Ireland's "Peaceful Protestors" - Pest Control?

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imagine how much we could collect in revenue if we only just collected the actual real rates!

Why imagine?

Please tell us how much it would bring in?

Give us figures.
Then subtract the taxes you are against (ie: water). Then take that from €12bn and see how you got on in deficit reduction vs the government.

Be sure to show your work...

AudreyHepburn

Deleted User wrote: »

Really?

Good old Bertie finding money in suitcases and winning on the GG`s.

Is he tax compliant yet?

And every single TD, Minster, MEP, Senator, local representative, backbencher, party member, independent etc is just like Bertie are they?

:rolleyes:

Valetta

Deleted User wrote: »

Corporation tax is 12.5%.

Effective rate?


The headline corporate tax rate is 12.5%. However, the Irish tax regime has generated a considerable amount of controversy over the past number of years. US Senate hearings held last June into the tax affairs of Apple found that the tech giant had used Ireland to lower its tax rate on international earnings to just under 2%.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/effective-corporate-tax-rate-under-11-264661.html



Imagine how much we could collect in revenue if we only just collected the actual real rates!

The 12.5% and the 2% quoted are not based on the same figure.

We do collect CT from Apple, Google etc. at the "real" rate.

Valetta

Deleted User wrote: »

But how many have as much dept per capita as us?

Ah.. so you've edited your previous post to clarify that having dept per capita does not, in fact make us unique?

BoJack Horseman

Valetta wrote: »

The 12.5% and the 2% quoted are not based on the same figure.

We do collect CT from Apple, Google etc. at the "real" rate.

Is he mistaking revenue for profit?

Rookie mistake!

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Why imagine?

Please tell us how much it would bring in?

Give us figures.
Then subtract the taxes you are against (ie: water). Then take that from €12bn and see how you got on in deficit reduction vs the government.

Be sure to show your work...

12 billion? Where did you get that figure from?

The governments own figures state that the projected deficit will be 9.6 Billion.

Also I have given you one measure, in fact I have mentioned several measures including charging for water services but not water, cutting TD salaries.

Stop trying to pretend that there is a one stop all fix, I am offering options instead of the usual attack the poor type of taxes we keep seeing introduced.

As for how much would we get if we actually collected the real amount of corporation tax? I don't know, but I would say it would be significant.

I have heard figures mentioned that suggest around 1 -4 billion.

the_monkey

Scabs out ?

Scabs ?

Timberrrrrrrr

the_monkey wrote: »

Scabs out ?

Scabs ?

Yup

Because

"Hard working taxpayers who dare to cross our picket line"

was too long for them and they kept forgetting their lines.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

12 billion? Where did you get that figure from?

The governments own figures state that the projected deficit will be 9.6 Billion.

Also I have given you one measure, in fact I have mentioned several measures including charging for water services but not water, cutting TD salaries.

Stop trying to pretend that there is a one stop all fix, I am offering options instead of the usual attack the poor type of taxes we keep seeing introduced.

As for how much would we get if we actually collected the real amount of corporation tax? I don't know, but I would say it would be significant.

I have heard figures mentioned that suggest around 1 -4 billion.

Being as knowledgeable as you are you will know that the primary budget deficit peaked at around €12bn.

That's what the current government faced when elected & will successfully eliminate by year end.

You alluded repeatedly (contrary to evidence) that the government are failing to deal with debt.

So, put yourself in their shoes.

They got the primary deficit from 12bn to zero.if they are so bad, what would you have done better?

Its a simple task for one with all the answers!

AudreyHepburn

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And every single TD, Minster, MEP, Senator, local representative, backbencher, party member, independent etc is just like Bertie are they?

:rolleyes:

You made the claim that I shouldn't be making the assumption that politicians were in it for the money.

I have just provided you with an example, now you want more?



I could keep going but you would keep moving the goal posts.

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Being as knowledgeable as you are you will know that the primary budget deficit peaked at around €12bn.

That's what the current government faced when elected & will successfully eliminate by year end.

You alluded repeatedly (contrary to evidence) that the government are failing to deal with debt.

So, put yourself in their shoes.

They got the primary deficit from 12bn to zero.if they are so bad, what would you have done better?

