Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

Buer

Gopperth's stock would still be very high in England. He was a machine in Newcastle during his time there, top points scorer in consecutive seasons. I think Goode was the onl It was mentioned on one of the podcasts (think it was Brian Moore) that bigger Premiership sides tried to lure him away several times. The fact that he has since been the starting outhalf at Leinster won't have diminished his market value at all.

Buer

vienne86 wrote: »

He has been a good servant to Leinster and to rugby. He deserves to make a nice salary for the final part of his career. Apart from being a good solid 10, he doesn't seem to get injured - bit like Stringer in that - so there could be a few years left in his career.

He holds the cards, to be honest. I'm sure there are others that would be interested. If it was a year later, Quins would be all over him too, I reckon.

I'd be quite surprised if there wasn't one or two offers on the table from either France or Japan also. He could make some serious cash in Japan whilst being only a single flight from home.

vienne86

Buer wrote: »

He holds the cards, to be honest. I'm sure there are others that would be interested. If it was a year later, Quins would be all over him too, I reckon.

I'd be quite surprised if there wasn't one or two offers on the table from either France or Japan also. He could make some serious cash in Japan whilst being only a single flight from home.

A good 10 is a very marketable commodity in England and in France. And 300K from Wasps sounds like a good offer to me.

crisco10

vienne86 wrote: »

A good 10 is a very marketable commodity in England and in France. And 300K from Wasps sounds like a good offer to me.

Yup. He is toward the top of the pile of "2nd Class" outhalves, no doubt. Strong performances and record with Newcastle. Then has come to Leinster, won a league title scoring a whole bunch of points and is still starting when fit for us this season.

Flipper22

Has it been confirmed that Gopperth is going then?

Neil3030

Personally, I'd like to keep Jimmy and let Madigan go to Connacht to be the out-and-out 10.

justsomebloke

On a selfish note truthfully without a third choice 10 we ideally should be trying to keep all 3 with Madigan being a utility player. Some people may want him to be just a 10 but we just don't have the quality in our backs for him to be just a 10 and the playing time both Madigan and Gopperth are having to put in this season just isn't sustainable if we just swap Sexton for Gopperth.

former legend

Flipper22 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that Gopperth is going then?

Not confirmed, it was reported in The Rugby Paper last weekend.

Neil3030 wrote:

Personally, I'd like to keep Jimmy and let Madigan go to Connacht to be the out-and-out 10.

It's mad how often Connacht keeps popping up in this discussion. Madigan won't go near them, even if Gopperth stays on.

Teferi

former legend wrote: »

It's mad how often Connacht keeps popping up in this discussion. Madigan won't go near them, even if Gopperth stays on.

If by the end of the season Connacht can stay in the top half of the league it be a different story but I think Madigan would be looking at a pretty decent offer in England/France if he chose to leave Leinster. It depends how much he values his international career I suppose. We don't exactly exclude players who play outside Ireland but I think any 50/50 calls will go to the Irish based player.

I don't think Madigan will leave Leinster though.

awec

He has another year on his contract, no?

Teferi

Yep, another year anyway.

SaveOurLyric

Neil3030 wrote: »

Personally, I'd like to keep Jimmy and let Madigan go to Connacht to be the out-and-out 10.

I'd keep them both.
Mads to Con would be madness from his point of view. And probably Irish rugby's as well. Surely playing in a top level team against the top competition is what he needs, not stepping down to lower grade team mates and being out of the european cup.
And for Leinster, they are a long way from solving the centre change of the guard. Madigan is a serious option there.

thomond2006

I think Noel Reid will be Leinster's 12 next season, assuming D'Arcy retires.

justsomebloke wrote: »

On a selfish note truthfully without a third choice 10 we ideally should be trying to keep all 3 with Madigan being a utility player. Some people may want him to be just a 10 but we just don't have the quality in our backs for him to be just a 10 and the playing time both Madigan and Gopperth are having to put in this season just isn't sustainable if we just swap Sexton for Gopperth.

If £300k is indeed on the table for Wasps then there's no way Leinster can match that. Aside from that would you really want Leinster spending the same wages when Gopperth could be third choice next year?

