Ryder Cup Captains 2016

shabalala

TRS30 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if McGinley can bring himself to back Clarke.

Mcginley is too much of a gent to do anything but back Clarke, id go so far to say Mcginley may well be a VC along with PH.

I do believe Clarke will be a ;losing captain, clarkes flash image and self obsessed nature, combined with the USA now reeeeaaaaaaalllly peed off at losing it does not bode well imho

Keano

shabalala wrote: »

Mcginley is too much of a gent to do anything but back Clarke, id go so far to say Mcginley may well be a VC along with PH.

I do believe Clarke will be a ;losing captain, clarkes flash image and self obsessed nature, combined with the USA now reeeeaaaaaaalllly peed off at losing it does not bode well imho

He will not be involved in anyway, already stated that he does not want to be involved in the back room team but would give his full support, if the next captain came looking for advice.

vienne86

Keano wrote: »

He will not be involved in anyway, already stated that he does not want to be involved in the back room team but would give his full support, if the next captain came looking for advice.

I think McGinley is quite right to state that - he'll keep well clear, publicly at any rate.

RikkFlair

Davis Love III looks like he's getting another shot, didn't see that coming, thought if they were going for a previous captain it would've been Azinger

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/love-return-2016-us-ryder-cup-captain/

Pierce_1991

RikkFlair wrote: »

Davis Love III looks like he's getting another shot, didn't see that coming, thought if they were going for a previous captain it would've been Azinger

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/love-return-2016-us-ryder-cup-captain/

Deserves a shot at it I think.

Rikand

I agree. Deserves the shot. Hope he gets it

slave1

Nice guy, interesting move, I wonder is it now a position to avoid Stateside?

wildrover444

RikkFlair wrote: »

Davis Love III looks like he's getting another shot, didn't see that coming, thought if they were going for a previous captain it would've been Azinger

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/love-return-2016-us-ryder-cup-captain/

Thought couples was a shoe in or maybe stricker

TRS30

rollotomasi wrote: »

Win-win for McGinley in backing Clarke. If he backs Clarke, McGinley is seen as the bigger man, able to put the past behind him. But the next Ryder Cup will be a tough one for Europe to win on US home soil, their recent losses, etc.
If Europe don't win, the finger will be pointed at the captain landing Clarke in it. If Europe win, McGinley gets some credit for picking him.

I can see and agree to a certain extent. However personally I would find it very hard to endorse someone who so publicly shafted me, especially someone who was a supposed close friend. Furthermore it would make me question their character and if they are really the right person for the job. Winning majors doesn't make you a good captain (Faldo).

Henry Ford III

I just voted for Clarke

vienne86

RikkFlair wrote: »

Davis Love III looks like he's getting another shot, didn't see that coming, thought if they were going for a previous captain it would've been Azinger

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/love-return-2016-us-ryder-cup-captain/

Yup, if they're going for a repeat, I would have though Azingerr was the obvious choice. Maybe he didn't want it though.

Mushy

Darren Clarke got it anyway

Dolph Starbeam

Clarke is the right choice imo, I'm not his biggest fan but he will give it his all. He has big boots to fill but I'm sure he'll do a great job.

Speak Now

2 Irish captains on the spin.

Seve OB

Big D just got the nod, best of Irish luck Darren

Mantis Toboggan

Delighted for Clarkie, absolute legend.

newport2

vienne86 wrote: »

Yup, if they're going for a repeat, I would have though Azingerr was the obvious choice. Maybe he didn't want it though.

In fairness to Love though, he did everything he could. Led the US team into a great position on Sunday where it looked like they couldn't lose and then........
It was all out of his hands at that stage, he had done everything he could and had done it excellently

LuckyGent88

Best of luck to him and hopefully bring another victory. Not fully convinced by the appointment and will need a good supporting cast around him.

vienne86

Well Clarke is the man. I hope the players are all behind him. He'll give it a great shot. The US will be well up for this, so he will have his work cout out. Best of luck to him.

poteen

Its going to take me a while to warm to Clarke.

Dbu

This day normally excites me...today not really, cant stand him to be honest.

Mantis Toboggan

Delighted this man got the job.
Harrington could be next

Keano

Leave the politics and nationality out of it, thanks.

stanley1

Would not have been my choice, Jimenez would have been a far better pick, i just don't like Clarke's attitude.

SevesThreeIron

I remember Brian Kerr's first press conference as Ireland manager years ago. He was clapped into the room. The good will was unbelievable. McGinley's appointment was a bit like the hat; Two lads who'd served their time and the reward was the big gig.

Clarke getting the RC captaincy reminds me of Staunton getting the Irish job. Ugggghhhh.

onlyme!

stanley1 wrote: »

Would not have been my choice, Jimenez would have been a far better pick, i just don't like Clarke's attitude.

i don't like his hair!

