Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

Fukuyama · 13-10-2014 12:02pm

micosoft wrote: »

Pretty awful article actually. I left a response but of course, he/she has to approve my freedom of speech :rolleyes:. In any case I'll stick it here:

I lost you when you compared the undemocratic system of Hong Kong where the chief executive must be cleared by the Government in Beijing versus the democratically elected Government in Ireland. Your entire thesis falls apart at that hurdle. The protesters in Hong Kong are protesting BECAUSE they do not have this avenue. That is the point of their protest. Aside from the obvious lessens in civility totally lost on our "protesters".

In any case, there are limits to everything in this life. Free speech does not mean you can shout "fire" in a crowded theatre. Similarly the right to protest does not give you the right to impede on the freedom to do your lawful work or your freedom to receive a service. Put it another way, would you be happy with protesters outside an abortion clinic jostling women as they went in?

Anyone who takes that blog seriously needs their head examined.

Streetwalker · 13-10-2014 12:05pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

One of the main bugbears of IW is the 'paying twice' argument.

Had the gov just issued a tax credit covering this from day1 it would have smoothed things over for them no end.

€100 will be helpful.
Leaving €178 for the year.

Now if they would just abolish the TV lisence we'd be doing great.

No chance a working family will end up paying 178 or anything like it. Triple that at the least.

Streetwalker · 13-10-2014 12:07pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Are Ireland's hero's back out this morning bullying, intimidating and preventing taxpayers from going about their work day or are they all taking a day off? They must be wrecked after all the exercise they got on Saturday.

I'm off work Thursday will be going out then. Care to join the effort?

Fukuyama · 13-10-2014 12:11pm

Streetwalker wrote: »

I'm off work Thursday will be going out then. Care to join the effort?

You are aware that these protests haven't stopped any water meters going in, right?

As far as I can tell, water meter installation is disrupted for a few hours. Then IW come back a few days later and put them in no bother.

BoJack Horseman · 13-10-2014 12:25pm

Streetwalker wrote: »

No chance a working family will end up paying 178 or anything like it. Triple that at the least.

Depends on the size of the family.

http://www.water.ie/customer-applications/charges/

Lucy and Harry · 13-10-2014 12:26pm

Looks like the protesters won as some people will be getting 100 euro off their water bill. http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/water-relief-for-low-income-families

I own 3 large dogs and they drink loads of water wonder could I claim for them.:p

Gatling · 13-10-2014 12:30pm

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Looks like the protesters won as some people will be getting 100 euro off their water bill. http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/water-relief-for-low-income-families

I own 3 large dogs and they drink loads of water wonder could I claim for them.:p

Ask your local CWO

VinLieger · 13-10-2014 12:31pm

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Looks like the protesters won as some people will be getting 100 euro off their water bill. http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/water-relief-for-low-income-families

I own 3 large dogs and they drink loads of water wonder could I claim for them.:p

The tax relief and expanding of the welfare IW exceptions were decided on before the protest actually happened they just got leaked this morning in preparation for tomorrow, although of course the protestor's will tout this as some kind of victory even though it was likely decided weeks ago.

Lucy and Harry · 13-10-2014 12:47pm

It would have been better if they just taxed people a little more somewhere else and no one would have paid as much attention instead of spending cash to put in meters in as they are charging a flat rate and not interested in conserving water.Even if you use less water they will have to meet their target and charge you extra.

geeksauce · 13-10-2014 12:51pm

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

It would have been better if they just taxed people a little more somewhere else and no one would have paid as much attention instead of spending cash to put in meters in as they are charging a flat rate and not interested in conserving water.Even if you use less water they ill have to meet their target and charge you extra.

That would be a good idea if everyone paid taxes though.

end of the road · 13-10-2014 1:50pm

Dean0088 wrote: »

You are aware that these protests haven't stopped any water meters going in, right?

As far as I can tell, water meter installation is disrupted for a few hours. Then IW come back a few days later and put them in no bother.

that happened in a couple of places, the meeters were removed or disabled

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-10-2014 2:01pm

Streetwalker wrote: »

I'm off work Thursday will be going out then. Care to join the effort?

No thanks i will be working and have no issue with the water meters being installed.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 13-10-2014 2:04pm

end of the road wrote: »

that happened in a couple of places, the meeters were removed or disabled

that would be vandalism

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No thanks i will be working and have no issue with the water meters being installed.

so who paid for the installation?

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-10-2014 2:06pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

that would be vandalism

so who paid for the installation?

Well i haven't seen the invoice yet so i can't really give you a name on that can i?

Iwasfrozen · 13-10-2014 2:09pm

end of the road wrote: »

that happened in a couple of places, the meeters were removed or disabled

That's illegal. So much for peaceful protesters.

What's wrong with meters anyway? It's better than being issued with a block charge.

