Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

AngeGal

Have Irish panel members been released to Leinster? Would think Healy, Cronin, Fitzgerald could do with some game time.

scott1974

Latest update...

Not sure if any players have been release back yet, Scarlets have a few coming back to them including Priestland ...

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/13329.php#.VPcAcHysX94

sydthebeat

total former wrote: »

Te'o cited:
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/three-players-from-irish-provinces-in-trouble-for-alleged-punches-kicks-and-forearm-strikes/15906

I presume this is the incident that Lacey reviewed with the TMO and took no action? Would be very harsh to decide that was a red card offence.

it would be a fierce indictment of Lacey if this citing is upheld.....

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

it would be a fierce indictment of Lacey if this citing is upheld.....

It would be a fierce indictment of how out of touch the officials are I'd argue. They're already making bizarre decisions this season but this would be the icing on the cake.

sydthebeat

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would be a fierce indictment of how out of touch the officials are I'd argue. They're already making bizarre decisions this season but this would be the icing on the cake.

i completely agree... just making the point that if its upheld.. its a situation where Lacey viewed, countered the TMO, and decided there was nothing in it.

irishbucsfan

sydthebeat wrote: »

i completely agree... just making the point that if its upheld.. its a situation where Lacey viewed, countered the TMO, and decided there was nothing in it.

Yeah that's true, referees are really opening themselves up to criticism when they're doing that based on a view on a big screen (contradicting someone with a bunch of different views). He was right though, so fingers crossed sense prevails on this one.

crisco10

total former wrote: »

Te'o cited:
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/three-players-from-irish-provinces-in-trouble-for-alleged-punches-kicks-and-forearm-strikes/15906

I presume this is the incident that Lacey reviewed with the TMO and took no action? Would be very harsh to decide that was a red card offence.

What the hell?!!?

total former

sydthebeat wrote: »

i completely agree... just making the point that if its upheld.. its a situation where Lacey viewed, countered the TMO, and decided there was nothing in it.

Did the TMO not agree that it was OK though?

Absolute worst case scenario, it was a penalty, I can't believe anyone would think it was a red card offence worthy of a citing.

But, IIRC, the Ospreys guy went down like a sack of spuds. In the incident Luke Marshall was cited for, the Scarlets guy also received treatment for a head injury - maybe they're reviewing all head injury incidents as a result of the recent concussion nonsense?

Larbre34

Thats Te'o's bad arm. Davies or whoever it was should be embarrassed. That and making a rubbish approach to tackle.

Buer

I've watched it a few times and I genuinely won't be surprised if he gets a suspension for it. I will completely disagree with it but he leads with his forearm and makes contact with Davies' head. The reason he makes contact, however, is that Davies makes a complete balls of the tackle attempt.

Te'o doesn't have his arm high and has his arm in front of him in a fending motion to protect the ball. The below picture shows just how poor Davies was positionally. I would say about about 30-40% of players taking contact brace their arm in front of them as they go into a tackle. If they lead with the elbow or carry it high where it might well do damage, then it's fair enough.

This was poor defending and that's why he got hurt.

Buer

total former wrote: »

Did the TMO not agree that it was OK though?

Absolute worst case scenario, it was a penalty, I can't believe anyone would think it was a red card offence worthy of a citing.

But, IIRC, the Ospreys guy went down like a sack of spuds. In the incident Luke Marshall was cited for, the Scarlets guy also received treatment for a head injury - maybe they're reviewing all head injury incidents as a result of the recent concussion nonsense?

TMO, Derek Bevan, said something along the lines of it being a player dangerously leading with the forearm.

Yup. Derek Bevan, from Swansea, believed it was dangerous.

crisco10

Buer wrote: »

I've watched it a few times and I genuinely won't be surprised if he gets a suspension for it. I will completely disagree with it but he leads with his forearm and makes contact with Davies' head. The reason he makes contact, however, is that Davies makes a complete balls of the tackle attempt.

Te'o doesn't have his arm high and has his arm in front of him in a fending motion to protect the ball. The below picture shows just how poor Davies was positionally. I would say about about 30-40% of players taking contact brace their arm in front of them as they go into a tackle. If they lead with the elbow or carry it high where it might well do damage, then it's fair enough.

This was poor defending and that's why he got hurt.

Yup Davies' body position was awful. Teo's arm isn't abnormally positioned.

Reminds of a very simliar tackle by Weir I think against USA. Ultimately the Americans had the try disallowed because of it...Had a look but cant find a link. Both cases seem to provide a defence for bad tackling!

Edit: It was Canada, YouTube Link

.ak

Buer wrote: »

I've watched it a few times and I genuinely won't be surprised if he gets a suspension for it. I will completely disagree with it but he leads with his forearm and makes contact with Davies' head. The reason he makes contact, however, is that Davies makes a complete balls of the tackle attempt.