Pierce_1991

SevesThreeIron wrote: »

I remember Brian Kerr's first press conference as Ireland manager years ago. He was clapped into the room. The good will was unbelievable. McGinley's appointment was a bit like the hat; Two lads who'd served their time and the reward was the big gig.

Clarke getting the RC captaincy reminds me of Staunton getting the Irish job. Ugggghhhh.

Looking at the golf careers of each guy though Clarke has appeared in more Ryder Cups and also won a major so surely he has earned his chance?

SevesThreeIron

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Looking at the golf careers of each guy though Clarke has appeared in more Ryder Cups and also won a major so surely he has earned his chance?

I suppose he has. Winning a major shouldn't matter but it does seem to generally when it comes to RC captaincy. I'd be more making the point that the goodwill isn't nearly as strong for Clarke as it was for McGinley. Could be wrong but I reckon there's a large enough section of people out there that find Clarke hard to warm to.

stockdam

Nice to see another Irishman get the job. I agree that he has something to prove but then again I wasn't one of McGinley's fans but he did exceptionally well.

Slicemeister

Delighted for him, though I do think it's a case of pushing someone under an oncoming train.

Pierce_1991

SevesThreeIron wrote: »

I suppose he has. Winning a major shouldn't matter but it does seem to generally when it comes to RC captaincy. I'd be more making the point that the goodwill isn't nearly as strong for Clarke as it was for McGinley. Could be wrong but I reckon there's a large enough section of people out there that find Clarke hard to warm to.

You're right about that. Not sure why, maybe people see him as arrogant or something. I think he comes across as a decent guy. I suppose the question will be whether or not he can make the tough, professional decisions when it counts or will he choose his mates or shirk his duties.

Ed Winchester

He showed his true colours around the time of McGinleys appointment. He's not a nice man. He's an arrogant and untrustworthy man.

McGinley set the blueprint of what future Ryder Cup captains should be. Clarke is the complete opposite.

Mantis Toboggan

Ed Winchester wrote: »

He showed his true colours around the time of McGinleys appointment. He's not a nice man. He's an arrogant and untrustworthy man.

McGinley set the blueprint of what future Ryder Cup captains should be. Clarke is the complete opposite.

What did he do?

Pierce_1991

Ed Winchester wrote: »

He showed his true colours around the time of McGinleys appointment. He's not a nice man. He's an arrogant and untrustworthy man.

McGinley set the blueprint of what future Ryder Cup captains should be. Clarke is the complete opposite.

What did he do?

Keano

Ed Winchester wrote: »

He showed his true colours around the time of McGinleys appointment. He's not a nice man. He's an arrogant and untrustworthy man.

McGinley set the blueprint of what future Ryder Cup captains should be. Clarke is the complete opposite.

Clarke said the following today.

“We all know how good a job Paul did at Gleneagles and how successful that whole event was,” Clarke explained. “I think it would be very silly to move away from that. It was so successful. The team bonding was unbelievable and Paul’s role in things would figure in all that. It would be stupid of me to move away from that.

“I will obviously consult with other past captains, as well, and try and get as much information as I can to what was successful. But I think the way Paul did things the last time at Gleneagles, it will be tough to get it any better than that.”

Clarke, therefore, has no aspirations of altering qualification processes, captain’s picks or vice-captaincy numbers. “I wouldn’t foresee any reason why we would want to change,” he said. “The system we have in place is obviously a very successful one, so I think it would be foolish of me to ask for any changes.”

Ed Winchester

Words are easily spoken.

Clarke and McGinley were very good friends and neighbours. He initially backed McGinley in the process, when he thought he'd make the team. When it became obvious he wasn't going to make the team, he changed his mind on McGinley and threw his own hat in the ring. Then when it was obvious he wasn't going to get the captaincy, he publicly said he thought it needed a stronger internationally recognised name and backed Monty. This pissed off, not only McGinley, but a LOT of the players. He already had a strained relationship with a lot of the younger players after his VC role in Medinah.

I think he'll be another Faldo captain.

vienne86

Ed Winchester wrote: »

I think he'll be another Faldo captain.

That worries me too. But here's hoping.

Just seen him on Sky......hate the hair-do!

valoren

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Words are easily spoken.

Clarke and McGinley were very good friends and neighbours. He initially backed McGinley in the process, when he thought he'd make the team. When it became obvious he wasn't going to make the team, he changed his mind on McGinley and threw his own hat in the ring. Then when it was obvious he wasn't going to get the captaincy, he publicly said he thought it needed a stronger internationally recognised name and backed Monty. This pissed off, not only McGinley, but a LOT of the players. He already had a strained relationship with a lot of the younger players after his VC role in Medinah.

I think he'll be another Faldo captain.

This was after the announcement of Watson as the US Captain iirc

The narrative goes that considering that McGinley had paid his dues and cut his teeth with the Seve Trophy/Royal Trophy, it was assumed he would be offered the RC Captaincy.

Then the PGA announced Watson as their captain with the tagline along the lines of "...the last Captain to win in Europe".

