If the UK asked Ireland to rejoin the Union, how would you vote?

voz es

We never Joined the union in the first place it's a poorly worded question, to Join the British Union would be a resounding no from me. I have no problem with modern day Britian, as a neighboring Island, trading partner and indeed there are lots of really cool places and very nice people. But an Irish Republic is a far better Idea.

I do admire the way the British every day working person have such open pride of their flag. I'm still waiting for the BMW Mini o be offered with the Tricolor on the roof.

Donkey Oaty

voz es wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the BMW Mini o be offered with the Tricolor on the roof.

If you Google "CC86525" it will bring up details of where you can buy a Corgi model of that.

Jawgap

Karl Stein wrote: »

That's a very silly response.

......quite in keeping with the bulk of the posts in this thread then

Jawgap

AnLonDubh wrote: »

My intention wasn't to catch you out, only to discuss.


I didn't "defeat" you, you just had some of the linguistic history slightly incorrect.
The source didn't "defeat" you either, you just said it made a claim that it didn't.

Honestly, if you perceive an argument as in terms of "beating" or "winning" and getting sarcastic when you "lose", it is difficult to have a productive discussion.

To be honest the thread exceeded my attention span.

Well done.

Enjoy the adulation of your 6 legionaries - no doubt they are already fashioning your Grass Crown for subduing 'Carthage.'

FunLover18

voz es wrote: »

I do admire the way the British every day working person have such open pride of their flag. I'm still waiting for the BMW Mini o be offered with the Tricolor on the roof.

The problem arises when someone asks why you have the Ivory Coast flag on the roof of your car

AnLonDubh

Jawgap wrote: »

To be honest the thread exceeded my attention span.

Well done.
Well done on what, the thread exceeding your attention span? I was just discussing something with you.

Enjoy the adulation of your 6 legionaries - no doubt they are already fashioning your Grass Crown for subduing 'Carthage.'

Fair enough. Again I was only having a discussion, I think you should take minor corrections with a bit more grace. Any of us could make a minor mistake.

Jawgap

AnLonDubh wrote: »

Fair enough. Again I was only having a discussion, I think you should take minor corrections with a bit more grace. Any of us could make a minor mistake.

To be honest, it's After Hours - it's to rational discussion what a hen house is to civilised debate.

Yes, I could go back and revise my argument and even dig into the material in more detail and come up with both a revised and more sophisticated one, but to what end? It's an area of history that is interesting, but not of immediate concern to me, nor is it likely to be.

These threads are nice distractions, but they unfold with the predictability of a French infantry column.

on the river

Jawgap wrote: »

To be honest, it's After Hours - it's to rational discussion what a hen house is to civilised debate.

Yes, I could go back and revise my argument and even dig into the material in more detail and come up with both a revised and more sophisticated one, but to what end? It's an area of history that is interesting, but not of immediate concern to me, nor is it likely to be.

These threads are nice distractions, but they unfold with the predictability of a French infantry column.

Once you engage in debate you must be able to take the hits from other members exposing of your posts.

A distraction can turn into addiction so BEWARE!

Jawgap

on the river wrote: »

Once you engage in debate you must be able to take the hits from other members exposing of your posts.

A distraction can turn into addiction so BEWARE!

I've no problem taking hits. But there's a difference between arguing with an informed commentator and the pub bore.

This is AH - it's where the equivalent of the pub bores predominate. And as much an all as I enjoy the pub, sooner or later you've got go step back into the real world.

marienbad

Jawgap wrote: »

I've no problem taking hits. But there's a difference between arguing with an informed commentator and the pub bore.

This is AH - it's where the equivalent of the pub bores predominate. And as much an all as I enjoy the pub, sooner or later you've got go step back into the real world.

Fair play to you on such self knowledge , but I wouldn't go so far as to call you the pub bore .

Jawgap

marienbad wrote: »

Fair play to you on such self knowledge , but I wouldn't go so far as to call you the pub bore .

Actually 'pedant' is the label that usually gets attached to me - but I'm happy enough to go with 'pub bore' (in the vernacular, as it were).

tipptom

Jawgap wrote: »

To be honest, it's After Hours - it's to rational discussion what a hen house is to civilised debate.

Yes, I could go back and revise my argument and even dig into the material in more detail and come up with both a revised and more sophisticated one, but to what end? It's an area of history that is interesting, but not of immediate concern to me, nor is it likely to be.

These threads are nice distractions, but they unfold with the predictability of a French infantry column.

Yep,like you do on all history to serve your "Irish bad English good" mantra.


You got your ass handed to you in a hammock with your lies and boastful bullsh*t about your top class education compared to the rest of us illiterate Croppies and any dignity that you just may have had in the first place is disappearing fast with your further splutterings about you being to intellectually superior to play with us any more and it is all becoming boring for you.


It all seemed to be of immediate concern to you a few posts back until you were called out on it.

Jawgap

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,like you do on all history to serve your "Irish bad English good" mantra.