Te'o doesn't have his arm high and has his arm in front of him in a fending motion to protect the ball. The below picture shows just how poor Davies was positionally. I would say about about 30-40% of players taking contact brace their arm in front of them as they go into a tackle. If they lead with the elbow or carry it high where it might well do damage, then it's fair enough.

This was poor defending and that's why he got hurt.

I get where you're coming from, but it sets a strange precedent. Basically, it would be the same as citing/banning someone who's knee makes contact with someone's head because they go in for a chop tackle. The tackler has to protect their own body also. He got his head on the wrong side and also left it too late to go low. T'eo's arm is not raised.

sydthebeat

total former wrote: »

Did the TMO not agree that it was OK though?

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dont think so, derek bevan (tmo) says "its a stiff arm to the head" and then lacey says "im happy that theres nothing in it" or something to that effect then the tmo says ok...

i think the tmo though there was something work taking action over


but red card it most certainly was not

Dravokivich

Lets get this straight:

- Can't flail arms wildly, potential risk to other players.
- Can't keep arms in towards your body, no risk to other players really unless they dive into the your arms.

So... are we meant to be wearing straight jackets?

.ak

We may just have to get rid of arms all together, just to be safe.

AdamD

That is a nonsense citing

AbusesToilets

A lot pundits complaining about T'eo's brace in relation to this incident, somehow missing that he fends with his left arm. To my eyes, the tackler is at fault here, he'd be hard pressed to get into a worse tackling position if he tried.

Peregrine

Terrible position to put yourself in.

Dravokivich

Looking at that replay, it looks like he was trying to back out of the tackle, but t'eo side stepped to the left in order to avoid the tackle and ran into him anyway.

awec

That's a ridiculous citing. Players are to be cited now when the tackler puts themselves in a dangerous situation?

Swiwi.

Buer wrote: »

TMO, Derek Bevan, said something along the lines of it being a player dangerously leading with the forearm.

Yup. Derek Bevan, from Swansea, believed it was dangerous.

Derek Bevan was one of the most ridiculously pedantic refs I've ever seen. Up there with Stuart Dickinson as refs I have no fond memories of. I would be very disappointed if Teo gets banned for that. I reckon it's pretty standard for players to brace themselves for a tackle by holding their forearm in front of their body.

Swan Curry

I thought fending was supposed to be with an open hand, not the point of your elbow?

It's not the most dangerous thing in the world but if it helps stop this trend of players using their forearms and elbows to strike the defender's head, I wouldn't be that fussed about it

sydthebeat

No one has used the point of an elbow here

S12b

It's not even the leading left arm that knocks Davies....its his body and right shoulder which flattened him!! There should be uproar if he's banned.

.ak

Swan Curry wrote: »

I thought fending was supposed to be with an open hand, not the point of your elbow?

It's not the most dangerous thing in the world but if it helps stop this trend of players using their forearms and elbows to strike the defender's head, I wouldn't be that fussed about it

You're allowed fend with the forearm, hand or shoulder/upper arm so long as you don't lead or strike towards the head area.

Elbow is a no no, as is pointed fingers. But teo didn't use his elbow.

.ak

No news must be good news on T'eo?

blackdog1

.ak wrote: »

No news must be good news on T'eo?

Does he have the same guys who deliberated on wilson and Marshall If so goodnight sunshine. Marshall ban is particularly ridiculous

ssaye2

ST Prices emailed now

The Lost Sheep

.ak wrote: »

No news must be good news on T'eo?

No ban but warned on future use of his forearm in the tackle.

ssaye2

After a PRO12 hearing today Ben Te'o has been warned as to future use of the forearm in the tackle but is free to play this weekend. #BenTeo

ktulu123

Have the prices of ST's gone up? Could of sworn mine was under €599 last year. Not arsed to look back :P

jacothelad

total former wrote: »

Did the TMO not agree that it was OK though?

Absolute worst case scenario, it was a penalty, I can't believe anyone would think it was a red card offence worthy of a citing.

But, IIRC, the Ospreys guy went down like a sack of spuds. In the incident Luke Marshall was cited for, the Scarlets guy also received treatment for a head injury - maybe they're reviewing all head injury incidents as a result of the recent concussion nonsense?

The Scarlet player was actually injured by the boot of his own player a millisec after Marshall's clipped him.

dregin

ktulu123 wrote: »

Have the prices of ST's gone up? Could of sworn mine was under €599 last year. Not arsed to look back :P

According to the moaning on FB , they have

Any idea when they'll be on public sale? Can current ST holders buy extra seats in the pre-sale? I can't remember...

vienne86

ssaye2 wrote: »

After a PRO12 hearing today Ben Te'o has been warned as to future use of the forearm in the tackle but is free to play this weekend. #BenTeo

Thank goodness sense has prevailed. Great we'll have him for this weekend.

chancer12

CatFromHue wrote: »

Conway is not the only one but has been fairly successful compared to others hyped up.

