

Ya i will tomoro , his poop lookd dark green tonite. Hope he is ok

Dubl07

You could phone the UCD emergency clinic for advice.

Their contact details are at Out of hours emergency vet clinic and while I appreciate that you may not be in Dublin and able to whisk your dog to their premises for treatment, their expertise may help you get your dog through the night and to the vet's clinic in the morning or help you decide to pressure your own vet for a home visit. Either way, I'd be texting your boss/employees tonight to advise that you'll be absent for a bit tomorrow AM. I hope it all works out for you and the pup.

tk123

Dubl07 wrote: »

You could phone the UCD emergency clinic for advice.

Their contact details are at Out of hours emergency vet clinic and while I appreciate that you may not be in Dublin and able to whisk your dog to their premises for treatment, their expertise may help you get your dog through the night and to the vet's clinic in the morning or help you decide to pressure your own vet for a home visit. Either way, I'd be texting your boss/employees tonight to advise that you'll be absent for a bit tomorrow AM. I hope it all works out for you and the pup.

Get him thru the night?! It sounds like he has an upset tummy - an inexpereinced owner reading your post would be thinking the poor dog is about to drop dead(!)

I'd skip one meal and start on chicken and rice/potato with some natural yoghurt mixed in - a few tablespoons of the mix every few hours. If there's no improvement in 24 hours then I'd be thinking of going to the vets. My dog had sloppy green poo this morning - I'm not calling work or asking the vet to come over because she's like that from eating the cut grass and muck in the park yesterday. >_<

rottie 11

Thanks for the comments lads but ive got a bigger problem with him now. Theres a problem with his leg . My familys rotweiler had to be down last xmas as she was carryin a tumor for the last 2 years of her life and she had a lame leg for 5 or 6 year that couldnt be fixed. I cant go threw that again watching my puppy being hurt . Starting to think there must be problems with rotties bones/joints. I know their hips can be weak but i dont know realy. He is going to the vet at 6, he only opens 6-7 as hes a farm vet by day

andreac

What's wrong with his leg? Front or back?
Did you get your pup from a reputable breeder? Are the parents hip scored?

rottie 11

andreac wrote: »

What's wrong with his leg? Front or back?
Did you get your pup from a reputable breeder? Are the parents hop scored?

I dont know whats wrong with it he keeps crying when lying down and holds up his front paw every now and then and crys. I bought him from donedeal, not sure what hop scored is?

Nody

rottie 11 wrote: »

I dont know whats wrong with it he keeps crying when lying down and holds up his front paw every now and then and crys. I bought him from donedeal, not sure what hop scored is?

BY breeder then.

muddypaws

rottie 11 wrote: »

I dont know whats wrong with it he keeps crying when lying down and holds up his front paw every now and then and crys. I bought him from donedeal, not sure what hop scored is?

It was a typo, she meant hip scored

rottie 11

muddypaws wrote: »

It was a typo, she meant hip scored

Dont know what that is

rottie 11

Nody wrote: »

BY breeder then.

What?

Nody

rottie 11 wrote: »

What?

Puppy farm or Backyard breeding; by far the most common source of pups on Donedeal and bred without any health checks leading to expensive vet bills down the line. I'd strongly recommend you read the section under "How to avoid Puppy Farms"; will not help you now but will be of great help in years to come.

tk123

Hope the pup will be ok OP

rottie 11

Nody wrote: »

Puppy farm or Backyard breeding; by far the most common source of pups on Donedeal and bred without any health checks leading to expensive vet bills down the line. I'd strongly recommend you read the section under "How to avoid Puppy Farms"; will not help you now but will be of great help in years to come.

I know bout backyard breeding but the pups had vet card with everything up to date , microchiped and 4 generations of papers so i taut everything would be fine. I think maybe they were unexperienced breeders but must have had good intentions

rottie 11

tk123 wrote: »

Hope the pup will be ok OP

Me 2 , bit wary bout my vet tho . I dont know if he is very good. Might have to get a 2nd opinion . Theres only one vet in my town and hes not even a small animal specialist

muddypaws

rottie 11 wrote: »

I know bout backyard breeding but the pups had vet card with everything up to date , microchiped and 4 generations of papers so i taut everything would be fine. I think maybe they were unexperienced breeders but must have had good intentions

Why would you think they had good intentions if they couldn't be bothered to do the genetic tests for the breed? All IKC dogs have to be microchipped, so thats something they had to do. You got the pup at 8 weeks, so it had only had one set of vaccinations, did you get the second set done? TBH, I've not heard of 4 generations of papers, it's usually 3 or 5. Are the papers IKC or Canine Ireland?

rottie 11

muddypaws wrote: »

Why would you think they had good intentions if they couldn't be bothered to do the genetic tests for the breed? All IKC dogs have to be microchipped, so thats something they had to do. You got the pup at 8 weeks, so it had only had one set of vaccinations, did you get the second set done? TBH, I've not heard of 4 generations of papers, it's usually 3 or 5. Are the papers IKC or Canine Ireland?

