2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Permabear

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Overheal

Crying shame, the country would have voted for a socialist 5 times in a row

MightyMandarin

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Yes but past elections have seen Reagan, Bush and Nixon all get elected. Trump is definitely a strong contender. With Clinton America will get a great centre right politician. Is this good enough for a Nation that wants to push away the era of bad governance? Bernie Sanders like him or loathe him is Presidential and does not appeal to the lowest common denominator. Should he get nominated he will have to face the hardline Republicans. He is unlikely to win as America is too polarised. A new front line Democrat is needed to open us this election.

Bernie's smashing Trump and Cruz when matched-up in the polls. For most moderates and independents, Bernie is the lesser evil, assuming they're not liberals.

It's too late for a new entrant. The media tried to goad Biden into it but Hillary had all the big money sewn up. It's either Hillary or Bernie and at the moment, it looks like it could be Bernie.

Overheal

BTW, he's hinted on a few occasions that a VP pick for him might well be Elizabeth Warren, though I question whether he might also try to ask Joe Biden to reprise the role. Thoughts? I don't know enough about Warren.

First Up

Watched Clinton, Sanders, Rubio and Bush on Meet the Press today. Clinton was the most impressive by a country mile - cool and in command of her subject. She is nobody's darling but she oozed competence.

Sanders came across very poorly - inarticulate, and scripted and I was really disappointed in his lack of charisma. Rubio was pathetic - a pale imitation of Trump without the chuztpah and humour. Bush looked uncomfortable and hesitant.

Its clear that Trump can bluff and bluster his way through the debates against weak opposition. From what I saw today Clinton will wipe the floor with Sanders and in any case she has a huge lead nationally.

The Trump/Clinton debates should be fun.

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

BTW, he's hinted on a few occasions that a VP pick for him might well be Elizabeth Warren, though I question whether he might also try to ask Joe Biden to reprise the role. Thoughts? I don't know enough about Warren.

Warren would be s huge mistake. He needs a more conservative running mate. Preferably someone from the mid west.

Can't see Joe going again to be honest.

MightyMandarin

Overheal wrote: »

BTW, he's hinted on a few occasions that a VP pick for him might well be Elizabeth Warren, though I question whether he might also try to ask Joe Biden to reprise the role. Thoughts? I don't know enough about Warren.

I don't think he'll pick Warren, she's too much like him ideology-wise and he'll certainly drive a lot of moderate Dems away with that, as they're both on the left side of the party.

MightyMandarin

First Up wrote: »

From what I saw today Clinton will wipe the floor with Sanders and in any case she has a huge lead nationally.

The Trump/Clinton debates should be fun.

National polls are irrelevant this early in a campaign. What matters now is momentum which is exactly what Hillary needs. She's still a major force, but Iowa and NH are crucial states to take. If Sanders takes both, expect alarm bells to ring in her campaign because you could see a repeat of '08 happening again.

Black Swan

Countdown to the 4th Democrat presidential candidate debate on NBC telly Sunday at 9PM EST, 6PM PST, and 2AM (Monday wee morn) Eire time. Given the convergence of more than one polling source between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, it is expected that this session may be more spirited than the earlier 3 Democrat debates. Democrat Hillary appears to be hugging the centre of the political spectrum, while independent Bernie is progressive on behalf of the lower 90% in terms of wealth. Methinks it's doubtful that the Democrats will pick Bernie no matter how well he does in debate, or in the early primary states of Iowa (1 Februrary 2016) and New Hampshire (9 Februrary 2016). DNC prefers middle-of-the-road presidential candidates rather than a progressive Sanders.

KingBrian2

Black Swan wrote: »

Countdown to the 4th Democrat presidential candidate debate on NBC telly Sunday at 9PM EST, 6PM PST, and 2AM (Monday wee morn) Eire time. Given the convergence of more than one polling source between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, it is expected that this session may be more spirited than the earlier 3 Democrat debates. Democrat Hillary appears to be hugging the centre of the political spectrum, while independent Bernie is progressive on behalf of the lower 90% in terms of wealth. Methinks it's doubtful that the Democrats will pick Bernie no matter how well he does in debate, or in the early primary states of Iowa (1 Februrary 2016) and New Hampshire (9 Februrary 2016). DNC prefers middle-of-the-road presidential candidates rather than a progressive Sanders.

Yes but as Sanders himself has said it is about not ceding the ground to the Clinton supporters. Hillary Clinton is moving to the right to court Republican, Libertarian, Moderate and Independents as has been mentioned. The Dems will lose so much if there is no Bernie Sanders to speak up for those that have been neglected by the Democratic leadership. Obama may very well say I did well considering what I had to deal with but Bernie Sanders has to keep Democrats wanting more and more transparency in Washington. It is the only way to expose the corruption of the other side.

Manach

Methinks there is too much protest about Clinton by the progressives. Part of the reason might she might be the only adult left on the democratic side who at least has a clue on how to bring on board and work with opponents, as per Mr. Clinton in his terms, as opposed to engaging one-sided partisan rheotoric.