Quint2010

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think Noel Reid will be Leinster's 12 next season, assuming D'Arcy retires.



If £300k is indeed on the table for Wasps then there's no way Leinster can match that. Aside from that would you really want Leinster spending the same wages when Gopperth could be third choice next year?

If he can get €380k a year in England good luck to him. Dont think he is worth that personally. I think he's been kind of patchy for Leinster in his time here. While his execution his quite good his decision making is poor enough and his goal kicking not quite up to scratch.

Buer

Not too sure where the idea that his goal kicking isn't up to scratch came from?

He was very slightly higher than Madigan last season (around 79% I think) and, off the top of my head, he's something like 5 from 6 this season.

sydthebeat

Buer wrote: »

Not too sure where the idea that his goal kicking isn't up to scratch came from?

He was very slightly higher than Madigan last season (around 79% I think) and, off the top of my head, he's something like 5 from 6 this season.

i would just think its based on short memories.

Madigans return this season is excellent which is keeping Jimmy away from the tee, but last season, as you say, jimmys return was better.

armchaircoach

Buer wrote: »

Not too sure where the idea that his goal kicking isn't up to scratch came from?

He was very slightly higher than Madigan last season (around 79% I think) and, off the top of my head, he's something like 5 from 6 this season.

His kicking stats will look good as he will never be allowed have a bad kicking game(ie the kicking tee will be given to madds, and vice versa)

Quint2010

What I mean is he has the tendency to miss straightforward goal kicks. Am think of Glasgow this year in particular. Missed one in the first half that essentially cost us the game.

former legend

Quint2010 wrote: »

What I mean is he has the tendency to miss straightforward goal kicks. Am think of Glasgow this year in particular. Missed one in the first half that essentially cost us the game.

Ah, there were a lot of things that cost us that game, Gopperth's goal kicking was not one. That's like blaming Sexton for not beating NZ last year.

He's a very good kicker.

Neil3030

I think people are being a bit harsh on Connacht here.

In Madigan's eyes, he is a 10. And if he stays at Leinster he will be a 22.

So if he wants to cut it as a 10, he needs to leave Leinster next season. And Irish rugby would be very well serviced, having Marmion, Henshaw, Madigan and Aki playing together consistently.

LostArt

Sure Marmion will be at Leinster by then anyway.

Buer

armchaircoach wrote: »

His kicking stats will look good as he will never be allowed have a bad kicking game(ie the kicking tee will be given to madds, and vice versa)

Last season, they rarely shared the pitch. Whoever started outhalf was kicking the goals so both had some bad games last season. When they did share the field, whoever started kicking continued to do so, generally.

Buer

LostArt wrote: »

Sure Marmion will be at Leinster by then anyway.

It will lead to a meltdown but, if Connacht fail to gain ECC rugby in the next two seasons, I think Marmion will very strongly consider an offer from the other provinces.

I expect Reddan to sign on for another season at the end of which Marmion's contract will be coming to an end.

LostArt

Buer wrote: »

It will lead to a meltdown but, if Connacht fail to gain ECC rugby in the next two seasons, I think Marmion will very strongly consider an offer from the other provinces.

I expect Reddan to sign on for another season at the end of which Marmion's contract will be coming to an end.

Yep, I would be very surprised if Leinster didn't make him an offer when Reddan retires.

vienne86

Leinster would do well to try to get their hands on Marmion. Our first and second choice are getting on a bit, and in the case of Boss, some of the performances have been poor. Unless McGrath learns to pass properly, we will be in urgent need of a scrum half......of course there is Cooney, who seems to be back in action with Terenure and Connacht. He needs a good run without injuries.

Hagz

I'd rather not get Marmion. If we are in the market for a scrum-half, there will surely be better ones available after the world cup. And I'd rather Marmion stay put at Connacht. Which he has chosen to do as his contract extends to 2016.

Tox56

vienne86 wrote: »

Leinster would do well to try to get their hands on Marmion. Our first and second choice are getting on a bit, and in the case of Boss, some of the performances have been poor. Unless McGrath learns to pass properly, we will be in urgent need of a scrum half......of course there is Cooney, who seems to be back in action with Terenure and Connacht. He needs a good run without injuries.