He is only 23, I think, too so is in a good position career wise at the moment.

Conway was also unfortunate with injury which is probably why Ringrose would be better developing at his own level rather than stepping up too quickly

.ak

LEINSTER:

15. Zane Kirchner
14. Fergus McFadden
13. Ben Te'o
12. Gordon D'Arcy
11. Luke Fitzgerald
10. Jimmy Gopperth
9. Eoin Reddan
1. Cian Healy
2. Sean Cronin
3. Marty Moore
4. Mike McCarthy
5. Kane Douglas
6. Rhys Ruddock CAPTAIN
7. Dominic Ryan
8. Jack Conan

16. Richardt Strauss
17. Michael Bent
18. Tadhg Furlong
19. Tom Denton
20. Josh van der Flier
21. Isaac Boss
22. Noel Reid
23. Dave Kearney

Referee: George Clancy (IRFU, 67th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Gwyn Morris, Chris Williams (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Jeff Mark (WRU)
TMO: Tim Hayes (WRU)


That's a strong, strong team.

bilston

.ak wrote: »

LEINSTER:

15. Zane Kirchner
14. Fergus McFadden
13. Ben Te'o
12. Gordon D'Arcy
11. Luke Fitzgerald
10. Jimmy Gopperth
9. Eoin Reddan
1. Cian Healy
2. Sean Cronin
3. Marty Moore
4. Mike McCarthy
5. Kane Douglas
6. Rhys Ruddock CAPTAIN
7. Dominic Ryan
8. Jack Conan

16. Richardt Strauss
17. Michael Bent
18. Tadhg Furlong
19. Tom Denton
20. Josh van der Flier
21. Isaac Boss
22. Noel Reid
23. Dave Kearney

Referee: George Clancy (IRFU, 67th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Gwyn Morris, Chris Williams (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Jeff Mark (WRU)
TMO: Tim Hayes (WRU)


That's a strong, strong team.

Feck that's some team for a mid Six Nations game, I'm a wee but jealous to tell you the truth...

I'm a little concerned Madigan isn't involved as that may be significant for other reasons.

.ak

bilston wrote: »

Feck that's some team for a mid Six Nations game, I'm a wee but jealous to tell you the truth...

I'm a little concerned Madigan isn't involved as that may be significant for other reasons.

Yeah strange... Perhaps the management don't want to risk him.

ssaye2

This pleases me, now please play to your potential and hopefully get the win.

S12b

bilston wrote: »

Feck that's some team for a mid Six Nations game, I'm a wee but jealous to tell you the truth...

I'm a little concerned Madigan isn't involved as that may be significant for other reasons.

I read yesterday he was kept in Ireland camp because they needed a 10 to run the drills. Sexton is expected to be fine so it will be Sexton and Madigan on bench again. Madigan was basically the only 10 available for the training session so his involvement this weekend had to be sacrificed.

ssaye2

15 Jordan Williams, 14 Harry Robinson, 13 Regan King, 12 Scott Williams, 11 Hadleigh Parkes, 10 Steven Shingler, 9 Aled Davies, 1 Phil John, 2 Ken Owens ©, 3 Peter Edwards, 4 George Earle, 5 Johan Snyman, 6 Lewis Rawlins, 7 James Davies, 8 John Barclay

Replacements: Ryan Elias, Wyn Jones, Jacobie Adriaanse, Jack Payne, Rory Pitman, Gareth Davies, Rhys Priestland, Adam Warren

Unavailable for selection: Liam Williams, Samson Lee, Jake Ball, Rob Evans (international duty), Connor Lloyd (knee), Josh Lewis (shoulder), Richard Kelly (arm), Will Boyde (ankle), Emyr Phillips (shoulder), Rhodri Jones (shoulder), Kirby Myhill (pec), Steff Evans (hamstring), Steff Hughes (knee), Aaron Shingler (shoulder), Michael Tagicakibau (concussion), Phil Day (shoulder), Frazier Climo (leg)

ssaye2

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/13337.php#.VPmcB-E9ycs

"It is Healy's first start for Leinster since the opening day trip to Glasgow Warriors in September. "

.ak

That's a good scarlets team. Damn. Was hoping Rhys and Scott Williams wouldn't be released. Missing Ball, Lee and Shinglar is big tho.

scott1974

Garces is the referee for the quarter final

.ak

scott1974 wrote: »

Garces is the referee for the quarter final

We've had him a lot.

scott1974

We never seem to get Nigel for the big games anymore.

total former

Very strong team but a decent Scarlets side too. Won't be easy.

awec

Leinster by 15+.

ssaye2

awec wrote: »

Leinster by 15+.

Scarlets undefeated at home this season I think.

I would absolutely take any win the way we have being playing. Healy and Cronin will be a massive addition though.