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Malahide to Donabate... shortcut?

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    #32
    Eamo71
    Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Eamo71


    micraX wrote: »
    It's not a beach and theres no signs telling you not to and it's access to fields so I think you can drive.

    As someone who lived in Swords for 33 out of my 43 years please do not follow that poster's advice and drive around the coast when the tide is out. Good grief.


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    #33
    T-Maxx
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    whomitconcerns wrote: »
    well no it wasnt...and yes it is quite wide i think you will find...but your helpful & constructive post will no doubt be great for the OP

    Maybe the OP also has a 'wide' A6.


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    #34
    The Hill Billy
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    That is enough.

    tHB


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    #35
    micraX
    Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭micraX


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    Thinly veiled "I've got a big A6 everybody!" post.

    Not that an A6 is that big either mind you.

    my user name suggests i'v a Micra:pac::pac::pac::pac:


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    #36
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    In the process of buying in Donabate, I would love if there was a walkway to Malahide!

    It seems like a logical idea which would provide a nice walk (the Castle to Newbridge was suggested) but cannot help feel like it will never happen


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    #37
    Tropheus
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    naughtb4 wrote: »
    In the process of buying in Donabate, I would love if there was a walkway to Malahide!

    It seems like a logical idea which would provide a nice walk (the Castle to Newbridge was suggested) but cannot help feel like it will never happen

    There are long term plans for a walkway that will go along by the railway bridge across the estuary. However, we have no idea when or if it will ever happen.

    Here is a good local website for Donabate/Portrane - www.donabateportrane.net


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    #38
    Wishbone Ash
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    pauliebdub wrote: »
    That roadway is also very slippery so might not be suitable for driving on.
    It's a bit slippery alright but surprisingly intact for a road which spends half it's life under water. I've cycled it several times.


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    #39
    JumpShivers
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    Bit of a thread bump.

    The road down to the swans, local access only atm... I'm assuming it's because of the weather lately?


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    #40
    Tropheus
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    JumpShivers wrote: »
    Bit of a thread bump.

    The road down to the swans, local access only atm... I'm assuming it's because of the weather lately?

    It's a cul-de-sac so I'd say that's why it's local access only.


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    #41
    The Muppet
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    Tropheus wrote: »
    It's a cul-de-sac so I'd say that's why it's local access only.

    It's only a Cul De Sac when the tide is in.


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    #42
    pinkypinky
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    Looks like major work on the bridge - there's a crane this morning.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    #43
    Carawaystick
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    fingal co co report on the proposed walking/cycling path
    http://www.fingalcoco.ie/media/Public%20Consultation%20Report%20Nov%202014.pdf


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    #44
    PWEI
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Looks like major work on the bridge - there's a crane this morning.


    The bridge is still closed. Anybody know what's going on?

    When I go running in Balheary Park, I sometimes go down that road.


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    #45
    PWEI
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    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    Believe it or not, you can actually drive around the estuary as there is a road which continues on past Prospect House (near the Swans mentioned earlier) but its tidal. I recall years ago doing it in a 4 wheel drive. It leads to Newport House where you can rejoin the road which rejoins the Hearse Road, after some driving. Its not exactly practical as you'd need a very low tide to do it in a regular car. Not recommended!

    Sorry for bumping up an old thread.

    Was out walking my dog up that way the other day when the tide was out.
    It's definitely doable but I would only try it in a 4x4 & there's still a possibility of getting stuck in muck.
    It's a lovely walk though.


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    #46
    Allyall
    Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    Do you mean the "temporary" road used to repair the railway bridge?

    That work was purely to repair the bridge although I understand its being left there to offer additional protection against erosion. It will also form part of the orbital route if it ever goes ahead.

    The Department gave the Council just over €100k either last year or the year before to conduct the necessary process to ascertain what would be required to complete the project. There was also a public display process for where it would come from and go to etc.

    I don't have a link handy but I'm sure if you search the council website you'll get more details.

    Personally, I'd be all for it, as I was when I was a councillor. Its a beautiful area and would be terrific to have public access for recreation etc.

    I do recall some concerned being raised by landowners on the Donabate side plus I recall residents on Hanlons Lane not being too happy with their road being used (as it is very narrow at one end and can't be widened.). That being said, I'm sure your local Councillors would hammer out a deal if the project was funded.

