Liveline thread 16/09/2014 to 26/11/2014

Tiger Mcilroy

They cant get any experience because employers are filling legitimate jobs with jobsbridgers..

EmilyHoward

What sort of an accent is that

bottlebrush

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did they speed up the computer voice on the crash ad?

I think that'a girl who now has a computer-aided voice as a result of severe injuries received in a crash when she was a child. Saw her on the news or Nationwide recently. Am open to correction though.

Mike Guide 69

Oh here we go, push your survey findings!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Fujitsu10

neris wrote: »

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I'm from Cork, and I must admit that was hard to follow....

SEPT 23 1989

What happened Vicky's anvil mentioned in the promo?

Mike Guide 69

"Pull up a draw-bridge", LOL !!!!

CountyHurler

Seems to me that the prospect of having to find jobs for the three twins has dawned on Joe... And now that Gerry Ryan's son is working in RTE that is one more avenue closed off..

scargill

I'm not sure the exploitation comes at this end of the Jobbridge scheme. At least these people have qualifications and the work experience should advance their chances of getting a job in their chosen profession (if a job exists).

But I think JobBridge being used for people washing cars, serving in McD is pure exploitation. This hasn't come up yet in this discussion.

yop

"The town I love so well"

ButtersSuki

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

"Pull up a draw-bridge", LOL !!!!

Joe thinks the caller is referring to the one that connects his castle to the rest of the driveway over his moate.

ButtersSuki

CountyHurler wrote: »

Seems to me that the prospect of having to find jobs for the three twins has dawned on Joe... And now that Gerry Ryan's son is working in RTE that is one more avenue closed off..

Seriously? I missed that one? Tell me more.

Sittingpretty

scargill wrote: »

I'm not sure the exploitation comes at this end of the Jobbridge scheme. At least these people have qualifications and the work experience should advance their chances of getting a job in their chosen profession (if a job exists).

But I think JobBridge being used for people washing cars, serving in McD is pure exploitation. This hasn't come up yet in this discussion.

That's because clearly those people are not nearly as important as teachers

Tiger Mcilroy

Duffy putting words in the profs mouth there...wtf duffy that was a desperate attempt to paint the man as the villain of the piece.

SEPT 23 1989

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Seriously? I missed that one? Tell me more.

there is a thread all about it

Mike Guide 69

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Seriously? I missed that one? Tell me more.

Rex Ryan, check out the after hours forum, theres a thread on it.....

Harry Angstrom

Joe seems to have left his socialist principles at home today.

ButtersSuki

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Rex Ryan, check out the after hours forum, theres a thread on it.....

Ah FFS, I thought Lottie was bad enough but this is just taking the proverbial completely.

Fujitsu10

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Rex Ryan, check out the after hours forum, theres a thread on it.....

FFS, that's your Demo doomed Butters.. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ThisRegard

One in the radio forum too. Edit, Rex Ryan thread that is.

CountyHurler

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Seriously? I missed that one? Tell me more.

I didnt get the full story but as far as I'm aware RTE are doing a remake of Gone With The Wind..

Mike Guide 69

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Rex Ryan, check out the after hours forum, theres a thread on it.....

Apologies , its on the radio thread, not after hours, there goes my job bridge research position...............damn.........:pac:

pc7

Was that Jill Kirby just on?

yop

CountyHurler wrote: »

I didnt get the full story but as far as I'm aware RTE are doing a remake of Gone With The Wind..

Obviously a shy unassuming lad like his Da.

Great reward for his fathers own downfall

ThisRegard

He's a dashing cut off his dad.

EmilyHoward

Dragging on a bit now

Sittingpretty

22 hours is a full contract week?

CountyHurler

"SANDRA SANDRA"

What the f**k is Duffy's problem.. does he prospective callers to memorise the names of the other contributors before coming on air or what?

ButtersSuki

pc7 wrote: »

Was that Jill Kirby just on?

No, she wasn't nearly patronizing or condescending enough.

SEPT 23 1989

CountyHurler wrote: »

I didnt get the full story but as far as I'm aware RTE are doing a remake of Gone With The Wind..

Pavee Point will need a new spokesman when Collins goes to that great caravan in the sky

Mike Guide 69

Build a bridge and get over it.....................i'll get me coat!!!!!!!

yop

Jeebus, how many times has it to be spelled out to them that they are not allowed! 250 euro a day, not bad for a 9-3 job

ButtersSuki

Honestly, about 7 of the last 10 Lahv Lahns I've listened to were candidates for "Worst Lahv Lahn Ever".

As my optician used to say to me as a child as my eyesight was getting progressively worse with each visit……...

"It's worse you're improving"

CountyHurler

"you're paid by the taxpayer"..

Golden opportunity for him to say "Well so you are Joe"

bigroad

Yes Joe you are also paid by the tax payer .

Harry Angstrom

This guy is giving us his life story zzzzzzzzzzzz. We're now up to 1984......

neris

CountyHurler wrote: »

I didnt get the full story but as far as I'm aware RTE are doing a remake of Gone With The Wind..

Mr Potatoe head hit the Brylcream big time

ButtersSuki

Joe is paid fees folks, not a salary. He'd be the first to tell you that.

Doesn't change the fact that it ultimately comes from the taxpayer admittedly, but Joe would probably argue that one too.

