2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Permabear

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MightyMandarin

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Not only is that entirely untrue (Bernie's policies follow the same ideology FDR, Truman etc. followed) but you and he say it like it's a bad thing when in fact it's only a bad thing for his business. I do hope he's scared because it's a sure thing if Bernie gets elected there'll be at least one person in power in Washington who has the bottle to take on Wall St.

ECO_Mental

I really don't how trump is still in the race, any normal person who goes and re tweets a neo nazi sympathiser would be sacked from any job in the country. Can you imagine if the CEO of any company or if Enda did the same they would be gone straight away. How is he immune to any criticism. Also how many staffers does he have do any body check over stuff to do even the simplest backround check. Really unbelievable stuff that he gets away with this


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-tweets-apparent-neo-nazi-supporter-n502136

my friend

So it appears camp Clinton reckon NH and Iowa are gone to Bernie, Nevada is now slipping for HRC where only a month ago she had a 20 point lead... Camp Clinton is dispatching Bill to Las Vegas next Thursday in an attempt to shore up support, he has some balls doing so in Vegas considering the anti democratic actions taken by the Clintons there in 2008

More detailed in this article..,

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/22/hillary_is_no_lock_in_nevada_bernie_gains_ground_in_key_primary_partner/

Extract....
'Indeed, the ’08 hangover, when the Culinary embraced Barack Obama and the Clintons went ballistic (Bill even called then-MGM Chairman Kirk Kerkorian to complain about casino caucus sites), appears not to have healed,” wroteRalston Reports. “There is bad blood there, made worse by Clinton beating the Culinary in the caucus (but then losing the delegate fight).”

Actually, it was worse than that. In 2008, the Democratic Party created special caucus sites at major Las Vegas casinos so workers could break and participate. The party was so pro-Clinton, however, that this reporter and longtime voting rights attorney Tova Wang witnessed party officials trying to block some casino workers from attending: they said the casino sites were reserved for people who were working that day, not for people who had taken the day off to caucus. That was the most overt polling place voter suppression incident Alternet witnessed in 2008'

Tammany Hall stuff is the Clinton bully style

eire4

my friend wrote: »

So it appears camp Clinton reckon NH and Iowa are gone to Bernie, Nevada is now slipping for HRC where only a month ago she had a 20 point lead... Camp Clinton is dispatching Bill to Las Vegas next Thursday in an attempt to shore up support, he has some balls doing so in Vegas considering the anti democratic actions taken by the Clintons there in 2008

More detailed in this article..,

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/22/hillary_is_no_lock_in_nevada_bernie_gains_ground_in_key_primary_partner/

Extract....
'Indeed, the ’08 hangover, when the Culinary embraced Barack Obama and the Clintons went ballistic (Bill even called then-MGM Chairman Kirk Kerkorian to complain about casino caucus sites), appears not to have healed,” wroteRalston Reports. “There is bad blood there, made worse by Clinton beating the Culinary in the caucus (but then losing the delegate fight).”

Actually, it was worse than that. In 2008, the Democratic Party created special caucus sites at major Las Vegas casinos so workers could break and participate. The party was so pro-Clinton, however, that this reporter and longtime voting rights attorney Tova Wang witnessed party officials trying to block some casino workers from attending: they said the casino sites were reserved for people who were working that day, not for people who had taken the day off to caucus. That was the most overt polling place voter suppression incident Alternet witnessed in 2008'

Tammany Hall stuff is the Clinton bully style

I can see Clinton folding the tent in New Hampshire but I doubt they are giving up on Iowa yet. The polls are all over the shop in Iowa some putting Sanders ahead some Clinton and there still is a town hall debate which will be broadcast live on CNN next Monday to come in Iowa. How that debate goes may be very telling on the outcome for Iowa given how tight it seems to be there.
I have not seen any recent polls on Nevada so I have no idea how the race there is going.

