Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

coolemon

end of the road wrote: »

no. its our duty to do our bit. we need the military and its equipment to help protect us from invasian

Ah come on. An invasion from who?

coolemon

end of the road wrote: »

they help protect peoples human rights and they will protect us should there be an emergancy

If the Irish state were concerned about human rights they would kick the yanks out of Shannon airport. The Irish state are actively assisting in creating human rights disasters.

end of the road

Gatling wrote: »

Would it not be better disbanding the permanent and reserve defence forces altogether .
sell the naval vessels and SAR helicopters .

nothing of our boys should be sold

For Forks Sake

Gatling wrote: »

Would it not be better disbanding the permanent and reserve defence forces altogether .
sell the naval vessels and SAR helicopters .

Not sure if serious...

end of the road

coolemon wrote: »

If the Irish state were concerned about human rights they would kick the yanks out of Shannon airport. The Irish state are actively assisting in creating human rights disasters.

i agree but thats no reason to sell off our military equipment

coolemon

Gatling wrote: »

Would it not be better disbanding the permanent and reserve defence forces altogether .
sell the naval vessels and SAR helicopters .

the navy and SAR I think serve constructive functions. protecting fisheries and search and rescue.

The Irish army however. Well, protecting cash vans seem to be their predominant function.

P_1

end of the road wrote: »

no. its our duty to do our bit. we need the military and its equipment to help protect us from invasian

From whom exactly?

coolemon

end of the road wrote: »

i agree but thats no reason to sell off our military equipment

The expenditure must be justified. Spending millions for the very unlikely event of an invasion is not particularly rational.

Gatling

coolemon wrote: »

the navy and SAR I think serve constructive functions. protecting fisheries and search and rescue.

The Irish army however. Well, protecting cash vans seem to be their predominant function.

Protecting fisheries

Why do fish need protection .

They use a lot of Diesel they cause pollution .
cash in transit generate money for the Defence forces

billie1b

Banjo String wrote: »

I say this as a bit of a 'leftie' and as someone who runs his own business.

Disgraceful. The folk who harassed that girl should take a long hard look at themselves tbh.

I 100% agree with you

mickydoomsux

Cancel all peacekeeping missions because we shouldn't have to contribute to international affairs so that cheapskates don't have to pay for water at home but when we destroy our own economy through utter greed at all levels of our society we should go begging the international community to bail us out.

I understand the anti side completely now.

coolemon

Gatling wrote: »

Protecting fisheries

Why do fish need protection .

They use a lot of Diesel they cause pollution .
cash in transit generate money for the Defence forces

Because fish stocks are being depleted and require patrolling to prevent overfishing.

Cash in transit roles could be assumed by the gardai. Piranha APCs are not necessary.

P_1

coolemon wrote: »

The expenditure must be justified. Spending millions for the very unlikely event of an invasion is not particularly rational.

To be fair being rational isn't exactly one of EOTR's main traits judging by quite a lot of their posts. However the Defence Forces do play a vital role in the likes of search and rescue and whatnot so perhaps selling off their equipment to make a few quid may not be the wisest of things to do even allowing for the stupid "lets protect us from invasion" rationale.

coolemon

P_1 wrote: »

To be fair being rational isn't exactly one of EOTR's main traits judging by quite a lot of their posts. However the Defence Forces do play a vital role in the likes of search and rescue and whatnot so perhaps selling off their equipment to make a few quid may not be the wisest of things to do even allowing for the stupid "lets protect us from invasion" rationale.

Most of the equipment of the defence forces does not serve Search and rescue functions.

I do not think the expenditure can be justified.

coolemon

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Cancel all peacekeeping missions because we shouldn't have to contribute to international affairs so that cheapskates don't have to pay for water at home but when we destroy our own economy through utter greed at all levels of our society we should go begging the international community to bail us out.

I understand the anti side completely now.

Spend tens of millions of euro to engage in peacekeeping missions while at the same time facilitating slaughter, war and human rights disasters.

Oh yeah. I buy your argument.

Gatling

If anyone is interested I've a line on some top of the line MRAPs practically brand new

coolemon

coolemon wrote: »

Because fish stocks are being depleted and require patrolling to prevent overfishing.

Cash in transit roles could be assumed by the gardai. Piranha APCs are not necessary.

