X-Men Apocalypse

FortuneChip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jer8XjMrUB4

I really hate that "Forget everything you think you know" line. Fairly sure it's used in the Doctor Strange trailer as well.
Also a little disappointed they've gone Mystique central again, given there's a wealth of talent elsewhere in the movie, but that's how it is.

Still very much looking forward to this.
I've always found the 3rd Act in X-Men films to be way less reliant on "Blowing Everything Up" and more so on personal conflicts reaching a conclusion.
I know they've got the CGI effects, but it's always seemed like a great spectacle rather than just ramping up the budget for the sake of it.

EoinMcLovin

Final trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jer8XjMrUB4

Brief_Lives

definitely a big improvement on the last trailer....

FunLover18

Why would they ruin the

Wolverine cameo

? Jesus, trailers drive me mad sometimes.

Penn

First Class:
Mystique: "Mutant, and proud!"

Apocalypse:
Mystique: "F*ck looking like a mutant, I'm Jennifer F*cking Lawrence!"

FunLover18

Penn wrote: »

First Class:
Mystique: "Mutant, and proud!"

Apocalypse:
Mystique: "F*ck looking like a mutant, I'm Jennifer F*cking Lawrence!"

At least she has an excuse for not looking 20 years older. Why they decided to put so much time between these films is beyond me and once again completely wrecks the continuity.

pixelburp

FunLover18 wrote: »

At least she has an excuse for not looking 20 years older. Why they decided to put so much time between these films is beyond me and once again completely wrecks the continuity.

I think it's a deliberate decision to set each film within a separate decade: First Class was set in the 60s, Future Past the 70s (well, partially anyway), and so Apocalypse is set in the 80s.

The new trailer really suggest they've amped up the Comicbook stylings even more than it was in Future Past: so much colour and elaborate, impractical costuming - marvellous

FunLover18

pixelburp wrote: »

I think it's a deliberate decision to set each film within a separate decade: First Class was set in the 60s, Future Past the 70s (well, partially anyway), and so Apocalypse is set in the 80s.

I get that and it's a nice idea but the actors have all only aged 5 years and the movies have done nothing to even digitally age them or make-up. Was it even necessary, I think of anything in the DoFP that required it to be set in the 70s from a narrative perspective.

Brief_Lives

you know the characters don`t really age in the comics either...
I'm not sure what the complaint is about.... these are comic book movies...

FunLover18

Brief_Lives wrote: »

you know the characters don`t really age in the comics either...
I'm not sure what the complaint is about.... these are comic book movies...

These aren't comics though, these are movies and we have seen Xavier and Magneto age in the form of Stewart and McKellan so I'm not buying that excuse.

I'll still see the movie but it's going to bother me that all the characters from the first two films should be in their forties and fifties.

Bacchus

First of all, that spoiler! Awesome but kinda disappointed they didn't hold it back. I wonder were they feeling they needed a bit of a bigger draw to pull audiences in?

Looks great anyway. The plot doesn't look like it'll be up to much after the time hopping DOFP but visually this looks fantastic and looks like we'll get some great mutant fights. Love that they acknowledge the Magneto/Quicksilver link that they merely winked at in DOFP.

Penn

Brief_Lives wrote: »

you know the characters don`t really age in the comics either...
I'm not sure what the complaint is about.... these are comic book movies...

Yeah but when they keep reusing different ages of the same characters with different actors in different time periods, it just gets ridiculous. We've seen Stewart & McKellan visit a young Jean Grey even though we now have Fassbender & MacAvoy with a slightly older Jean Grey. We've had Emma Frost as a teenager in the 70s (Wolverine Origins) and in her mid-30s in the early 1960s (First Class).

Quicksilver & Cyclops were also in Wolverine Origins but now appear to be different ages in Apocalypse. Cyclops also met Patrick Stewart's Prof.X in the 70's but now it's MacAvoy in the 80s.

I'm not overly complaining about it. I get the reasons behind all of it. But it's just a jumbled mess now at this stage.

RedemptionZ

Don't care about that spoiler. It was gonna come out and I don't exactly consider it to be a game changer.

That was a good trailer imo, certainly much more likely to see it now. I was going to see it anyway but if I was on the fence this would've helped.

Sad Professor

Are they going to digitally de-age Jackman?

I really liked the first two X-Men, which had real themes about alienation and discrimination, but this just looks like X-Men for the YA market.

Speaking of which, I was watching Hunger Games III Part III or whatever it's called recently and I couldn't understand how Lawrence's mother had suddenly come back to life after dying in the previous film. After some googling it turns out that that happened in another film that wasn't Hunger Games but was so similar my mind had conflated them.

Brief_Lives

Brief_Lives wrote: »

you know the characters don`t really age in the comics either...
I'm not sure what the complaint is about.... these are comic book movies...

Add your reply here.
I should have added, humans do age.. Changes in continuity are enforced...
We are lucky to have seen 2 very good sets of actors..
I hope the Marvel crew are just as fortunate when Cap and Tony are revamped...