Would definitely like to see more of Cooney, hes quick and strong with a nice pass, he could surely be turned into a good Pro12 standard player at the very least

former legend

Sorry to be a downer, but I'd be surprised if Cooney makes it to Pro12 standard. He's always looked OK but he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth over in Connacht and is now behind Porter and Blade in the pecking order. I know he was injured at the start of the season but AFAIK he's been fit for a good while now?

Hagz

In fairness Connacht are probably more inclined to go with players like Porter and Blade on the bench who are there for more than one year rather than go with Cooney who is a short term loan. I'd say as the season goes on and the pressure starts to mount they'll use Cooney a bit more. I think they took him in because they were preparing for the possibility of Marmion being away on international duty. Cooney is definitley Pro 12 standard and he's shown that with Leinster.

Stainalert

Hagz wrote: »

In fairness Connacht are probably more inclined to go with players like Porter and Blade on the bench who are there for more than one year rather than go with Cooney who is a short term loan. I'd say as the season goes on and the pressure starts to mount they'll use Cooney a bit more. I think they took him in because they were preparing for the possibility of Marmion being away on international duty. Cooney is definitley Pro 12 standard and he's shown that with Leinster.

Cooney much better than Porter - no comparison. Would be foolish for Connacht to show loyalty to an inferior player - no room for that in professional game. Cooney just needs a run of games to show what he can do. If Connacht are not prepared to play him than they should never have requested transfer in first place. Waste of everyone's time. Gilsenan last season was similar.

The Pheasant2

I don't think we'll ever see Madigan go west tbh. That said, I would be very interested to see how he'd get on starting 10 week in week out with Marmion inside him and Aki and Henshaw outside him

vienne86

Stainalert wrote: »

Cooney much better than Porter - no comparison. Would be foolish for Connacht to show loyalty to an inferior player - no room for that in professional game. Cooney just needs a run of games to show what he can do. If Connacht are not prepared to play him than they should never have requested transfer in first place. Waste of everyone's time. Gilsenan last season was similar.

Yes, assuming Cooney is now fully recovered, he needs game time. Did he play for Terenure last night?

Podge_irl

Cooney had all the physical attributes necessary to be a very good scrum half and his pass is a lot better than McGraths. However his decision making remains ropey. He makes quick decisions at ruck time, whic is good, but they're often glaringly wrong. I've seen him ignore a four man overlap to pop a blindside ball to a static forward.

He looks a lot better on TV than in real life to me as you often can't see the opportunities he misses. Maybe more game time will solve that problem but he's not getting it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Reember the le roux to leinster as a project player a couple of seasons ago.

There were lads here who claimed le roux wasn't good enough.

Morf

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Reember the le roux to leinster as a project player a couple of seasons ago.

There were lads here who claimed le roux wasn't good enough.

That was all A.K. wishful thinking with that rumour.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Morf wrote: »

That was all A.K. wishful thinking with that rumour.

Ibf actually but a lot were saying he wouldn't be good enough for Leinster.

DGRulz

And then Kirchner was signed and even more people said the same, proving, if anything, that most of us, like Jon Snow, know nothing. :P

vienne86

We get it wrong sometimes. The first time I saw Isa playing - at 10 - I thought he should be shipped straight back to NZ.

.ak

Morf wrote: »

That was all A.K. wishful thinking with that rumour.

He broke my heart once. But not today...

vienne86

vienne86 wrote: »

We get it wrong sometimes. The first time I saw Isa playing - at 10 - I thought he should be shipped straight back to NZ.

I'd seen quite a lot of him in the S14 and I was fuppin' delighted when Leinster signed him, but he was used so badly in his first season. What a player though, what a bloody player.