The Gardai are too busy protecting law abiding citizens going about their lawful daily work from vigilanties who want to derail the recovery efforts of this country.

Rums

Karl Stein wrote: »

It needs to happen? Irish water is ideologically driven.

They could have taken the money it took to set up Irish Water and used it to modernise the water supply infrastructure. Modernising the water supply infrastructure would have generated thousands of jobs for unemployed construction workers who'd be spending their wages in local restaurants, shops and bars which would have raised aggregate demand across the country.

This.... as far as I am aware Irish water was the result of an EU water framework directive and as a directive rather then a regulation the government actually had the freedom to choose how it reaches the intended goal.....

Ironically to reach the goal the best plan would have been something similar to what you have outlined, improving the ancient infrastructure as less water is lost getting to houses or due to contamination would have been more in line with the goals then randomly setting up an organisation funded by our taxes.

Our politicians will argue that that Irish water was set up and we are being taxed so that the infrastructure can be update and maintained.... Irish water is the better long term solution.................... however the EU water framework directives due date is 2015... so for the first couple of years... hell for the first decade the money made in taxes will likely be going to the EU paying off a fine for us being late in complying with the directives.

They really should have just poured the money directly into improving the infrastructure... thus creating jobs, complying with the directive and then gone about setting up an organization to maintain it into but that could be put way back on the to do list.

Phoebas

Rums wrote: »

This.... as far as I am aware Irish water was the result of an EU water framework directive and as a directive rather then a regulation the government actually had the freedom to choose how it reaches the intended goal....

It came out of the IMF/EU MoU.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It must be intimidating for elderly residents and others seeing this rent a mob of the usual protesters suspects show up on their estates. Most if not all i'm betting probably don't even live on that estate.

Who appointed them guardians of the people?

Do any of this mob work or are we supporting them with state handouts?

Grand Moff Tarkin

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Do any of this mob work or are we supporting them with state handouts?

They are political activists on behalf of the AAA, People Before Profit, etc, laying the groundwork for the next General Election.

Streetwalker

Congrats to each and every one of the patriots who turned up yesterday at the protest and gave a big F you to FF heavy and the champagne socialists. Great mix of people from the unemployed to families of civil servants including Gardaí to a very nice guy who owned a business in Goatstown and who had had enough. Onward and upward.

Lucy and Harry

Water has never been free we have always been paying for it and bins too they just decided to double stealth tax us.Death and taxes.You cant get away from them.

mickydoomsux

Streetwalker wrote: »

Congrats to each and every one of the patriots who turned up yesterday at the protest and gave a big F you to FF heavy and the champagne socialists. Great mix of people from the unemployed to families of civil servants including Gardaí to a very nice guy who owned a business in Goatstown and who had had enough. Onward and upward.

Refusing to pay for an essential service provided by the Government.

True patriots.

Grand Moff Tarkin

coolemon wrote: »

If the Irish state were concerned about human rights they would kick the yanks out of Shannon airport. The Irish state are actively assisting in creating human rights disasters.

i like having Uncle Sam and his mighty war machine watching over my country so if they wish to use Shannon as a stop over before they bring their enemies of the state to justice than best of luck to them.

Fr. Ned

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Refusing to pay for an essential service provided by the Government.

True patriots.

So you admit that the government are providing water then and not this new quango called Irish Water.
Thought that myself, that's why my taxes have been paying for my water since I started working.

Fr. Ned

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Water has never been free we have always been paying for it and bins too they just decided to double stealth tax us.Death and taxes.You cant get away from them.

The moan burton claimed in the Dail, immediately after her now infamous camera phones/hollywood remark, that it was protesters who caused the privatisation of refuse collection in this country.

VinLieger

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The moan burton claimed in the Dail, immediately after her now infamous camera phones/hollywood remark, that it was protesters who caused the privatisation of refuse collection in this country.

What's wrong with refuse privatisation? We now have several options and each has to actively compete for our money and business.

Surely it's a much better system than a state run monopoly where pay is determined by the unions and not the market?

Streetwalker

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Refusing to pay for an essential service provided by the Government.

True patriots.

We already pay.

mickydoomsux

Streetwalker wrote: »

We already pay.

Obviously a sufficient amount as well with all the leaks and undrinkable water.

Let's scrap the water charges and continue on like we are. I'm sure the pipes will fix themselves and the cryptosporidium will simply disappear