Yep i got the rest of the shots done since, sorry it 3 generations of paper and his own papers. And they are ikc .

Well they wormed and flead the pups , got them their shot etc and got the papers. So they surely cared for the pups.

Other puppy farmers dont give a **** about the pups

I rang one fella bout pups and he told me they got no shots what so ever and that they werent going to be.

I nearly bought one of them just to save one

Sorry now i didnt report the prick

andreac

Can you not bring the pup to a different vets? A farm vet sounds like they are more experienced with large animals so would be better to go to a small animal practice that specialise with dogs.

Yes the parents should have been hip scored at a minimum so was Def a back yard breeder. Ikc reg means nothing really apart from showing the pedigree of the pup.

andreac

I take it you found the breeder on the likes of donedeal.ie or something?
Health testing is so important with all breeds and even more so with breeds that suffer from issues such as hip dysplasia.

maggiepip

Id try and bring him to a vet who deals mainly in small animals too, thing is anyway, you don't sound like you've much faith in this vet so its likely you won't be reassured by him. Hope things are ok, good luck.

muddypaws

rottie 11 wrote: »

Yep i got the rest of the shots done since, sorry it 3 generations of paper and his own papers. And they are ikc .

Well they wormed and flead the pups , got them their shot etc and got the papers. So they surely cared for the pups.

Other puppy farmers dont give a **** about the pups

I rang one fella bout pups and he told me they got no shots what so ever and that they werent going to be.

I nearly bought one of them just to save one

Sorry now i didnt report the prick

Report him to who? He wasn't breaking any law, as long as people buy pups off the likes of Donedeal, then these people will continue to breed and sell them.

If you think the breeders are good, then you should contact them about the issues you've been having with his diet, and now his leg, other puppy owners that bought from them may be having the same issues.

Dubl07

tk123 wrote: »

Get him thru the night?! It sounds like he has an upset tummy - an inexpereinced owner reading your post would be thinking the poor dog is about to drop dead(!)

I'd skip one meal and start on chicken and rice/potato with some natural yoghurt mixed in - a few tablespoons of the mix every few hours. If there's no improvement in 24 hours then I'd be thinking of going to the vets. My dog had sloppy green poo this morning - I'm not calling work or asking the vet to come over because she's like that from eating the cut grass and muck in the park yesterday. >_<

True enough. I posted at 12.45 last night, bit tired, concerned and so forth.

aonb

How did you get on at the vet this evening??

rottie 11

The vet said he is fairly sure he has rickets? Gave em a shot and tablets for 5 day and said he needs to get half pint of milk a day, would ye agree? He said i need to give the nuts another week or 2 also for the diahrea

Toulouse

I'm not entirely sure how a pup fed on a complete food that is getting out and about regularly can develop rickets unless there is some underlying medical issue that means that he's not absorbing nutrients properly.

OP, what injection and tablets did he get? Did the vet take any bloods?

I think it's time to get yourself to a good companion animal vet. If you give us your general location then someone can recommend a good vet for you.

muddypaws

rottie 11 wrote: »

The vet said he is fairly sure he has rickets? Gave em a shot and tablets for 5 day and said he needs to get half pint of milk a day, would ye agree? He said i need to give the nuts another week or 2 also for the diahrea

Is this actually a qualified vet that you saw? Giving a dog half a pint of cows milk every day is going to make sure the diarrhoea doesn't clear up, it will make it worse.

You have been feeding a decent food, I really can't see how he has rickets, but no, I'm not a qualified vet.

rottie 11

Toulouse wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure how a pup fed on a complete food that is getting out and about regularly can develop rickets unless there is some underlying medical issue that means that he's not absorbing nutrients properly.

OP, what injection and tablets did he get? Did the vet take any bloods?

I think it's time to get yourself to a good companion animal vet. If you give us your general location then someone can recommend a good vet for you.

The injection was pain relief i think . I am in kerry , dont realy have much transport tho. I know there is a very good vet in killarney but thats 20 miles away

rottie 11

muddypaws wrote: »

Is this actually a qualified vet that you saw? Giving a dog half a pint of cows milk every day is going to make sure the diarrhoea doesn't clear up, it will make it worse.

You have been feeding a decent food, I really can't see how he has rickets, but no, I'm not a qualified vet.

Yep 100% qualified ve

He said he will order calcium tablets if the milk doesnt agree with him. Il get a 2nd opinion when i have the cash

Toulouse

Can you not get a friend or family member to give you a lift?

andreac

Do you not drive? Or can you get a lift from someone?