Manach

Well Mr. Trump campaign's seems to be prompting some unusual bedfellows. Leaving aside the usual leftist cries of disqualification, some serious conservative writers have united against him. For instance the well regarded National Review has devoted an issue on the unsuitablity of the front-runner.

"Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones,”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-nationalreview-218079

Given that Trump's entertainment value in provoking leftist outrage, while fun, is wearing a bit thin, hopefully it will mark a turning point against him.

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Overheal

Jeb doesn't jive well with too many conservatives and a lot will not go out to support him. They see him as a RINO, etc. as well as a - let's say, more effeminate incarnation of the Bush dynasty. The whole RINO moniker itself annoys me to no end.

As for the weakness thing: he's losing the race, so he's calling in.... Mom.

http://news.yahoo.com/flagging-polls-jeb-drafts-mom-campaign-180347122.html

The 90-year-old former first lady, whose husband and eldest son have already served as US president, famously advised her second son Jeb against running for the White House.

But it seems she has changed her mind.

Overheal

A devastating PAC ad goes after Donald Trump

ECO_Mental

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A devastating PAC ad goes after Donald Trump

That's great, is really bad when your own gang are going after you like that. But it really shows what a band wagon jumper he is. He has no ideals the only thing he is interested in is TRUMP.... It was shameless the other day when he was at liberty university pretending to be religious and reading from the bible and he couldn't even read it right..... Really showed him up as the charlatan he is

Manach

As per a BBC report, it looks like former NYC Mayor, Bloomberg, is contemplating a 3rd party run: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35392989
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The billionaire former mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, is thinking about running for president as an independent candidate, US media report.
Unnamed advisers told the New York Times the 73-year-old sees a gap and has instructed staff to draw up plans.
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Given his rather centralised bi-partisan positions, would this be creditable?

MightyMandarin

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A devastating PAC ad goes after Donald Trump

Damn that ad is savage, and it really shows that Trump's a populist, not a conservative. If his supporters saw this, it'd be interesting to see how their opinions might change as he's flip-flopped on pretty much everything he's said.

The group, which is called Our Principles PAC, is founded by Katie Packer, a veteran Republican strategist who served as deputy campaign manager on Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign.

It's interesting but unsurprising that it's establishment Republicans leading the charge against him, although I'm not sure if Cruz is a good alternative for them either.

MightyMandarin

Manach wrote: »

As per a BBC report, it looks like former NYC Mayor, Bloomberg, is contemplating a 3rd party run: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35392989
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The billionaire former mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, is thinking about running for president as an independent candidate, US media report.
Unnamed advisers told the New York Times the 73-year-old sees a gap and has instructed staff to draw up plans.
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Given his rather centralised bi-partisan positions, would this be creditable?

It'd be an expensive way to make Trump more likely to win. He'll take a load of votes from moderate Democrats who wouldn't vote for Bernie and mightn't like Hillary.

KingBrian2

This still rings true to most Americans. So whether its Sarah Palin, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton the financing and campaigning of politicians is highly dubious. It makes a mockery of the entire political establishment. The hardline conservatives will also agree with Bernie on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DqC9Worvkw

Thargor

Where have those kinds of ads been for the last 2 months? I can remember a lot of stuff like that from when the Apprentice was the biggest thing on tv, always thought of him as your classic rich liberal Democrat. Id say they must have enough material for 10 more of those.

Black Swan

Sarah Palin endorsed Trump. Is this a 2nd attempt by Palin to run for VP (as Trump's running mate) in an attempt to draw some of the women's vote, along with the Tea Party faction of the GOP? NPR suggested today that Palin's podium populism and rage during her 1st VP run paved the way for Trump.

Across the pond many are now waiting with great anticipation for tonight's SNL and Tina Fey's impersonation of Palin. It's hard to tell them apart in terms of looks, voice, and gestures, although Fey's humour has been grand when characterizing Palin as a fool.

