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Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

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    #362
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    The rise of our entitlement culture is to blame.

    Look no further than politicians!


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    #363
    BoJack Horseman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look no further than politicians!

    Your solution?


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    #364
    Anatom
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Look no further than politicians!

    The vast, vast majority of politicians in this country work incredibly hard and aren't worthy of a comment like that...


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    #365
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look no further than politicians!

    Nah, they just get paid for the job they do.


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    #366
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    Anatom wrote: »
    The vast, vast majority of politicians in this country work incredibly hard and aren't worthy of a comment like that...

    Who are these hard working politicians you speak off?


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    #367
    Anatom
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who are these hard working politicians you speak off?

    All of the ones I've ever met or worked with over the years - from councillors to Ministers - of all parties.

    But of course they're easy to target with a blanket comment, aren't they?


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    #368
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    Anatom wrote: »
    All of the ones I've ever met or worked with over the years - from councillors to Ministers - of all parties.

    But of course they're easy to target with a blanket comment, aren't they?

    Please give examples.


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    #369
    Anatom
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Please give examples.

    I really don't want to fuel whatever line you want this conversation to take, so perhaps you'd tell me which politicians you think don't work hard?

    Seeing as you seem to disagree with my assertion, perhaps you'd give an example yourself.


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    #370
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    Anatom wrote: »
    I really don't want to fuel whatever line you want this conversation to take, so perhaps you'd tell me which politicians you think don't work hard?

    Seeing as you seem to disagree with my assertion, perhaps you'd give an example yourself.

    I'm happy to say that anyone in government is a career politician and are there to fill their pockets.

    If you disagree please provide an example of where I'm wrong?


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    #371
    mickydoomsux
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    ... are there to fill their pockets.

    The cheek of them, expecting to get paid to do a job.


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    #372
    BoJack Horseman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm happy to say that anyone in government is a career politician and are there to fill their pockets.

    If you disagree please provide an example of where I'm wrong?

    So, what would Ireland's last Marxist do instead?


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm happy to say that anyone in government is a career politician and are there to fill their pockets.

    If you disagree please provide an example of where I'm wrong?

    So Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Mary Lou, Joe Higgins et al are all the same? Or do they not count because they are not in power?


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    #374
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    The cheek of them, expecting to get paid to do a job.

    Not at all,

    Of course they should get paid, and a fair expenses system should be in place.

    However I firmly believe that any politician should;

    Only receive the average salary when the country is running a deficit.

    Should only receive a pension that is comparable to the national average.

    Should only be able to receive 1 pension from the state.

    Receive that pension at the same retirement age as the rest of the country.


    At a time of Austerity it is a disgrace that people like Kenny can retire tomorrow on multiple state pensions paying thousands just as Cowen and Bertie have done.


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    #375
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Mary Lou, Joe Higgins et al are all the same? Or do they not count because they are not in power?

    Hard to say, it's what they do when they get into power and how they practice fairness to the citizens.

    As for SF they live on the average wage so they are at least more in touch with the average citizen, unlike Kenny who still is one of the best paid politicians in Europe despite the country he leads having debts of over 200 billion and a annual deficit of 7 billion.


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    ThisRegard
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Only receive the average salary when the country is running a deficit.

    Should only receive a pension that is comparable to the national average.

    You won't get anyone leaving their day job to become a politician.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    As for SF they live on the average wage so they are at least more in touch with the average citizen, unlike Kenny who still is one of the best paid politicians in Europe despite the country he leads having debts of over 200 billion and a annual deficit of 7 billion.

    I never believe this, as one of their most prominent members has a nice holiday hide away for himself, and had no problem taking the queens shilling when he never actually went to Westminster to sit. And another that I know has quite a nice house, more so than what your average citizen has, and , drives, or at least drove, a top of the range car.


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    #377
    Little CuChulainn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hard to say, it's what they do when they get into power and how they practice fairness to the citizens.

    As for SF they live on the average wage so they are at least more in touch with the average citizen, unlike Kenny who still is one of the best paid politicians in Europe despite the country he leads having debts of over 200 billion and a annual deficit of 7 billion.

    I don't know many people living on an average wage that can take first class round trips to Australia, other than Sinn Fein members of course. It's sad to see people so easily fooled. Sure they only withdraw average wage from their salary. But the rest goes to the party and they just use it for their expenses. Nothing but an accounting trick to fool their target audience into thinking they are just like them.