KingBrian2

Manach wrote: »

Methinks there is too much protest about Clinton by the progressives. Part of the reason might she might be the only adult left on the democratic side who at least has a clue on how to bring on board and work with opponents, as per Mr. Clinton in his terms, as opposed to engaging one-sided partisan rheotoric.

Another reason is the Dems have two potential nominees while the Republicans are fielding an Olympic team of potential nominees.:rolleyes:

Manach

Odd, I'm assuming here that innumeracy is not an issue, with the regal coronation of Clinton could be mistake for anything other than having a single real candidate in their field.

Permabear

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MightyMandarin

Bernie's healthcare plan was released earlier.

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Medicare-for-All.pdf

Looks pretty good as it goes further than the ACA in coverage for America's poorest.

Overheal

Hillary tried to attack his plan during the debate and came up short, hitting him on increased taxes for the middle class while ignoring that the plan does away with premiums that are far more expensive to middle class families.

Unfortunately he didn't come off clearly on the position of guns, and that may well show up as hurting him in the polls later this week. I only caught the tail end of the debate.

my friend

Bernie won tonight, can't wait to see the next polls

my friend

So the undemocratic Democratic Party thought Hillary's coronation path was all going to plan then along came Bernie

Here's the rub, if the dems nominate Hillary and if Trump takes the GOP nomination then Trump will be President, the only legitimate option the democrats have is to stop trying to unhitch Bernie

Bernie stands a better chance against Trump than Hillary.

This is the most entertaining US presidential election campaign in my lifetime

There is an opportunity for real change, not mere Obama waffle.

my friend

First Up wrote: »

Anybody would beat Trump.

Hillary won't

c_man

What do you guys think of Sanders age being an issue? He's 74 now (so would be 75 taking office), is that too old? At the very least it would make his choice of VP that bit more important imo.

20Cent

Sanders was asked about Bill Clinton's behavior. His reply is pure class. He refuses to take part in mudslinging and wants to debate on the issues facing the people. Not wanting to drag partners and children into it. Would be great if they all behaved this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwZg97ePDs

First Up

c_man wrote: »

What do you guys think of Sanders age being an issue? He's 74 now (so would be 75 taking office), is that too old? At the very least it would make his choice of VP that bit more important imo.

He is too old. He would six years older than Reagan on election day and even older than Bob Dole when he lost to Clinton in 96.

First Up

20Cent wrote: »

Sanders was asked about Bill Clinton's behavior. His reply is pure class. He refuses to take part in mudslinging and wants to debate on the issues facing the people. Not wanting to drag partners and children into it. Would be great if they all behaved this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfwZg97ePDs

Yes, it was the highlight of his night.

Permabear

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my friend

First Up wrote: »

He is too old. He would six years older than Reagan on election day and even older than Bob Dole when he lost to Clinton in 96.

Too old ? That's no different than saying too black too white too female or any other foolish off the cuff statement

One thing is for sure , last night Bernie was the winner.

Hillary will hit panic mode this morning

MightyMandarin

Permabear wrote: »

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This type of post is why Republicans who criticise Hillary irritate many independents and swing voters. If you want to attack Hillary, get her on the issues, attack her policies and her previous actions. Sure it's easy to sling mud at her over Bill and Chelsea's misdemeanours but in the eyes of many voters, myself included, it's distasteful and just not classy.

This goes for all politicians.

Permabear

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Thargor

Permabear some people would be embarrassed if criticizing a candidate based on how nice their daughters living room is was the best they could do on a political discussion board, do you not think theres a slight element of barrel scraping there? Your posts are getting more petty and hysterical by the day to be honest and the constant repetition is painful to read.

You're so black and white aswell, Hilary Clinton invested money in 1970, therefore any criticism of out of an control finance industry in 2016 makes her a hypocrite, her daughter married someone who works in a certain position, therefore any criticism of actions performed by other people who work in similar positions makes her a hypocrite, its so weak its laughable...

First Up

my friend wrote: »

Too old ? That's no different than saying too black too white too female or any other foolish off the cuff statement

One thing is for sure , last night Bernie was the winner.

Hillary will hit panic mode this morning

It is too old for someone promising to bring revolution. Not enough of those who agree with his message will fancy someone of their grandfather's age with their finger on the button and not enough of those who empathise with his age will have an appetite for a socialist revolution.

He did OK last night and will do well in Iowa and New Hampshire. That will keep the media interest going but Hillary is miles ahead in the next two (Nevada and South Carolina) and it will be a one horse race after that.

No panic.

Fr Tod Umptious

If Hillary is going to bring her husband and daughter and have them front and centre on her campaign trail then there will be some push back about them from her opponents.

As for Bernie's age.
Yes he is too old.
Remembered you are following a young president, that does not help an older candidate.

Hillary herself is no spring chicken.