Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

.ak

kingofthekong wrote: »

Yes lack of opportunity with the senior squad ( wich MOC coaches) not the A team , which part of that are you struggling with exactly

Please be more civil in your posts.

Hagz

kingofthekong wrote: »

Yes a shot ahead of him playing centre , crosbie has all the ability in the world but maybe isn't their physically yet , Farrell deserves a shot

But Crosbie isn't getting a shot ahead of him at centre. Crosbie has been getting a shot ahead of him in the 22 slot. There's a difference. The 22 slot is generally reserved for the replacement out-half, but given that Madigan and Gopperth have been starting simultaneously there's been more scope to put someone there who isn't an out-half. So why Crosbie over Farrell? Same reason as to why it's been Crosbie over Marsh. Cathal Marsh is strictly a 10. Tom Farrell is strictly a 13. Crosbie has displayed an ability to play 10,12 and 15. He is thus a more valuable bench option.

kingofthekong

Hagz wrote: »

But Crosbie isn't getting a shot ahead of him at centre. Crosbie has been getting a shot ahead of him in the 22 slot. There's a difference. The 22 slot is generally reserved for the replacement out-half, but given that Madigan and Gopperth have been starting simultaneously there's been more scope to put someone there who isn't an out-half. So why Crosbie over Farrell? Same reason as to why it's been Crosbie over Marsh. Cathal Marsh is strictly a 10. Tom Farrell is strictly a 13. Crosbie has displayed an ability to play 10,12 and 15. He is thus a more valuable bench option.

Very good point I agree , most centres these days need to be able to play more then one position it seems to get game time (henshaw,Payne,olding etc) , still think theirs room to give Farrell a try regardless , especially considering Teo is now injured aswell

former legend

kingofthekong wrote: »

Yes a shot ahead of him playing centre , crosbie has all the ability in the world but maybe isn't their physically yet , Farrell deserves a shot

Fair enough, I'm not sure exactly what you mean though, so
1) A shot for the A team or for the Seniors?
2) What is the basis for deserving a shot? AIL?

Hagz

The other 3 provinces (specifically Munster) would be smart to monitor the 3 outside centres in Leinster's academy. They are all good prospects with the ability to be successful at senior level. But with them being a year apart in age with Farrell the oldest and Ringrose the youngest, naturally one and possibly even two will lose out.

kingofthekong

Hagz wrote: »

The other 3 provinces (specifically Munster) would be smart to monitor the 3 outside centres in Leinster's academy. They are all good prospects with the ability to be successful at senior level. But with them being a year apart in age with Farrell the oldest and Ringrose the youngest, naturally one and possibly even two will lose out.

Was fairly disappointed to see the South African guy being flown in to fill the hole , think theirs plenty of good centres in the country that could have done a job their , especially considering the guy is only 22 himself

kingofthekong

kingofthekong wrote: »

Was fairly disappointed to see the South African guy being flown in to fill the hole , think theirs plenty of good centres in the country that could have done a job their , especially considering the guy is only 22 himself

With munster that is..

kingofthekong

former legend wrote: »

Fair enough, I'm not sure exactly what you mean though, so
1) A shot for the A team or for the Seniors?
2) What is the basis for deserving a shot? AIL?

Yes both ail and A's , I'm struggling to find highlights of games on YouTube to back up my point, here's one of him getting 2 tries against Mary's (opposition standard considered) , first one at 1.58 the second at the end , I'm not allowed to post the link but its on irish rugbys YouTube account st.marys vs landsdowne

jm08

kingofthekong wrote: »

Was fairly disappointed to see the South African guy being flown in to fill the hole , think theirs plenty of good centres in the country that could have done a job their , especially considering the guy is only 22 himself

Maybe, but they probably can't change club/province if they have already been registered/played in the PRO12/H Cup for another team in the same season & league.

kingofthekong

jm08 wrote: »

Maybe, but they probably can't change club/province if they have already been registered/played in the PRO12/H Cup for another team in the same season & league.

Most of the academy guys I'm talking about wont be registered to their provinces pro12 teams which is kind of my point, with the lack of opportunity for these guys

former legend

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/12860.php

Dave Kearney, Jordi Murphy, Fergus McFadden and Shane Jennings have all trained well this week and are available for selection

Sweet.

Moore is back in light training, Ed Byrne confirmed out for the rest of the season though.

molloyjh

former legend wrote: »

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/12860.php



Sweet.

Moore is back in light training, Ed Byrne confirmed out for the rest of the season though.

I'd heard about Byrne being injured. Didn't realise it was that serious. Really feel for the guy as he was looking good for us.

vienne86

former legend wrote: »

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/12860.php



Sweet.

Moore is back in light training, Ed Byrne confirmed out for the rest of the season though.

It's a shame about Ed Byrne - another prop bites the dust. Good news about Moore recovering, and the others who are now available....should have a nice team for this weekend.

Zzippy

jm08 wrote: »

Maybe, but they probably can't change club/province if they have already been registered/played in the PRO12/H Cup for another team in the same season & league.