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:12pm

Fair play to Paul Murphy the newly elected TD.
On the radio at lunchtime he said the he or members of the AAA will go to houses where the super quango has restricted supply and reverse the procedure.
I'm beginning to like this guy.
The water tax/charge is the straw that will break the camel's back, concessions already from the blueshirts extending the €100 allowance to everyone on the dole and tax rebates for those working.
It's a total f*ck up and the junta know that now. This is before one single bill has dropped through the letterbox.
It's no wonder that an 'unnamed government TD' was in the paper yesterday saying that this budget will be full of sweeteners as he 'doesn't see this government getting to the next budget day'.
A joke and a scam that people have had enough of.

Beaner1 · 13-10-2014 2:14pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Fair play to Paul Murphy the newly elected TD.
On the radio at lunchtime he said the he or members of the AAA will go to houses where the super quango has restricted supply and reverse the procedure.
I'm beginning to like this guy.
The water tax/charge is the straw that will break the camel's back, concessions already from the blueshirts extending the €100 allowance to everyone on the dole and tax rebates for those working.
It's a total f*ck up and the junta know that now. This is before one single bill has dropped through the letterbox.
It's no wonder that an 'unnamed government TD' was in the paper yesterday saying that this budget will be full of sweeteners as he 'doesn't see this government getting to the next budget day'.
A joke and a scam that people have had enough of.

The junta? Do you have a any idea how stupid you sound with that remark? It's up there with Herr Kenny.

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:15pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That's illegal. So much for peaceful protesters.

Good luck to the super quango finding any proof or prosecuting anyone.

BoJack Horseman · 13-10-2014 2:15pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

The water tax/charge is the straw that will break the camel's back,

Perhaps, though compared to your idea of an €17 billion cut in expenditure, IW is much more appealing.

Gatling · 13-10-2014 2:22pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Good luck to the super quango finding any proof or prosecuting anyone.

I'm sure those who post there look at me I'm a rebel video on YouTube will be easy enough to punish if the authories choose to

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:23pm

Beaner1 wrote: »

The junta? Do you have a any idea how stupid you sound with that remark? It's up there with Herr Kenny.

Do you know what a junta is?

jun·ta (hnt, jn-)
n.

1. A council or small legislative body in a government.

Ok you can call it the gang of 4 or maybe the 'Economic Management Council' as FG call it.

BTW, talking of stupid, how's the FB page going? What was it again? Workers for Water Charges or some tosh like that??

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:24pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Perhaps, though compared to your idea of an €17 billion cut in expenditure, IW is much more appealing.

Well, it was €9 billion cut I suggested, but don't let a few truths get in the way of a good lie.

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:26pm

Gatling wrote: »

I'm sure those who post there look at me I'm a rebel video on YouTube will be easy enough to punish if the authories choose to

?

BoJack Horseman · 13-10-2014 2:28pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Well, it was €9 billion cut, but don't let a few truths get in the way of a good lie.

But Father..... You said your deficit cutting plan was a 30% in public expenditure & public pay

That was €54bn last year.
Ipso-facto..... No one is going to buy that level of cuts.

Gatling · 13-10-2014 2:28pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

?

Autocorrect.

Just as bad as grammar nazism

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:29pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

But Father..... You said your deficit cutting plan was a 30% in public expenditure & public pay

Another lie.
What is it with you lads and telling lies?
Lies that can be disproven by me just reposting my posts.

Beaner1 · 13-10-2014 2:31pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Do you know what a junta is?

jun·ta (hnt, jn-)
n.

1. A council or small legislative body in a government.

Ok you can call it the gang of 4 or maybe the 'Economic Management Council' as FG call it.

BTW, talking of stupid, how's the FB page going? What was it again? Workers for Water Charges or some tosh like that??

Try again.
ˈdʒʌntə,ˈhʊ-/Submit
noun
1.
a military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force.

No idea how the page is doing, I've been too busy making money. Got paid today. €6900 in the account was nice to wake up to.

BoJack Horseman · 13-10-2014 2:36pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Another lie.
What is it with you lads and telling lies?.

Did they teach humility at the seminary?

Fr. Ned wrote: »

I'd prefer a cut in PS salary's of 30% and a corresponding 30% cut in welfare.

The people aren't buying that level of mega-thatcherism.
The cost to the economy is too great.

Iwasfrozen · 13-10-2014 2:44pm

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Good luck to the super quango finding any proof or prosecuting anyone.

IW neither looks for evidence or persecutes people.

It will however issue summons to those who don't pay their bills.

Fr. Ned · 13-10-2014 2:44pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Did they teach humility at the seminary?

The people aren't buying that level of mega-thatcherism.
The cost to the economy is too great.

So, not 30% of €54 billion as you stated earlier then.

Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

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