Do I consider it a continuity problem... No.. Artist/poetic licence is definitely allowed here...

constitutionus

i thought the last trailer was better TBH . it just seemed tonally more coherent. this one just seem to be more "flashy" or something. i still enjoyed it dont get me wrong but it just seemed a bit jarring.

i dont get the prob with the "cameo" either. the blokes been in ALL the films so wheres the shock?

one thing i will give this trailer though is its the first time i caught elements of Mystiques comic book costume coming to the fore. something i'd hoped for more of since "first class"

the one thing that annoys me about the X men films is the reluctance to use the characters classic costumes. they had an excuse in X 1 and 2 but the technical expertise exists now to DO it (as evidenced in avengers deadpool et al)

i mean Psylocke looks fecking glorious ! so why are we still gettting the black leather jumpsuits from 2000 ?

from the tralier it looks like theyve gone that way with apocalypses crew so a bit of love thrown the teams way would be nice.

FunLover18

constitutionus wrote: »

i dont get the prob with the "cameo" either. the blokes been in ALL the films so wheres the shock?

I genuinely wasn't expecting him to show up. Even if you were expecting it, showing it in the trailer serves no purpose.

titan18

I'll be surprised if this is good tbh. Big fan of First Class and DoFP, but this is looking crap.

Corholio

I like how Singer directs the X-Men films, he gives them a weight on screen imo. I found the dialogue in this trailer pretty awful, I know it's edited together so each part is not taken in context, but even in context its so cliched past the point of something resembling originality. It felt like a family action movie. Hopefully it's just the regular 'final trailer' feel of a film though rather than it being a big point.

It looks ok although I don't get the dread from Apocalypse that I should be getting for such a huge character. Still looking forward to it though.

.ak

constitutionus wrote: »

i thought the last trailer was better TBH . it just seemed tonally more coherent. this one just seem to be more "flashy" or something. i still enjoyed it dont get me wrong but it just seemed a bit jarring.

i dont get the prob with the "cameo" either. the blokes been in ALL the films so wheres the shock?

one thing i will give this trailer though is its the first time i caught elements of Mystiques comic book costume coming to the fore. something i'd hoped for more of since "first class"

the one thing that annoys me about the X men films is the reluctance to use the characters classic costumes. they had an excuse in X 1 and 2 but the technical expertise exists now to DO it (as evidenced in avengers deadpool et al)

i mean Psylocke looks fecking glorious ! so why are we still gettting the black leather jumpsuits from 2000 ?

from the tralier it looks like theyve gone that way with apocalypses crew so a bit of love thrown the teams way would be nice.

To be honest I'm in the complete other boat. I don't want to see them in the classic costumes. Why? Because they'd look absolutely stupid in real life. Wolverine in yellow spandex? No thanks. X1 and X2 are brilliant movies because they adapt to silver screen so well instead of lifting it straight from the comics.

Like I think pyslocke and apacolypse look stupid. Because, well, on real life those sort of costumes do. Bang of power rangers off them.

homerun_homer

The trailers aren't really doing much for me. I loved Apocalypse storylines in the cartoons (haven't read the comics) and was looking forward to this but the trailers are the least appealing to me of the three new X-men movies. I don't mind this though as I won't be going in with high expectations and may come out really liking it.

I find the way they are making a full hero out of Mystique is all due to the star power of Jennifer Lawrence. I'd still prefer to see her as a baddie with the character.

.ak

.ak wrote: »

To be honest I'm in the complete other boat. I don't want to see them in the classic costumes. Why? Because they'd look absolutely stupid in real life. Wolverine in yellow spandex? No thanks. X1 and X2 are brilliant movies because they adapt to silver screen so well instead of lifting it straight from the comics.

Like I think pyslocke and apacolypse look stupid. Because, well, on real life those sort of costumes do. Bang of power rangers off them.

Totally agree but the long dormant adolescent in me does appreciate Olivia Munn in that outfit

Brief_Lives

She'd look awesome in a brown paper bag.....

Corholio

Brief_Lives wrote: »

She'd look awesome in a brown paper bag.....

Scandalous! Sometimes I wish I was a mod who could ban people :pac:

RedemptionZ

Is there a reason Apocolypse isn't a musclebound monster? Not exactly complaining but any X Men I've seen and watched he's been quite a formidable size.

ardinn

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Is there a reason Apocolypse isn't a musclebound monster? Not exactly complaining but any X Men I've seen and watched he's been quite a formidable size.

Did you even watch the trailer - He is 40 foot tall!

Slydice

He's not as big and bulky as the 90s cartoon I remember watching.

What does it matter. It's hardly normal muscle which gives his strength

RedemptionZ

Slydice wrote: »

He's not as big and bulky as the 90s cartoon I remember watching.

Yeah that was more what I was getting at rather than the scale of him. I was also basing it off 90s cartoons, I'm sure he's been portrayed slimmer in some obscure comics.