Its a simple task for one with all the answers!

They got the primary deficit down by Austerity, Emigration, off balance sheet debt, and creative accounting. The one thing they didn't do was to hurt anyone on big salaries including their own.

How about we stop paying interest on the debt, that would wipe out the budget deficit overnight.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They got the primary deficit down by Austerity, Emigration, off balance sheet debt, and creative accounting. The one thing they didn't do was to hurt anyone on big salaries including their own.

How about we stop paying interest on the debt, that would wipe out the budget deficit overnight.

Yes.... Reducing spending & increasing taxes is called austerity.... Well done for noticing that. It isn't financial chicanery to cut expenditure.

So your solution is to default? Terrific... be grand! No negative consequences there.
(Which is effectively refusing to honour debt repayments amounts to).

We're looking for answers.... Numbers.
Not clichés.

Please don't let us down so far in!

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Yes.... Reducing spending & increasing taxes is called austerity.... Well done for noticing that. It isn't financial chicanery to cut expenditure.

So your solution is to default? Terrific... be grand!
(Which is effectively refusing to honour debt repayments amounts to).

Were looking for answers.... Numbers.
Not clichés.

Please don't let us down so far in!

Who said default?

I said stop paying the interest.

The EU will still get their money back, just under our terms which would be interest free.

No more Austerity, no more "tough decisions" for the government.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who said default?

I said stop paying the interest.

The EU will still get their money back, just under our terms which would be interest free.

No more Austerity, no more "tough decisions" for the government.

Will you stop paying interest on your mortgage?

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who said default?

I said stop paying the interest.

The EU will still get their money back, just under our terms which would be interest free.

No more Austerity, no more "tough decisions" for the government.

Except that refusing to repay interest on loans is effectively a default.... You may pretend otherwise.
Considering the vast majority of government debt is held by pension funds & savings..... To consider it consequence free is moronic.


So..... Still waiting for how you would get rid of the primary deficit.

We know you would pull an Argentina on the debt interest.

What about the €12 bn deficit the government faced just running the country?

DarkyHughes

wprathead wrote: »

I would view myself as a left-wing leaning individual.. but then I see that these are the type of muppets who you would be associated with. Is all rather disheartening..

Don't you can make a shift to the right & become a keyboard warrior like most people on AH.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Will you stop paying interest on your mortgage?

Many people can and have. Its called negotiation. Something Kenny promised and them forgot about.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Many people can and have. Its called negotiation. Something Kenny promised and them forgot about.

I asked

Will YOU stop paying interest on YOUR mortgage?

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Except that refusing to repay interest on loans is effectively a default.... You may pretend otherwise.
Considering the vast majority of government debt is held by pension funds & savings..... To consider it consequence free is moronic.


So..... Still waiting for how you would get rid of the primary deficit.

We know you would pull an Argentina on the debt interest.

What about the €12 bn deficit the government faced just running the country?

Faced with us paying back 0, or paying back the money we borrowed interest free im fairly sure they will take option B.

Hell, why not even go full hog and ask for a stay on the repayments, tell the EU that once the country is generating enough money we will start our repayments, but whilst we still have huge debt and deficits we wont.

simple negotiations what we need, the negotiations that we were promised.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I asked

Will YOU stop paying interest on YOUR mortgage?

If I had more money going out than I had coming in then yes I would negotiate with the bank to stop paying interest until such time I could afford to do so.

The bank would even allow me to defer some of the debt repayment and add it onto the end of the term.

Thats called being prudent.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Faced with us paying back 0, or paying back the money we borrowed interest free im fairly sure they will take option B.

Hell, why not even go full hog and ask for a stay on the repayments, tell the EU that once the country is generating enough money we will start our repayments, but whilst we still have huge debt and deficits we wont.

simple negotiations what we need, the negotiations that we were promised.

Still waiting for numbers.

You seem to think you have the answers (but they seem to be just hypothetical guesses).

You've had 4 years of hindsight to see what you would do better than this government you hate.

Show us your figures.
Wouldn't want to lose credibility!

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If I had more money going out than I had coming in then yes I would negotiate with the bank to stop paying interest until such time I could afford to do so.