seanl90

Prop
Ed Byrne - inactive, rumoured to be injured.
Peter Dooley - inactive.
Hooker
Bryan Byrne - inactive.
Lock
Tadhg Beirne - injured.
Gavin Thornbury - bench for UCD
Ross Molony - started for UCD at 4
Backrow
Jordan Coghlan - inactive.
Josh Van Der Flier - inactive.
Dan Leavy - inactive.
Peadar Timmins - started for UCD at 8
Scrumhalf
Nick McCarthy - started for UCD at 9, 1 try.
Outhalf
Cathal Marsh - started for St. Marys at 10, 1 try.
Ross Byrne - started for UCD at 10, 1 con.
Centre
Steve Crosbie -started for Old Belvo at 10.
Tom Daly - started for Lansdowne at 12.
Tom Farrell - started for Lansdowne at 13, 2 tries.
Rory O'Loughlin - started for Old Belvo at 13.
Gary Ringrose - started for UCD at 13.
Harrison Brewer - injured.
Back Three
Adam Byrne - started for UCD at 11.
Ian Fitzpatrick - injured.
Cian Kelleher - started for Lansdowne at 14, 1 try.
Billy Dardis - started for UCD at 15.

Sub-academy - Josh Murphy started for UCD at 6, Oisin Heffernan started for Terenure at 3, Nick Timoney started for Marys at 8, David O'Connor started for Marys at 4, Conor Oliver started for Marys at 7, Charlie Rock started for Old Belvo at 9.

Stainalert

seanl90 wrote: »

Prop
Ed Byrne - inactive, rumoured to be injured.
Peter Dooley - inactive.
Hooker
Bryan Byrne - inactive.
Lock
Tadhg Beirne - injured.
Gavin Thornbury - bench for UCD
Ross Molony - started for UCD at 4
Backrow
Jordan Coghlan - inactive.
Josh Van Der Flier - inactive.
Dan Leavy - inactive.
Peadar Timmins - started for UCD at 8
Scrumhalf
Nick McCarthy - started for UCD at 9, 1 try.
Outhalf
Cathal Marsh - started for St. Marys at 10, 1 try.
Ross Byrne - started for UCD at 10, 1 con.
Centre
Steve Crosbie -started for Old Belvo at 10.
Tom Daly - started for Lansdowne at 12.
Tom Farrell - started for Lansdowne at 13, 2 tries.
Rory O'Loughlin - started for Old Belvo at 13.
Gary Ringrose - started for UCD at 13.
Harrison Brewer - injured.
Back Three
Adam Byrne - started for UCD at 11.
Ian Fitzpatrick - injured.
Cian Kelleher - started for Lansdowne at 14, 1 try.
Billy Dardis - started for UCD at 15.

Sub-academy - Josh Murphy started for UCD at 6, Oisin Heffernan started for Terenure at 3, Nick Timoney started for Marys at 8, David O'Connor started for Marys at 4, Conor Oliver started for Marys at 7, Charlie Rock started for Old Belvo at 9.

Matt O'Connor has blocked all his front row forwards from playing with clubs as with intl call ups and injuries he is worried about his front row options diminishing even further

seanl90

Stainalert wrote: »

Matt O'Connor has blocked all his front row forwards from playing with clubs as with intl call ups and injuries he is worried about his front row options diminishing even further

well the only healthy players are; McGrath, Ross, Bent, Furlong & Dooley. I think.

vienne86

Stainalert wrote: »

Matt O'Connor has blocked all his front row forwards from playing with clubs as with intl call ups and injuries he is worried about his front row options diminishing even further

I can see his point, but pity they are not getting game time.

molloyjh

Someone mentioned to me today that Ed Byrne is injured at the moment. Anyone else hear anything on that? Apparently some sort of shoulder injury.

vienne86

molloyjh wrote: »

Someone mentioned to me today that Ed Byrne is injured at the moment. Anyone else hear anything on that? Apparently some sort of shoulder injury.

I only saw it in another post.......another prop - feck it anyway.

seanl90

molloyjh wrote: »

Someone mentioned to me today that Ed Byrne is injured at the moment. Anyone else hear anything on that? Apparently some sort of shoulder injury.

heard it was his knee

phog

molloyjh wrote: »

Someone mentioned to me today that Ed Byrne is injured at the moment. Anyone else hear anything on that? Apparently some sort of shoulder injury.

Saw it on Twitter but only from a Joe Public so nothing really confirming it.

molloyjh

Yeah it was just mentioned to me by someone who knows someone who knows his family so wasn't sure if it was true. Looks like it is though. Damn it, what is the deal with injured props this season!?

awec

Cian Healy seems to have lost about three inches off his waistline. Is this sort of weight loss desirable for a prop?