To be honest I really don't know what's going on with your dog but I wouldn't have much faith in the vet you are using.

As toulouse said rickets is not a common thing so I very much doubt it's that and suggesting to feed milk?? Dogs are actually lactose intolerant so milk wouldn't be good for them at all and certainly wouldn't be helping with the tummy issues too.

rottie 11

Toulouse wrote: »

Can you not get a friend or family member to give you a lift?

Ya i could but spent what money i had on vet tonite, will try go saturday

rottie 11

andreac wrote: »

Do you not drive? Or can you get a lift from someone?

To be honest I really don't know what's going on with your dog but I wouldn't have much faith in the vet you are using.

As toulouse said rickets is not a common thing so I very much doubt it's that and suggesting to feed milk?? Dogs are actually lactose intolerant so milk wouldn't be good for them at all and certainly wouldn't be helping with the tummy issues too.

All i can do so is wait and go see the proper vet. My head is done in tbh just want him healthy

andreac

Is the dog insured? Please say he is.

rottie 11

andreac wrote: »

Is the dog insured? Please say he is.

Not yet he will be thou . Roughly how much doest it cost

Toulouse

rottie 11 wrote: »

All i can do so is wait and go see the proper vet. My head is done in tbh just want him healthy

I know, it's frustrating when they are sick, all you want is for them to be well and happy.

andreac

Thing is with insurance. If you don't get them done straight away, once you insure them, anything they already suffered with won't be covered as it's pre existing condition. So all this stuff he has won't be covered on the policy.

I really would urge you to get him insured asap but it won't make any difference for these recent issues as they won't be covered.

aonb

Just my tuppence worth:

Rickets is a defiency in calcium/vitamin D

You have been feeding him balanced dry food, it seems strange that a dog could develop rickets when on a commercially viable food.

As Andreac said, Dogs are Lactose intolerant - they cant digest lactose, the sugar in milk - so giving him milk every day is not going to be good, especially when he has tummy/bowel issue

Calcium injections are usually the prescribed thing with Rickets arent they? At the very least there are calcium pills.

I would also recommend you get your puppy to the small animal vet you mentioned in Killarney. Maybe phone them up and see if they will do some sort of payment plan?

In the meantime, mind yourself, dont let your head get too wrecked - your puppy will be sorted soon hopefully.

DBB

I've only ever seen rickets in dogs that came from really poor breeders op, sorry:(
I'm no expert in it, but I *think* rickets can be due to the nutrition the pup got much earlier in life, not just what he's feeding on now.
Assuming the vet's diagnosis is right (and I would much prefer a 2nd opinion on this), I'm also pretty sure that if you're going to supplement with calcium, you also need to supplement with Vitamin D, as the calcium won't be absorbed properly otherwise.
I would also have grave reservations about your vet advising to give your puppy milk. It's bound to make matters worse int he tummy department, and if he's not digesting the milk properly, he won't be getting any calcium from it either.
If you want to get calcium into him, I'd suggest feeding him those raw bones you were asking about recently. As well as supplementing with Vit D, which is cheap and easy to get.
But most of all, I cannot emphasise enough to you to get him to a small-animal vet asap to get a definitive diagnosis. If his bones are weak, and he has a fall and breaks a bone, he's not going to heal... if this diagnosis of rickets is correct. Rickets in a large-breed dog, and especially a breed known to develop problems with their bones as Rotties are, is a bloody serious diagnosis, and needs to be addressed yesterday.
Seriously OP, unless your large-animal vet also happens to be a small-animal vet (and very few of them are), other than getting the most basic of stuff done with your pet, you're wasting your money going to them

rottie 11

Hes getting no milk anyway. Il get the calcium tabs , and the tabs he gave me i think their vitiman tabs , they are big round ones with 100 on them and norbrook on the pack?

Toulouse

Don't waste your money on calcium tablets until you've had a second opinion. Bring the tablets the other vet gave you with you so they can see what's already been given.

Is there nothing else on the packet? Norbrook make a lot of vet. products so impossible to tell what you have from what you've told us. Did you not ask him what they were?

Inexile

All care vets in Killarney are very good tel 064 663733 and so are the Ark Clinic.

Not sure where you a based but would Macroom be any closer to you?

rottie 11

Macrom is further. Do you know anything about the vet in abbeyfeale? Hes meanj to be decent . I never asked him what the tablets were but heres a pic

andreac

Norbrook make lots of things. There should be the name of the drug and the dosage on a label on the pack? Have a look and see what they say.

You really need to get this dog looked at by a proper vet who knows what they are talking about. It seems you are being fobbed off to be honest with this other vet.

andreac

Those are just anti inflammatories. Is that all the medication hes on?

andreac

How old is your dog again?