Doesn't matter a whole lot, just wasn't sure if there was a reason behind it. I'd prefer if he was bulkier but that's just preference.

constitutionus

he wasnt really that "big" when he started out as the vilain in X factor waaaay back when.

taller than most IIRC but not bulky.



but when it got to the 90s marvels star artists started drawing everyone like mini hulks. jim lees cyclops for instance in NO way could be called "slim" summers.



next thing ya know apocalypse starts looking more like this.



he was played more like Mr Fantastic of the fantastic four more than anything else at the start which meant he could shift his mass as he wished. by the time the cartoon got off the ground he was in "brick shytehouse" territory.

ardinn

constitutionus wrote: »

he wasnt really that "big" when he started out as the vilain in X factor waaaay back when.

Was never the same when they killed him off and brought in Simon Cowell

constitutionus

looks like i posted too soon on the uniforms .

been watching some of the TV spots (most seem to be Chinese or something) and it looks like a fair whack of em get new dudes over the course of the film.

cyclops nightcrawler and quicksilver anyway. more in line with the stuff you'd see in "uncanny xforce" but still deffo going in the comic book suits direction.

Tazzimus

They got Olivia Munns one right, that's all that matters

Ben Gadot

Really looking forward to this, as I've been waiting for so long to see Apocalypse on screen. Fox seemed to get their **** together with this franchise big time starting with First Class as well. Hopefully he'll be treated with the proper respect and have the far reaching ramifications that he should.

Brief_Lives

I too was looking forward to seeing what Apocalypse looked like on the big screen... The trailers let me down slightly...

after reading this link.... i hope after seeing the film, I completely forget about it..

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/155734/20160503/apocalypse-could-have-looked-like-this-in-the-new-x-men-movie.htm

I doubt that what we're seeing in the trailers comes close to seeing the height that he becomes.

FunLover18

So, Helen O'Hara at Empire (who I would generally trust when it comes to these matters) has given this 2 stars and reports from other Empire writers on twitter are pretty similar. Nick de Semlyen compares the final act to a "rerun of end of Transformers 2" and James Dyer claims it's "not even on a par with The Last Stand" (sorry don't know how to embed tweets).

If they're wrong it would be a real shames after the gem that was DoFP but if anything the poor reviews have me even more intrigued because although the trailers weren't fantastic, I didn't think they were terrible.

Slydice

well crap...

googled reviews after your post, doesn't look promising..

The First Reviews of X-Men Apocalypse Are In, and They're 'Meh'
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-first-reviews-of-x-men-apocalypse-are-in-and-theyr-1775617115

I hope he didn't make a hames of Apocalypse. Like... he was there throughout the 90s X-Men, He was legendary. The whole 90s X-Men almost entirely revolved around him.

Awe I hope he hasn't done a crap job on this one.

Raven Runner

I'm sick of all the black bring back the proper colours for God sake why can't Wolverine wear yellow, and Storm wear white etc it takes the fun out of it they gave magneto a tint of his colours in the last film why not the rest of the crew they all look generic and dull in the black leather

RedemptionZ

Raven Runner wrote: »

I'm sick of all the black bring back the proper colours for God sake why can't Wolverine wear yellow, and Storm wear white etc it takes the fun out of it they gave magneto a tint of his colours in the last film why not the rest of the crew they all look generic and dull in the black leather

A lot of the costumes look ridiculous when not in a comic or cartoon. Wolverine in particular. Though I agree it looks very bland with matching dark jackets or shirts.

brianregan09

No they don't ....Marvel has successfully brought in most of the costumes with a more true to life look to them in there movies , Fox just seem deadset against it , except in Deadpool because they pretty much thought that was going to fail anyway

RedemptionZ

I don't think very bright or luminous colours translate well into the film screen. Yellow especially but also green to a lesser extent. So people like Wolverine and rogue would look strange in my opinion. Red and blue are much more aesthetic imo, the darker the better. Deadpool had a darkish shade of red, ditto Ironman, Captain America has a darker shade of blue, Black panther has black (obviously) etc. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine someone in bright yellow costume not looking ridiculous.

Ben Gadot

Disappointing to read the reviews but it seems to be the genre or "niche" sites that are giving it a gutting.

The Guardian didn't give it a terrible review while still viewing it as average.

I don't think Fox expected this reaction given they lifted the embargo this early.

45% on Rottentomatoes and 50% on Metacritic. Ouch.

josh_96

I'm actually surprised by the reviews the film is getting, looking at the trailers it looks decent maybe thought there does seem to be a introduction to alot of characters to the previous film anyway i'll probably still go and see it being a fan of the franchise and all.

Bacchus

Oh no, that's disappointing. FC and DoFP were both great so it's a pity to see the series stumble again. Hopefully it's not all that bad though... I'll still be going to see it.

ricero

Well giving the over the top praise for civil war and the over the top criticism of batman v superman, i say **** the critics

I don't think it's that easy though. I mean, they raved over DoFP, didn't they?

Then again.. it did fall in 2014, when the only other big budget superhero movie was Winter Soldier.

RedemptionZ

X Men should be such an easy one to get right, there's some great stories to choose from, DoFP being one.

Chris Stuckman is stunned at the negativity. He seems to have the same tastes as I do, so staying hopeful