    You are being misled..

    There was 30k a month or week or fortnight? on the green cranes that were there. (I have no idea how much a crane costs, but it was definitely 30k per.....)

    The pillars or whatever you call them are there, ready for the concrete overpass to be planted on top of them.
    Fianna Fail are waiting to get back in, before they announce that they have finished that walkway/crossover/"Orbital Route".

    That hasn't been a rumour for a long time (Since before the last general election), and it is known that it is going ahead.
    It was initially the reinforcement of the railway itself that spurred the rumours, and probably what encouraged the idea, but it is definitely going ahead.

    Not the railway bridge/viaduct repair. That collapsed after the initial reinfocing. It's probably what weakened it.

    I'm very surprised you don't know more about that, and what problems the rock borders around the Estuary are causing....

    I don't even live there.


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    #47
    Alan Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭Alan Farrell


    Allyall wrote: »
    You are being misled..

    There was 30k a month or week or fortnight? on the green cranes that were there. (I have no idea how much a crane costs, but it was definitely 30k per.....)

    The pillars or whatever you call them are there, ready for the concrete overpass to be planted on top of them.
    Fianna Fail are waiting to get back in, before they announce that they have finished that walkway/crossover/"Orbital Route".

    That hasn't been a rumour for a long time (Since before the last general election), and it is known that it is going ahead.
    It was initially the reinforcement of the railway itself that spurred the rumours, and probably what encouraged the idea, but it is definitely going ahead.

    Not the railway bridge/viaduct repair. That collapsed after the initial reinfocing. It's probably what weakened it.

    I'm very surprised you don't know more about that, and what problems the rock borders around the Estuary are causing....

    I don't even live there.

    Haven't logged in, in quite some time.

    There are piers present on the site, running parallel to the railway line. They were installed at the time of the bridge collapse and are actually the tops of sunken posts which were hammered into the soil beneath in order to provide rigidity for the entire structure.

    The go ahead for the orbital route is entirely dependent on funding from the Department of Transport, Environment and/or Fingal County Council but is also subject to the planning process.

    If the specific funding for the walkway were to be granted, the plan would not proceed until the entire route was planning approved. To my knowledge, that has not yet occurred and would also require CPO's as landowners on the Donabate side are not all that pleased with the idea of unfettered access to their lands.

    Let me just be very specific in my next comment. No work occurred on the viaduct prior to the collapse of the bridge. Tidal erosion, as found by a manuscript sized report from a consultant engineer proved this.

    A plan was mooted in, as far as I can recall, 2004 or 2005 to "explore" the concept of an orbital route and was in the Development Plan of the Council thereafter. No funding was allocated to explore the possibility until provided by the then Minister for Transport, Leo Varadkar. This was followed up by Paschal Donohoe last year, if I recall.

    It might be the case that Fingal County Council allocated some of their own money toward looking at this project and as mentioned previously on this thread, a public consultation process did occur for what would happen after you left he viaduct path, i.e. where would the footfall be directed.


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    #48
    Alan Farrell
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    PWEI wrote: »
    It's a lovely walk though.

    It is, I did it in June. The weather helped.

    Its a bit tight in places which can cause problems passing people. The other problem is discarded litter, which is a shame.


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    #49
    Allyall
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    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    There are piers present on the site, running parallel to the railway line. They were installed at the time of the bridge collapse and are actually the tops of sunken posts which were hammered into the soil beneath in order to provide rigidity for the entire structure.
    Yep, I wouldn't call them "piers".
    But they are the objects I was referring to for the pathway to be placed on top to continue.
    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    Let me just be very specific in my next comment. No work occurred on the viaduct prior to the collapse of the bridge. Tidal erosion, as found by a manuscript sized report from a consultant engineer proved this.
    True, but work did occur on the *motte, to reinforce it, and stop it from slipping into the estuary.
    As a result, many people thought that there was a passage being put in place, which probably (no doubt) resulted in the 'plan' for the "orbital route".

    That and the Casino Malahide have stopped for reasons that escape me.
    I believe if the Casino had gone ahead, it already would have earned it's cost.
    I also am aware that an ex-politician was appointed trustee of it. Probably why nothing has been done with it. Waiting until his lot get back in power.