The bank would even allow me to defer some of the debt repayment and add it onto the end of the term.

Thats called being prudent.

Banks don't do that. They let you pay interest only for a couple of years not interest free.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Banks don't do that. They let you pay interest only for a couple of years not interest free.

You speak for the banks now do you?

I know a few banks that have done exactly that.

some call it a payment holiday.

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Still waiting for numbers.

You seem to think you have the answers (but they seem to be just hypothetical guesses).

You've had 4 years of hindsight to see what you would do better than this government you hate.

Show us your figures.
Wouldn't want to lose credibility!

Ive just told you.

Stop paying the debt interest.

Current Projected defecit 9.6 Billion.

Cost to service national debt - €8 billion - Suspend payments.

Collect full payment from corporation tax - 1 billion
Increase

Introduce a wealth tax - 600 million

Deficit - Gone.

AudreyHepburn

Deleted User wrote: »

You made the claim that I shouldn't be making the assumption that politicians were in it for the money.

I have just provided you with an example, now you want more?



I could keep going but you would keep moving the goal posts.

One example in thousands.

That counts for nothing.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ive just told you.

Stop paying the debt interest.

Current Projected defecit 9.6 Billion.

Cost to service national debt - €8 billion - Suspend payments.

Collect full payment from corporation tax - 1 billion
Increase

Introduce a wealth tax - 600 million

Deficit - Gone.

So.... Default & go after corpo tax & the Shinner wealth tax.

Consequence free!......

But again friend....your dodging the question, you slippery rascal.

Forget about the underlying deficit for 2014..... You've spoofed default nonsense about that enough.

Cast your mind back to 2010.
The primary deficit is €12bn.... the overall deficit is €16.7 billion.
The bankster debt repayments have yet to kick in.

What do you do..... what do you do?

AudreyHepburn

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

One example in thousands.

That counts for nothing.

Did you watch the news this week, Enda Kenny fast tracking his mates into positions, perhaps you even missed the government breaking their own rules on special advisors!

But you think their all saints!

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

So.... Default & go after corpo tax & the Shinner wealth tax.

Consequence free!......

But again friend....your dodging the question, you slippery rascal.

Forget about the underlying deficit for 2014..... You've spoofed default nonsense about that enough.

Cast your mind back to 2010.
The primary deficit is €12bn.... the overall deficit is €16.7 billion.
The bankster debt repayments have yet to kick in.

What do you do..... what do you do?

Hmm, good one, perhaps we follow the Fianna Fail master plan, or we do an Iceland.

Or we cut sensible things, protecting the poorest people in society and use the pension reserve to create jobs.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Or we cut sensible things, protecting the poorest people in society and use the pension reserve to create jobs.

Rhetoric.... And actually what was done anyway, the S/w budget was barely touched..... What's left of the NPRF is being invested in jobs projects.

What do your numbers say?

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Rhetoric.... And actually what was done anyway, the S/w budget was barely touched.

What do your numbers say?

Dole went from 211 per week to €188, child benefit has had nearly annual cuts.
The Christmas bonus was cut.
Carers was cut.

Community schemes were destroyed, and lots of cuts in education.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dole went from 211 per week to €188, child benefit has had nearly annual cuts.
The Christmas bonus was cut.
Carers was cut.

Community schemes were destroyed, and lots of cuts in education.

Yep, all edges trimmed to protect the bulk of s/w expenditure.

So.... What is your alternate plan for the primary deficit (costed of course)..... Don't say default again!

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Yep, all edges trimmed to protect the bulk of s/w expenditure.

So.... What is your alternate plan for the primary deficit (costed of course)..... Don't say default again!

Your right, there is no other option than to continue to attack the poorest people in society.

Wate Charges are the only option to plug the deficit.

In fact Im delighted FG are looking and giving tax breaks to the richest people in the upcoming budget, times are tough and that's the only way to go.

Thankgod there are referendums planned next year on trivial matters, we need to spend the cash we havent got.

:rolleyes:

Remmy

Yep I can't watch stuff like that and not imagine it being my sister/gf or someone I care about.

BoJack Horseman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your right, there is no other option than to continue to attack the poorest people in society.