They can play for 2 clubs in the one season, provided the move happens before the 20th of March. Geoff Cross moved from Glasgow to Edinburgh on a short-term deal last season. Quinn Roux is on a loan deal with Connacht til January, after which he may return to Leinster.

http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2014/03/rabodirect-pro12-geoff-cross-joins-glasgow-from-edinburgh/

vienne86

vienne86 wrote: »

It's a shame about Ed Byrne - another prop bites the dust. Good news about Moore recovering, and the others who are now available....should have a nice team for this weekend.

Yeah we have a good pool to draw from. Moore being almost back is important as he will need a good few matches to get some conditioning on board before the six nations. I could see him playing a greater part in this years six nations than last years.

Podge_irl

Don't think they can play for two teams in Europe though can they?

stephen_n

justsomebloke wrote: »

I can get 3G and 4G on my phone if that is any help to anyone

clearly not with Vodafone then

Hagz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY2HH7CS574

Putinovsky

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

vienne86

Putinovsky wrote: »

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

My worst fears.

Journeyman_1

Putinovsky wrote: »

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

There have been whisperings of this in the last few weeks or so, it's awful awful news if so. To lose both him and Ferris within a year would be nothing short of tragic for the game of rugby imo.

errlloyd

Putinovsky wrote: »

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

Of course there are doubts. If you get your tonsils removed their are doubts you will survive the operation. Your doctor, the ultimate reliable source, will warn you of this.

Putinovsky

errlloyd wrote: »

Of course there are doubts. If you get your tonsils removed their are doubts you will survive the operation. Your doctor, the ultimate reliable source, will warn you of this.

As in it's more likely that he won't play again rather than will.

vienne86

It would be awful for us, but for Sean himself, it would be devastating.

thomond2006

First Wally*, then Ferris and now possibly SOB?

*albeit he was near retirement anyway

errlloyd

thomond2006 wrote: »

First Wally*, then Ferris and now possibly SOB?

*albeit he was near retirement anyway

Leamy too.

irishbucsfan

Yeah the rumours have been going around. The same rumours went around about D'Arcy, POC and Kearney. Players have overcome those rumours before, I really hope the same will happen this time.

S12b

Now this is versatile, plays tighthead and fullback!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2n__lsbCs0&feature=youtu.be

shuffol

S12b wrote: »

Now this is versatile, plays tighthead and fullback!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2n__lsbCs0&feature=youtu.be

Like's playing with 3 on his back.

thebaz

Putinovsky wrote: »

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

hopefully just rumours - there were similar rumours about POC and he is back to his best .

I never thought I'd see Strauss play again, never mind play for Ireland , as for playing well.

Wish sean all the best , and hope he can return to the game , it will be very sad if he has to retire so young.

vienne86

thebaz wrote: »

hopefully just rumours - there were similar rumours about POC and he is back to his best .

I never thought I'd see Strauss play again, never mind play for Ireland , as for playing well.

Wish sean all the best , and hope he can return to the game , it will be very sad if he has to retire so young.

Actually your reminders of POC and Strauss are timely for me - I had written both of the off. Here's hoping.

1StradBROOK

Putinovsky wrote: »

I've just been informed by a very reliable source that there are doubts whether Sean O'Brien will ever return to play. Very bad news if correct.

I've always known these blow-ins who step in in front of seasoned schools players like Sean O'Brien did to Shane Jennings are there for tokenism. Don't these guys have self-respect and respect for men who have carried a nation on their shoulders and step back away having not attended trials etc. Can't say I see this as a shame at all - really a case of the truth coming out after some time for the better and good of the token "youths" players and for the game itself really.

Pudsy33

1StradBROOK wrote: »

I've always known these blow-ins who step in in front of seasoned schools players like Sean O'Brien did to Shane Jennings are there for tokenism. Don't these guys have self-respect and respect for men who have carried a nation on their shoulders and step back away having not attended trials etc. Can't say I see this as a shame at all - really a case of the truth coming out after some time for the better and good of the token "youths" players and for the game itself really.

Sorry, what the **** is this?

The Lost Sheep

1StradBROOK wrote: »

I've always known these blow-ins who step in in front of seasoned schools players like Sean O'Brien did to Shane Jennings are there for tokenism. Don't these guys have self-respect and respect for men who have carried a nation on their shoulders and step back away having not attended trials etc. Can't say I see this as a shame at all - really a case of the truth coming out after some time for the better and good of the token "youths" players and for the game itself really.

:pac:
Though really what are you on about?

Bridge93

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/sean-obrien-shoulder-rehab-1764791-Nov2014/

Article from the Score two weeks ago.

clsmooth

vienne86 wrote: »

Actually your reminders of POC and Strauss are timely for me - I had written both of the off. Here's hoping.

Luke too with his neck.

thebaz

clsmooth wrote: »

Luke too with his neck.