    (back on the route)
    Funny how those farmers had agreed to let it go ahead when the other shower were in power (If we are to believe them). They must've gone to them with a very lucrative offer.


    I have been in Malahide twice this past month, and will be again for their festival, the place looks like it has been paused. That 'orbital route' in particular looks disgraceful. Railings surrounding a perfectly good area for no reason.
    They should have been taken away with the cranes and other stuff.
    That area used to be (and should still be) beautiful to sit down and relax, especially in the summer. Now it has been turned into a wasteland with nothing growing in it and for some daft reason railings to prevent people from sitting there. They could have put one railing down the walkway and that would stop people walking it (or at least be as effective as the current one).

    The Casino looks disgraceful too. Why isn't there at least somebody keeping the building looking cared for.



    *I don't know/can't think of the correct term for a man made hill that is used for train tracks.


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    #50
    micraX
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    Allyall wrote: »
    Yep, I wouldn't call them "piers".
    But they are the objects I was referring to for the pathway to be placed on top to continue.


    True, but work did occur on the *motte, to reinforce it, and stop it from slipping into the estuary.
    As a result, many people thought that there was a passage being put in place, which probably (no doubt) resulted in the 'plan' for the "orbital route".

    That and the Casino Malahide have stopped for reasons that escape me.
    I believe if the Casino had gone ahead, it already would have earned it's cost.
    I also am aware that an ex-politician was appointed trustee of it. Probably why nothing has been done with it. Waiting until his lot get back in power.

    (back on the route)
    Funny how those farmers had agreed to let it go ahead when the other shower were in power (If we are to believe them). They must've gone to them with a very lucrative offer.


    I have been in Malahide twice this past month, and will be again for their festival, the place looks like it has been paused. That 'orbital route' in particular looks disgraceful. Railings surrounding a perfectly good area for no reason.
    They should have been taken away with the cranes and other stuff.
    That area used to be (and should still be) beautiful to sit down and relax, especially in the summer. Now it has been turned into a wasteland with nothing growing in it and for some daft reason railings to prevent people from sitting there. They could have put one railing down the walkway and that would stop people walking it (or at least be as effective as the current one).

    The Casino looks disgraceful too. Why isn't there at least somebody keeping the building looking cared for.



    *I don't know/can't think of the correct term for a man made hill that is used for train tracks.

    Farmers let what go exactly


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    #51
    Allyall
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    micraX wrote: »
    Farmers let what go exactly

    Allegedly the farmers had agreed terms with FF to allow some form of pathway to go around the Broadmeadows estuary, anywhere that it may have encroached or be forced to go into their land.


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    #52
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    update from Enjoy Malahide Facebook
    BROADMEADOW VIADUCT WALKWAY/CYCLEWAY UPDATE: There has been significant progress made on the Broadmeadow Way project since last reported. Fingal County Council is currently reviewing the Environmental Impact Statement for this proposal. When all the documentation is complete and ready to lodge with An Bord Pleanála, the Council plans to bring a presentation to the project committee.

    Fingal County Council are engaging with affected landowners to purchase land and to agree accommodation works, and Irish Rail is working closely on this project. In parallel Fingal County Council have made progress in addressing environmental/legal issues pertaining to the railway causeway across the estuary, and the Council is preparing funding sources for the project implementation stage.

    Thanks to Councillor Eoghan O'Brien for the project update


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    #53
    Alan Farrell
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    Allyall wrote: »
    Allegedly the farmers had agreed terms with FF to allow some form of pathway to go around the Broadmeadows estuary, anywhere that it may have encroached or be forced to go into their land.

    I continue to be puzzled by your continued fanciful references to FF when referring to a matter which is being completed by the Council, for at least ten years.

    As a matter of fact, one of the landowners happens to be a supporter of Labour, not that that matters one little bit.

    The progress of this proposal is down to the availability of funding to Fingal. They didn't have enough, now they do. It will go ahead sooner rather than later.


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    #54
    Allyall
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    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    I continue to be puzzled by your continued fanciful references to FF when referring to a matter which is being completed by the Council, for at least ten years.