Source: http://www.npr.org/2016/01/23/464068087/how-sarah-palin-paved-the-way-for-donald-trump

Thargor

Not even Trumps team would be mad enough to bring that imbecile into the fold, shes an embarrassment:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jan/21/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-video

my friend

It's great to see the impact Trump and Sanders are making
Notice the hollers from politicos, K Street and the out of touch party puppet masters.
Both parties have attacked these candidates and the mud slinging ain't working
The masses are excited by candidates that can't be bought
It's funny watching HRC trying so hard to be down with the kids and failing - great article here:
http://www.vice.com/read/hillary-clinton-killer-mike-problem

Fr Tod Umptious

Trump isn't getting any nomination.

Everything up to now, and possibly a little beyond New Hampshire and Iowa, is silly season stuff.

As I said before its soft support he is getting, the kind of support that never materialises when the people who support him in polls don't vote for him on the day or just don't come out and voete full stop.

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Black Swan

Independents (no party affiliation) greatly outnumber Democrats and Republicans at 43%, 30%, and 26% accordingly. Between 2008 and 2014 independents have grown from 35% to 43%, and should be the most important voting segment to address during presidential 2016.

To suggest that either the Democrats or Republicans are representing the majority of Americans today is problematic.

Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx

MightyMandarin

Black Swan wrote: »

Independents (no party affiliation) greatly outnumber Democrats and Republicans at 43%, 30%, and 26% accordingly. Between 2008 and 2014 independents have grown from 35% to 43%, and should be the most important voting segment to address during presidential 2016.

To suggest that either the Democrats or Republicans are representing the majority of Americans today is problematic.

Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx

Is this really a change though? I mean, for the longest time Dems have voted with Dems and Republicans with Republicans, leaving Independents to decide most elections in the 'purple states' such as Ohio, Florida etc.

Independents might have grown in size and be the largest of the 3 groups, but Independent candidates rarely get many votes so these Independents are voting for either Democrat or GOP candidates.

The 2 party system is still a mess though imo. The way things are at the moment, a moderate conservative must feel like a socialist in this current Republican party, and a liberal must feel like a communist in the Democratic party.

America has swung so far to the right, centre left/right candidates have almost been frozen out of politics, with the exceptions being Bernie, Warren, and possibly the likes of McCain, Boehner on the other side.

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banquo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Trump isn't getting any nomination.

Everything up to now, and possibly a little beyond New Hampshire and Iowa, is silly season stuff.

As I said before its soft support he is getting, the kind of support that never materialises when the people who support him in polls don't vote for him on the day or just don't come out and voete full stop.

I believe that, but the second we see him coming 1st or 2nd in Iowa it gets real fast. Will likely embolden his supporters, and see a rush of everyone else behind Cruz or Rubio.

MightyMandarin

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Bloomberg has less charisma than Hillary, which is a feat in itself, and Trump would laugh him off a debate stage. Bloomberg also has a mixed record as mayor and left office with a 49% approval rating.

Realistically, there's only one competitive middle-ground candidate in the race at the moment, and that's Hillary. What happens in the next few months remains to be seen but at the moment it doesn't look like America wants a candidate like this. I don't think Bloomberg would make a dent in the race.

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BoJack Horseman

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As I said before its soft support he is getting, the kind of support that never materialises when the people who support him in polls don't vote for him on the day or just don't come out and voete full stop.

I think that's why there is still 12 candidates in the race.

They are waiting for the inevitable flame-out & then the scramble to pick up the pieces.

theflipdave

Chris Cristie is now getting a bit of heat about the flooding in New Jersey. I do know a lot of newspapers and other media are behind him.

theflipdave

Who would be Vice President if Sanders got elected would be interesting. Michael Moore lol...

MightyMandarin

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Who would be Vice President if Sanders got elected would be interesting. Michael Moore lol...

It's far, far too early for this. Michael Moore also attracts a lot of hate from liberals, even though his films are 'pro-liberal' because he's been caught so many times manipulating situations to further his agenda.

Bernie will pick someone more central than him, that's the only sure thing at the moment anyway.