To have such a famous name as the US captain momentarily rocked the assumption of Captain McGinley as a sure thing.

Following this, Mr Ryder Cup Monty threw his hat into the ring for another shot at the role after the somewhat curious choice of Watson. Now McGinley had some competition.

Essentially, Clarke, realising his own ambition on the captaincy was a non-runner, opined that Monty had the profile as a Ryder Cup stalwart, was a tried and tested cup winning captain and the matches were to be played in Scotland to boot. It was a great sell. Clarke bought it and backed Monty. Others would look at it as his throwing his friend under the bus.

In the end it arguably took a nod of the head from Luke and a tweet from Rory to win McGinley the role.

Rikand

Jiminez for the Ryder Cup Team on his own merits ?

https://twitter.com/warmupjimenez/status/568103541463588864

He thinks so!

slave1

Okay Clarke apparently shafted McGinley, such is life.

Luke was a major supporter of McGinley's and McGinley left him out of the 2014 RC despite him having (at the time) a much higher 'current' ranking and much higher RC win rate than any of his subsequent picks...

All fair in love and war...and golf..

Seve OB

Rikand wrote: »

Jiminez for the Ryder Cup Team on his own merits ?

https://twitter.com/warmupjimenez/status/568103541463588864

He thinks so!

i don't see why not

Pierce_1991

Sounds to me like Clarke chose Monty over his pal McGinley because he genuinely felt it was the best choice. Is that not the kind of captain you would want? Someone who is willing to make a tough choice and pick a guy he believes to be better than simply choosing his mate.

TRS30

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Sounds to me like Clarke chose Monty over his pal McGinley because he genuinely felt it was the best choice. Is that not the kind of captain you would want? Someone who is willing to make a tough choice and pick a guy he believes to be better than simply choosing his mate.

After seeing the job that McGinley did, it is fair to say he made the wrong call? Does this not bring his judgement into question? It is well known that Monty wasn't the most popular captain with the players, something that Clarke would have known. Also most of the senior players had already come out in support of McGinley so why go against them and back Monty!

A lot of being a good captain is making good judgements, who to play with who, who to leave out etc.

Kevinmarkham

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Words are easily spoken.

Yes, and easily typed too:
"He showed his true colours around the time of McGinleys appointment. He's not a nice man. He's an arrogant and untrustworthy man."

ionadnapokot

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Words are easily spoken.

Clarke and McGinley were very good friends and neighbours. He initially backed McGinley in the process, when he thought he'd make the team. When it became obvious he wasn't going to make the team, he changed his mind on McGinley and threw his own hat in the ring. Then when it was obvious he wasn't going to get the captaincy, he publicly said he thought it needed a stronger internationally recognised name and backed Monty. This pissed off, not only McGinley, but a LOT of the players. He already had a strained relationship with a lot of the younger players after his VC role in Medinah.

I think he'll be another Faldo captain.

The way he shafted McGinley...:mad:
Not captain material.
I wonder did McGinley vote for him?

HighLine

Harrington's thoughts on Love becoming captain again...

"It's interesting, it looks like they (the PGA of America) have chosen a friend," Harrington told Sky Sports. "I'm surprised they didn't go back to Paul Azinger.

"I know Davis did a great job but it does look like they've gone for the guy they like... I'm not saying they don't like Paul Azinger but maybe Paul turned it down.

"He was a good captain but when you let the inmates run the asylum sometimes that's what they come up with."

Source
http://www.irishgolfdesk.com/news-files/2015/2/19/harrington-on-love-return-when-you-let-the-inmates-run-the-asylum-thats-what-they-come-up-with

cormacjones

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Words are easily spoken.

Clarke and McGinley were very good friends and neighbours. He initially backed McGinley in the process, when he thought he'd make the team. When it became obvious he wasn't going to make the team, he changed his mind on McGinley and threw his own hat in the ring. Then when it was obvious he wasn't going to get the captaincy, he publicly said he thought it needed a stronger internationally recognised name and backed Monty. This pissed off, not only McGinley, but a LOT of the players. He already had a strained relationship with a lot of the younger players after his VC role in Medinah.

I think he'll be another Faldo captain.

What was the issue at Medinah?

Rikand

ionadnapokot wrote: »

The way he shafted McGinley...:mad:
Not captain material.
I wonder did McGinley vote for him?

i think I read in one of the links up above, it was a unanimous decision amongst the 5 people involved on the selection committee

ionadnapokot

Rikand wrote: »

i think I read in one of the links up above, it was a unanimous decision amongst the 5 people involved on the selection committee

Even when he's not the Capt he is still parking his ego. Clarke has allot to learn:pac:

ionadnapokot

http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/2015/0218/681030-darren-clarke-to-learn-ryder-cup-fate-today/
If only George O'Grady and/or players' representative David Howell could have been persuaded to vote for Miguel. We cud have had the coolest RC Capt. Ever!