Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

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I would rather the gardai, like other EU police forces, used more physicality when dealing with people publicly rather than the sly hidings they traditionally dish out on the QT in the back of the van/back at the station

Fr. Ned

Dean0088 wrote: »

At this point, having literally quoted an act which is one of the most plainly worded on the statute books, and you seem to deny that it says what it says, I'm going to bow out of any further discussion with you.

I'm always open to discussion and debate. But you don't want to do that - you want to substitute reality with your own version that suits.

For the past 4/5 pages your replies have been nothing but personal attacks, misquoting posters (saying I want to suppress protest) and downright idiotic, uninformed statements. Your use of hyphens around 'the law' paints it as some abstraction similar to "the man" - your thought process and opinions are that of an a moody teenager.

If you actually come forth with an argument with a shred of sense or basis in normal, civilized thinking I'll engage but until then it's better for AH and this thread if this kindof nonsense wans't engaged with.

I'm sure this can only delight you in the same way an IW protester is delighted that society refuses to take them seriously. All I have to say to that is that I hope your ignorance is one of bliss.

Feel better now? Nice few personal insults towards me out in the open. What's that you're saying about personal attacks?
I'll let the Gardai get on with their job if you don't mind.
The last thing they need as they get stuck between a rock and a hard place is to be listening to some idealistic nobody on a website telling them how to do their job.
You moan about protesters quoting the law and knowing their rights, in between calling them skangers, scumbags, thugs and law breakers, yet here you are quoting the law to us in your pathetic condescending tone.
As I said before, I'll leave it to the professionals who have been trained and know how to deal with the protests.

Fukuyama

hju6 wrote: »

So the protesters should wear expensive suits and speak the queens English ?

Or do you think that the working class have no right to protest ?

Working class =/= skanger.

Like I said, continuing to deny subcultures despite their obvious existence in Ireland and presence at this protests is a weak leg to stand on.

As a member of the working class, these people don't represent me or my political opinions. Nor do they reflect the way I think people should behave (ie. by the law).

Mark Tapley

Dean why don't you go out on the street and tell the guards to do their job properly. See if they like you any better than the protesters.

Fr. Ned

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Dean why don't you go out on the street and tell the guards to do their job properly. See if they like you any better than the protesters.

And he can explain to the protesters about their 'sub-culture' and the fact that he sees them as skangers, scumbags, thugs and lawbreakers.:eek:

Fukuyama

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Dean why don't you go out on the street and tell the guards to do their job properly. See if they like you any better than the protesters.

I imagine the current garda tactic is designed to avoid

1)making martyrs of those arrested
2)to avoid a load of useless paperwork on individuals who will never see a day in court

Unlike the protesters, I prefer to have a discussion instead of strolling up to a garda and telling him/her how to do his job. The internet allows people to discuss things in a much more thought-out, civilized way than trying to give instructions to gardaí in the middle of a mini-riot.

I don't care whether gardaí like or dislike my opinion. I'm mostly concerned with seeing my area and other around Dublin infested with "For The People" rent-a-mobs who don't give a rats arse about normal law abiding behaviour, let along how it's actually enforced.

hju6

Dean0088 wrote: »

Working class =/= skanger.

Like I said, continuing to deny subcultures despite their obvious existence in Ireland and presence at this protests is a weak leg to stand on.

As a member of the working class, these people don't represent me or my political opinions. Nor do they reflect the way I think people should behave (ie. by the law).

And what percentage of protesters have actually been charged for breaking the law

Fukuyama

hju6 wrote: »

And what percentage of protesters have actually been charged for breaking the law

I have no idea how I'd even go about acquiring such information. This would surly only become public in the unlikely event any of these cases are deemed worthwhile enough to go to trial. However, given the arrest:law-breaking ratio evident in the videos, I'd say it's very low.

Timberrrrrrrr

Nodin wrote: »

My eye. You and a few fellow travellers are projecting your fear of the "great unwashed" and hoping for a bit of baton porn to keep yez happy.

Care to explain please?

hju6

Dean0088 wrote: »

I have no idea how I'd even go about acquiring such information. This would surly only become public in the unlikely event any of these cases are deemed worthwhile enough to go to trial. However, given the arrest:law-breaking ratio evident in the videos, I'd say it's very low.

No arrest = no law being broken

Timberrrrrrrr

end of the road wrote: »

language has nothing to do with it. its just language. if one can't deal with it, then find another job. i have to deal with if its used at me so the police are no different

So if i walk into your job tomorrow.and film you while i constantly tell you that you are a cnut and a scumbag, this would be acceptable to you?

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So if i walk into your job tomorrow.and film you while i constantly tell you that you are a.useless cnut, this would be acceptable to you?

I hope he's not a surgeon

Mark Tapley

Dean0088 wrote: »

I imagine the current garda tactic is designed to avoid

1)making martyrs of those arrested
2)to avoid a load of useless paperwork on individuals who will never see a day in court

Unlike the protesters, I prefer to have a discussion instead of strolling up to a garda and telling him/her how to do his job. The internet allows people to discuss things in a much more thought-out, civilized way than trying to give instructions to gardaí in the middle of a mini-riot.