Keith Wood made the '03 WC after terrible shouder issues - so with advancements in medicine I'd be confident our "token" Tullow native will be back (fingers crossed)

.ak

It really boils down the individual I take it. One thing sob has is his constitution so maybe he'll rehab well and play with it.

Neil3030

.ak wrote: »

It really boils down the individual I take it. One thing sob has is his constitution so maybe he'll rehab well and play with it.

Man I so wanna live in the country that follows the Sean O'Brien constitution... :pac:

lologram

Neil3030 wrote: »

Man I so wanna live in the country that follows the Sean O'Brien constitution... :pac:

Amendment 1: The right to bear arms.

sydthebeat

So with d Kearney, jordi, fmf and jenno all available for selection this weekend, I predict a decent performance over there and hopefully a try bp victory

vienne86

sydthebeat wrote: »

So with d Kearney, jordi, fmf and jenno all available for selection this weekend, I predict a decent performance over there and hopefully a try bp victory

Treviso away can be tricky enough usually, but they are not going at all well this season. Hopefully we won't be too rusty and can run in a BP win.

molloyjh

sydthebeat wrote: »

So with d Kearney, jordi, fmf and jenno all available for selection this weekend, I predict a decent performance over there and hopefully a try bp victory

The squad will be something like the below I'd imagine:

01. Bent
02. Byrne
03. Furlong
04. Denton
05. Douglas
06. Locky
07. Jenno
08. Murphy

09. Boss
10. Gopperth
11. Fitz
12. Reid
13. Macken
14. McFadden
15. Kirchner

16. Dundon
17. Dooley
18. Heffernan
19. Marshall
20. Conan
21. L McGrath
22. Crosbie
23. D Kearney

The big issue being a few of the guys returning are short on match fitness so we might see the likes of Conan start ahead of Murphy on the bench. I'd expect Fitz, Ferg and Dave to feature in the 23, but Fanning could just as easily be in ahead of one of those. He's played a lot of minutes but has just gotten 3 weeks off too.

former legend

molloyjh wrote: »

The big issue being a few of the guys returning are short on match fitness so we might see the likes of Conan start ahead of Murphy on the bench. I'd expect Fitz, Ferg and Dave to feature in the 23, but Fanning could just as easily be in ahead of one of those. He's played a lot of minutes but has just gotten 3 weeks off too.

Yeah, I'd say similar to you, except maybe McFadden to bench ahead of Crosbie given Reid can provide cover at 10, and Fanning to start.

molloyjh

former legend wrote: »

Yeah, I'd say similar to you, except maybe McFadden to bench ahead of Crosbie given Reid can provide cover at 10, and Fanning to start.

Not sure MOC sees Reid as 10 cover, but it's possible.

I still don't think we're going to see anything vintage here. There will be rust and Treviso will make it a slog. I don't care as long as we get the win tbh. I see Sky have this one. A real glamour fixture! Surprised they didn't go with Ulster-Ospreys.

vienne86

molloyjh wrote: »

Not sure MOC sees Reid as 10 cover, but it's possible.

I still don't think we're going to see anything vintage here. There will be rust and Treviso will make it a slog. I don't care as long as we get the win tbh. I see Sky have this one. A real glamour fixture! Surprised they didn't go with Ulster-Ospreys.

I don't think many of us would see Reid as 10 cover! I think this could be an error strewn affair, with everyone rusty, but if we grind out a BP win, I don't care how we get it. We need this one.

former legend

molloyjh wrote: »

Not sure MOC sees Reid as 10 cover, but it's possible.

I'd probably feel safer with Reid covering at 10 than Crosbie tbh. I'd really love to see Marsh get a shot.

molloyjh wrote: »

I still don't think we're going to see anything vintage here. There will be rust and Treviso will make it a slog. I don't care as long as we get the win tbh. I see Sky have this one. A real glamour fixture! Surprised they didn't go with Ulster-Ospreys.

This is just a bonus fixture; it was arranged when there was no TV deal in place for Italy.
Sky choosing to show Ulster v Ospreys would have meant playing it on Saturday evening after the Ireland game, and Ulster probably wouldn't have been too happy about that.

molloyjh

former legend wrote: »

I'd probably feel safer with Reid covering at 10 than Crosbie tbh. I'd really love to see Marsh get a shot.



This is just a bonus fixture; it was arranged when there was no TV deal in place for Italy.
Sky choosing to show Ulster v Ospreys would have meant playing it on Saturday evening after the Ireland game, and Ulster probably wouldn't have been too happy about that.

Ditto on Marsh.

Also didn't think about the timings of the games vs internationals...

Heroditas

A 3-0 win for us with no injuries will do nicely - get a load of lads back playing ahead of the next three weeks which are absolutely huge!
Actually, scrap that, the next month and a bit is another make-or-break section of the season.
If we string together wins, we'll nearly have the European group sewn up and be in a very strong position in the league.

ssaye2

BOD has had a son

Amen

www.independent.ie/irish-news/bod-ii-brian-and-amy-have-a-new-baby-billy-odriscoll-30760999.html

BOD