    As a matter of fact, one of the landowners happens to be a supporter of Labour, not that that matters one little bit.

    I referenced FF as it was they who claimed it, I also used the word allegedly.

    I definitely have no fanciful or otherwise connections with FF/FG/LAB/GP/SF etc.

    I think it takes a certain type of person to want to be a politician in the first place, and I don't fit into that category.
    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    The progress of this proposal is down to the availability of funding to Fingal. They didn't have enough, now they do. It will go ahead sooner rather than later.

    Déjà vu

    http://issuu.com/seanfitz09/docs/pages280212/7


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    Alan Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 358 ✭✭Alan Farrell


    Allyall wrote: »

    Déjà vu

    http://issuu.com/seanfitz09/docs/pages280212/7

    The article you have quoted references money from the Department to facilitate "Taking the project one step closer to fruition".

    From recollection, it was €200k or thereabouts.


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    Allyall
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    Alan Farrell wrote: »
    The article you have quoted references money from the Department to facilitate "Taking the project one step closer to fruition".

    From recollection, it was €200k or thereabouts.

    TBH, I don't care about the delay, and can understand plenty of other things needed to move first. As long as those ugly railings are gone, moved down or replaced with something less dirty looking. A perfectly good recreational area has been destroyed. It could easily have been avoided and at a cheaper cost.

    Are they still going to try and squeeze a carpark in there, despite everyone being against it?


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    dslamjack
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    Broadmeadow Way prioritised... or so the Fingal Indo's headline goes--Will this be started let alone completed in our lifetime,I suppose it's no accident that we're in the midst of Election mania.
    Full article here..http://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/broadmeadow-way-prioritised-34433898.html


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    #58
    Allyall
    Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Allyall wrote: »
    Fianna Fail are waiting to get back in, before they announce that they have finished that walkway/crossover/"Orbital Route".
    dslamjack wrote: »
    Broadmeadow Way prioritised... or so the Fingal Indo's headline goes--Will this be started let alone completed in our lifetime,I suppose it's no accident that we're in the midst of Election mania.
    Full article here..http://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/broadmeadow-way-prioritised-34433898.html

    From the article
    Cllr Eoghan O'Brien (FF)

    Senator Darragh O'Briens younger brother whom he gave his council seat to. Obviously feeling pretty confident he will get back in, and as soon as he does, JCB's, Cranes and other industrial vehicles will move in.

    FF - "Look what I/we did, as soon as we're back, ball is rolling, aren't we great!"
    I presume all the other 'paused' projects will start back again too.

    Everyone else will forget/not care that it was those who left it ugly for years, and are responsible plenty of other landscape atrocities around that same area.
    Pity the people who were in up until now didn't know how to do it, or didn't even reference it or any of the other 'projects'.


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    #59
    dslamjack
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    OMG...Broadmeadow viaduct ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmeadow_viaduct ..
    It's 600 meters long,how hard can it be to build a blooming footpath 2/3 meter's wide x 600 meters long,we'll probably have to wait till it cost's 2/3 million sq meter and FF are in power.
    The FF lad's are never short of a JCB or Crane ,once their's a million or two involved.
    I get it , God it's a mighty job,very very big altogether,give us a break.
    Hearse's going in to Dardistown Cemetary move quicker than this crowd,It's taken 10 year's or more with the Castle,and another 10 years to finish it at the rate their going.
    You would seriously lose the will to live trying to get this crowd to move on anything.
    I wouldn't be expecting this Council to do anything about homelessness any time soon either considering they can't put a footpath on a bit of infrastructure that's been around since 1844.


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    #60
    Carawaystick
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    I don't think the issue is the viaduct, It's the route through farmland to the Kilcrea gate.


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    #61
    Allyall
    Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    I don't think the issue is the viaduct, It's the route through farmland to the Kilcrea gate.

    That was/is an issue in itself, but that would be a tiny bit of the walk and doesn't affect the rest of the 'orbital' route.
    Also the cranes and equipment were at the viaduct ready to place the tops, but everything was 'paused' when the election came up.
    After the election the cranes sat there for an extra 2-3 months before being taken away.
    The viaduct could and should have been finished when they were there. So the extra pathway up to Kilcrea gate had/has nothing to do with that.


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