I don't care whether gardaí like or dislike my opinion. I'm mostly concerned with seeing my area and other around Dublin infested with "For The People" rent-a-mobs who don't give a rats arse about normal law abiding behaviour, let along how it's actually enforced.

If you want change you have to actively do something, campaign, protest etc. Venting your spleen on boards is just howling into the void.

Fukuyama

hju6 wrote: »

No arrest = no law being broken

No... no it doesn't. It means either individually a garda has decided it's not worth arresting you only to be told the next day that you're to be released with no charge because the resource or will isn't there to deal with your ****, or because AGS are using a passive policing tactic on a crowd which allows certain laws to be broken because the guards don't want to make martyrs.

There's a law broken every few seconds in those videos.

Fr. Ned

Mark Tapley wrote: »

If you want change you have to actively do something, campaign, protest etc. Venting your spleen on boards is just howling into the void.

What about 'a strongly worded letter' to the minister in question?
I'd be protesting very strongly to the MoJ if I thought laws were being broken and the Gardai weren't doing their job in a correct manner. Thre law is the law after all.
You know the way this government listens to the people?
Enda put his mobile number out there somewhere, perhaps a call or a text would suffice?

Fukuyama

Mark Tapley wrote: »

If you want change you have to actively do something, campaign, protest etc. Venting your spleen on boards is just howling into the void.

Discussion, particularly online, is often a lot more powerful and reaches a lot more people than standing outside my local garda station with a banner.

Fukuyama

Fr. Ned wrote: »

What about 'a strongly worded letter' to the minister in question?
You know the way this government listens to the people.
Enda put his mobile number out there somewhere, perhaps a call or a text would suffice?

The government don't dictate day-to-day garda policing. This isn't a police state.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

I hope he's not a surgeon

Doesn't matter what the job, would anyone i this thread find it acceptable for a member of the public to walk up to them and (with camera in hand) and call them a scumbag and a cnut?

Fr. Ned

Dean0088 wrote: »

The government don't dictate day-to-day garda policing. This isn't a police state.

Why aren't all these protesters, who are constantly breaking the law according to yourself, being arrested then?
You can be damn sure that it's come from high office to go easy on water meter protesters.

hju6

Dean0088 wrote: »

No... no it doesn't. It means either individually a garda has decided it's not worth arresting you only to be told the next day that you're to be released with no charge because the resource or will isn't there to deal with your ****, or because AGS are using a passive policing tactic on a crowd which allows certain laws to be broken because the guards don't want to make martyrs.

There's a law broken every few seconds in those videos.

And you know this better than the Garda who are actually there

Aswell as knowing the IQ of the protesters

Mark Tapley

Dean0088 wrote: »

Discussion, particularly online, is often a lot more powerful and reaches a lot more people than standing outside my local garda station with a banner.

There are plenty of posters who will join you in writing off sections of society as skangers and scumbags if that's what you want.

Nodin

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Care to explain please?

you don't know what a fellow traveller is?

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Doesn't matter what the job, would anyone i this thread find it acceptable for a member of the public to walk up to them and (with camera in hand) and call them a scumbag and a cnut?

IW worker in the paper today murdered his partner

Her relatives would have every right to

dxhound2005

hju6 wrote: »

IW worker in the paper today murdered his partner

Her relatives would have every right to

They probably wouldn't be let bring their phones into the prison where this convicted murdered is incarcerated.

Timberrrrrrrr

hju6 wrote: »

IW worker in the paper today murdered his partner

Her relatives would have every right to

Was he in work.when he did it? pointing out he he is an IW worker contributes what?

Fukuyama

hju6 wrote: »

IW worker in the paper today murdered his partner

Her relatives would have every right to

This discussion is entering new realms of ridiculousness and bad taste.

Timberrrrrrrr

Dean0088 wrote: »

This discussion is entering new realms of ridiculousness and bad taste.

Yup

Next they will claim your water charge is paying for his legal defense.

hju6

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was he in work.when he did it? pointing out he he is an IW worker contributes what?

Murderer working for IW in housing estates, puts a bit of perspective on the so called thugs of protesters

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/thug-who-kicked-lover-to-death-now-works-in-housing-estate

hju6

Dean0088 wrote: »

This discussion is entering new realms of ridiculousness and bad taste.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/thug-who-kicked-lover-to-death-now-works-in-housing-estate

What do you prefer outside your house
A murderer or a protester ?

micosoft

Kippure wrote: »

In what way buddy. So it hasn't had an effect on Irelands economy.

I would love to come back to Ireland and live with family friends again.

But I choose a better life else where.

Immigration has already ruined Ireland. Why would I come back?

To what?

Without doubt the dumbest most ironic post I've yet to see on Boards. An Irish emigrant slamming immigrants to Ireland.