Wate Charges are the only option to plug the deficit.

In fact Im delighted FG are looking and giving tax breaks to the richest people in the upcoming budget, times are tough and that's the only way to go.

Thankgod there are referendums planned next year on trivial matters, we need to spend the cash we havent got.

:rolleyes:

Ah ah!...... Where is your alternate plan?

Rhetoric is rhetoric.... Deflection by distraction is amateurish.

One as clued in as you knows you could do better than TBS shower in Leinster house.

Numbers my good man.... figures....
Tick tock! We've gotta see this terrific deficit elimination plan!

BoJack Horseman

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Ah ah!...... Where is your alternate plan?

Rhetoric is rhetoric.... Deflection by distraction is amateurish.

One as clued in as you knows you could do better than TBS shower in Leinster house.

Numbers my good man.... figures....
Tick tock! We've gotta see this terrific deficit elimination plan!

Tax take is well ahead of target, looks like the people are reducing the deficit on their own.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tax take is well ahead of target, looks like the people are reducing the deficit on their own.

Ahhhhhhu ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa.

Getting this thread back on topic,

It appears the protests maybe working, a Video claims to be showing Irish water removing meters after demands from the residents.

Maybe some posters need a tissue to wipe away the tears?:D

Quin_Dub

Deleted User wrote: »

Getting this thread back on topic,

It appears the protests maybe working, a Video claims to be showing Irish water removing meters after demands from the residents.


Maybe some posters need a tissue to wipe away the tears?:D

Working?? - Not quite

Injunction re-instated for 8 people and 1 other possibly looking at Jail...

Quin_Dub

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Working?? - Not quite

Injunction re-instated for 8 people and 1 other possibly looking at Jail...

Maybe you missed the video that shows meters being removed?

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe you missed the video that shows meters being removed?

Allegedly.

Peppa Pig

Deleted User wrote: »

It appears the protests maybe working, a Video claims to be showing Irish water removing meters after demands from the residents.

It shows GMC Sierra workers removing a couple of water meters.
How can you deduce that they did this because the residents complained?

I also hope the H&S guy from yesterday does not see that video, with the general public inside the barriers with no safety gear.

Peppa Pig

Peppa Pig wrote: »

It shows GMC Sierra workers removing a couple of water meters.
How can you deduce that they did this because the residents complained?

I also hope the H&S guy from yesterday does not see that video, with the general public inside the barriers with no safety gear.

hence the word claim.

Where are the Gardai today I wonder, as you say members of the public inside barriers suggests meters being taken out as there are no protests and happy chatter.

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

hence the word claim.

Where are the Gardai today

In Finglas siezing horses in estates .


You better run you might catch it time

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

In Finglas siezing horses in estates .


You better run you might catch it time

That video was already posted yesterday.

Don't Chute!

Deleted User wrote: »

Getting this thread back on topic,

It appears the protests maybe working, a Video claims to be showing Irish water removing meters after demands from the residents.

Maybe some posters need a tissue to wipe away the tears?:D

Most of the pricks looking on there wouldn't know what a hard days work was if it bit them on the arse.

black and amber

black and amber wrote: »

Most of the pricks looking on there wouldn't know what a hard days work was if it bit them on the arse.

Ahh come on, leave the Irish workers lads alone, some of them cant help it if they have been forced onto Jobsbridge.

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ahh come on, leave the Irish workers lads alone, some of them cant help it if they have been forced onto Jobsbridge.

I think he's talking about the strung out idiots hanging over the walls

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

I think he's talking about the strung out idiots hanging over the walls

Thats the Irish water workers?

Pic from video shows one in a hole one stood around!

Don't Chute!

Ma wots yer man doin?
Hes workin son
Work? Wots dat?
Don't worry son you'll never need to know.

Peppa Pig

Deleted User wrote: »

hence the word claim.

Where are the Gardai today I wonder, as you say members of the public inside barriers suggests meters being taken out as there are no protests and happy chatter.

The guards were across the road beside a large Garda van. Clear on the video.

Of course they were meters being taken out but I could post that video and say it shows Irish Water removing faulty meters while the gardai keep the onlookers calm.