Dan Jaman

Well, I missed that, but skipping through the recording and the thread I don't think I missed anything Earth-shattering.

billy the squid

EmilyHoward wrote: »

Since when is €238 = nothing? I'm against jobsbridge in principle but spouting rubbish like this does the cause no favors.

the employer pays nothing. they get a free worker for six or nine months.

sligojoek

ButtersSuki wrote: »

When he's in investigate mode, he's Horatijoe, aptly named after the world's greatest investigator (and actor):




one can even imagine Joe with the auld sunglasses staring into the mirror and winking at himself.

I read that too quickly

queensinead

billy the squid wrote: »

the employer pays nothing. they get a free worker for six or nine months.

That point was not emphasised. The employers on the show, as in the outside world, were allowed to frame the debate in the "it's better to get up in the morning and go somewhere" mode

But employers are not neutral brokers here. Of course they think JobBridge is working. It's working for them. The taxpayer is gifting them free labour

What's so bad about free labour? Well, nobody made the clear point that working for nothing is bad because it devalues all labour and institutionalises and normalises the idea that employers don't have to pay anything to their workers

Where employees have only their labour to sell, if the market is rigged against them and flooded with free labour, of course their pay and conditions will plummet--which is what is happening

One rather scathing male employer early in the show really annoyed me

He was aggressively dismissive of all critics, insisting that he worked in "the real world"

But he's not operating in the real world of the free market. He's taking from the taxpayer, who must pay for his free labour. The "market" is rigged in his favour

These same employers are quick to accuse others of "leeching off the taxpayer" and telling us that "the state can't create jobs"

When the state is creating jobs, and paying for them, for private employers, apparently that's ok.

Also his condescending insistence that he'd always give a Jobbridge lad a few bob for himself at the end of the week, was offensive

Are workers expected to hang around looking longingly at the till on a Friday, hoping that out of the goodness of his heart, their employer, who is not obliged to pay them a penny, might take pity on them and shove a few bob into their jacket pocket?

Pay the worker a wage for his work. Forget the charity.

Harry Angstrom

It was also a load of bollix to state that most employers will provide for ScamBridge workers' expenses. Most of them won't, as they're not obliged to do so.

pc7

Schools are using jobbridge according to this, was this mentioned at all? I thought the debate was they wouldn't and yet it seems they are the biggest user of it? It may have been said during the week I found myself tuning in and out.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0918/644577-schools/

ThisRegard

The problem with the schools, and the unions are tying to have it both ways, is that they have to hold someone jobs open while they take a career break. So in theory they can't really fill this position with another full time position as the unions will **** themselves about it, der tuk our jobs. So what are schools that need a teacher to do ?

I do think the window of how long a position will be held open for is being reduced to two years. But two years ? That's still two years in which how a school operates effectively can be disrupted.

Dan Jaman

pc7 wrote: »

Schools are using jobbridge according to this, was this mentioned at all? I thought the debate was they wouldn't and yet it seems they are the biggest user of it? It may have been said during the week I found myself tuning in and out.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0918/644577-schools/

From what I heard in passing, according to JoeKinomics there are only 28 Job-bridge teachers or somesuch, which seems an unlikely small figure to me, anyhow.

Welsh Megaman

MDPV on the menu today?

ButtersSuki

Won't be in today folks as I have a prior arrangement

But I will leave you with this tale of merriment from De Luas dis morning. There I was minding my own business reading the paper on De Luas (a sure sign I'm not a regular luas traveller) when a member of the unwell asked me could I give him "a few bob for some skank". I assume he was referring to his choice of class A and not his missus, but that's another story. I politely declined to which I was subjected to a torrent of abuse - until I stood up. As my 6'6" frame towered over the I would imagine barely 5'6" member of the unwell (remember "junkie" is a bad word now) he quickly retreated. This was greeted by some mild sniggering from his fellow members of the unwell club.

Anyhoo, a few stops later at Heuston Station a yank (remarkably similar to the one who asks for the toilet in Trainspotting) gets on and starts conversing with said member of the unwell.

The conversation went like this:
Yank: hi! Can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: wha?
Yank: I said can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: you can say wha ya want bud.
Yank: and isn't this public tram great?
The unwell: it's nah pubilick, ye have ya pay for it.

And so it went on. Poor Yank.

Wonder can the researchers track him down (the yank)

Fujitsu10

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Won't be in today folks as I have a prior arrangement

But I will leave you with this tale of merriment from De Luas dis morning. There I was minding my own business reading the paper on De Luas (a sure sign I'm not a regular luas traveller) when a member of the unwell asked me could I give him "a few bob for some skank". I assume he was referring to his choice of class A and not his missus, but that's another story. I politely declined to which I was subjected to a torrent of abuse - until I stood up. As my 6'6" frame towered over the I would imagine barely 5'6" member of the unwell (remember "junkie" is a bad word now) he quickly retreated. This was greeted by some mild sniggering from his fellow members of the unwell club.

Anyhoo, a few stops later at Heuston Station a yank (remarkably similar to the one who asks for the toilet in Trainspotting) gets on and starts conversing with said member of the unwell.

The conversation went like this:
Yank: hi! Can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: wha?
Yank: I said can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: you can say wha ya want bud.
Yank: and isn't this public tram great?
The unwell: it's nah pubilick, ye have ya pay for it.

And so it went on. Poor Yank.

Wonder can the researchers track him down (the yank)

Great Story and well told (written), Well Done, Well Done, Well Done..
You do get around don't you? Last week Barcelona or was it Madrid, this week Duablin. Where next week? Ballybunion???:D:D

snubbleste

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