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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I don't know many people living on an average wage that can take first class round trips to Australia, other than Sinn Fein members of course. It's sad to see people so easily fooled. Sure they only withdraw average wage from their salary. But the rest goes to the party and they just use it for their expenses. Nothing but an accounting trick to fool their target audience into thinking they are just like them.

    Did you contact SF to ask how that trip was funded?

    For all you know it could have been paid directly by Mary Lou or perhaps some businessman paid for her to come out there?

    So what if they draw down a average salary and the rest goes to the party?

    The fact remains that SF TDs live on the average industrial wage where FG, FF and Labour TDS don't.

    People like Enda Kenny still earn one of give best salaries in Europe for a politician despite Ireland being one of Europes smallest countries and in debt per capita.


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    #379
    BoJack Horseman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    despite Ireland being one of Europes smallest countries and in debt per capita.

    What is your solution to that btw?


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    #380
    dxhound2005
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you contact SF to ask how that trip was funded?

    For all you know it could have been paid directly by Mary Lou or perhaps some businessman paid for her to come out there?

    So what if they draw down a average salary and the rest goes to the party?

    The fact remains that SF TDs live on the average industrial wage where FG, FF and Labour TDS don't.

    People like Enda Kenny still earn one of give best salaries in Europe for a politician despite Ireland being one of Europes smallest countries and in debt per capita.

    Some businessmen used to give Charlie and Bertie a bit of a dig out too. And a businessman gave Gerry a digout when he went to America for his private medical treatment.


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    #381
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    What is your solution to that btw?

    To what?


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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Some businessmen used to give Charlie and Bertie a bit of a dig out too. And a businessman gave Gerry a digout when he went to America for his private medical treatment.

    And?

    What's the point here?

    I have no issue with people getting dig outs providing it dosent effect their job.


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    #383
    Little CuChulainn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you contact SF to ask how that trip was funded?

    For all you know it could have been paid directly by Mary Lou or perhaps some businessman paid for her to come out there?

    So what if they draw down a average salary and the rest goes to the party?

    The fact remains that SF TDs live on the average industrial wage where FG, FF and Labour TDS don't.

    People like Enda Kenny still earn one of give best salaries in Europe for a politician despite Ireland being one of Europes smallest countries and in debt per capita.

    She said it was paid from party funds. Why would I want to ask them something they already said. So she claims average wage, puts the rest into the party and uses it to fly first class to oz. forgive me if I am not in awe of their shallow man of the people act.


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    #384
    BoJack Horseman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    To what?

    Vast government debt.


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    #385
    ThisRegard
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's the point here?

    I have no issue with people getting dig outs providing it dosent effect their job.

    I don't get you, you get all high and mighty about some things but have no issues with dig outs to politicians ?


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    #386
    Valetta
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    People like Enda Kenny still earn one of give best salaries in Europe for a politician despite Ireland being one of Europes smallest countries and in debt per capita.

    Name one European country that isn't "in debt per capita"?
    (Bar possibly Luxembourg)


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    Barely There
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I don't know many people living on an average wage that can take first class round trips to Australia, other than Sinn Fein members of course. It's sad to see people so easily fooled. Sure they only withdraw average wage from their salary. But the rest goes to the party and they just use it for their expenses. Nothing but an accounting trick to fool their target audience into thinking they are just like them.

    It's a sub-section of the electorate that don't take much fooling in fairness.

    Their current economic proposals include the abolition of the property tax and water charges while still maintaining services.

    The shortfall is to be made up by a combination of money trees, taxing 'the rich' and bondholder burning


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    #388
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    Another drive by night comment Nodin... I take it you don't condone these actions?


    I support the right to strike, thanks.


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    #389
    Sgt Hartman
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    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Sick burn and so original.

    Now call me a sheep and then tell me to "bend over and take it" (a concept which i find to be quite insulting and homophobic/anti-woman because it assumes that someone doing that is somehow automatically degraded).

    http://gamerindebt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/double-facepalm.jpg


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    #390
    jank
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    Nodin wrote: »
    I support the right to strike, thanks.

    Strike? Are these protestors working for Irish water now? lol


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    #391
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    Strike? Are these protestors working for Irish water now? lol

    O, that. Yes, they have the right to protest.


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