You got your ass handed to you in a hammock with your lies and boastful bullsh*t about your top class education compared to the rest of us illiterate Croppies and any dignity that you just may have had in the first place is disappearing fast with your further splutterings about you being to intellectually superior to play with us any more and it is all becoming boring for you.


It all seemed to be of immediate concern to you a few posts back until you were called out on it.

Seriously?

iirc I was the only one to highlight the specific details of how strong our economy is relative to the UK; along with the great canon of literature we've produced, the actors and the musicians.

I also referenced how the Irish have a great tradition of politically dominating any political or administrative system they've participated in. Also, if the structure I suggested (federal republic) was put in place I think I made a convincing argument for it's domination by the Irish and Scots - particularly in relation to foreign policy.

I introduced into the thread the notion of Brehon Law (highlighting it's superiority in relation to the Common Law) - I think I missed where the great champion debaters of this thread seized on something as pivotal as this in defining Gaelic Ireland?? Sorry if I did - maybe you could provide a link to that post?

Yes, I compared the NHS (based on subjective reasons), local government services and the business culture in the UK unfavourably with their Irish counterparts.

But aside from all of the above - you got me! Well done on calling me out on my "Irish bad English good" mantra..........because that's clearly a theme of what I've been writing.

Smiles35

****e thread, whole nation disapoints. And all of our 'O'forign' posters, who could have expanded it out for us, disgusted.

Jawgap

tipptom wrote: »

Yep,like you do on all history to serve your "Irish bad English good" mantra.


You got your ass handed to you in a hammock with your lies and boastful bullsh*t about your top class education compared to the rest of us illiterate Croppies and any dignity that you just may have had in the first place is disappearing fast with your further splutterings about you being to intellectually superior to play with us any more and it is all becoming boring for you.


It all seemed to be of immediate concern to you a few posts back until you were called out on it.

btw - the Croppies weren't as illiterate as you make out. No doubt, by modern standards, there were significant numbers who could either not read or write or only read or write badly.

"........we now know more about popular culture. O'Ciosain finds ‘ substantial literacy’ among males by the late eighteenth century; with Dublin (Catholic) printers supplying the rural book market the effect was "culturally anglicising but politically catholicising."

The Jacobitism already noted percolated down to the lower classes through cheap editions of works such as Hugh Reily's "Ireland 's case briely stated" (1695), which displayed little interest in Gaelic culture but contained an anti-Protestant edge.

In such ways the idea of dispossession, too, spread down the social scale. By the end of the century reading rooms, aimed at the skilled artisan class, were beginning to appear, and the practice of reading aloud helped bridge the gap between oral and literary culture.

It is claimed that as early as 1792-3 the activities of the Catholic committee in support of political rights were having a politicizing effect on Catholics from the lower classes.*)

This calls in question Lecky's description of the Defenders as drawn from a class "sunk in the deepest ignorance," and provides a context for David Dickson's analysis of the impact of the works of Tom Paine, and other studies that demonstrate the flow of printed material from Dublin and Belfast, and the demand for newspapers.

There is general agreement that the United Irishmen were excellent communicators, using a variety of genres including ballads, oaths, and catechisms, and tailoring their message to local circumstances."

from.....JACQUELINE HILL (2001). CONVERGENCE AND CONFLICT IN EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY IRELAND. The Historical Journal, 44, pp 1039-1063.

Karl Stein

Jawgap wrote: »

btw - the Croppies...........

You're going to wear out that shoe-horn.

Jawgap

Karl Stein wrote: »

You're going to wear out that shoe-horn.

You don't see the Croppies as part of - or an Irish manifestation of - a tradition usually taken to include the Levellers, the Sans-Culottes, and the Sons of Liberty?

Wasn't Paine declared an honorary United Irishman?

Lucy and Harry

As down the glen one Easter morn
To a city fair rode I,
Their armed lines of marching men
In squadrons passed me by.
No pipe did hum, no battle drum
Did sound its loud tattoo
But the Angelus' bells o'er the Liffey swells
Rang out in the foggy dew.

Right proudly high in Dublin town
Hung they out a flag of war.
'Twas better to die 'neath an Irish sky
Than at Suvla or Sud el Bar.
And from the plains of Royal Meath
Strong men came hurrying through;
While Brittania's Huns with their long-range guns
Sailed in through the foggy dew.

The bravest fell, and the requiem bell
Rang mournfully and clear
For those who died that Easter-tide
In the springing of the year.
While the world did gaze with deep amaze
At those fearless men but few
Who bore the fight that freedom's light
Might shine through the foggy dew.

And back through the glen I rode again
And my heart with grief was sore
For I parted then with valiant men
Whom I never shall see more
But to and fro
In my dreams I go
And I kneel and pray for you
For slavery fled
Oh, glorious dead
When you fell in the foggy dew

Become British and piss on the graves on these fine men who died for freedom.No way Dano.

irishfeen

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Become British and piss on the graves on these fine men who died for freedom.No way Dano.

There will always be enough sane people in Ireland to prevent any union with Britain - any attempt would lead to a brutal civil war, its as simple as that.