2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

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Fr Tod Umptious

Black Swan wrote: »

Indeed Fr Tod Umptious, all too familiar, and one that could do a better job attempting to draw in the fastest growing minority Hispanic voter segment, but seems to be stumbling about and failing to doing so.

Besides winning enough state primaries, additionally, Rubio (or whomever the GOP nominates) needs a female VP running mate (to offset Hillary) that is light years ahead of former Republican 2008 VP candidate Sarah Palin in terms of intelligence, knowledge, debating skills, masterful speech making, and a dynamic presentation-of-self before news media, celebrity media, and the campaign circuit, in contrast to the dull, boring, unimaginative Hillary Clinton. Carly Fiorina is even worse than Hillary in this regard.

This Republican female VP running mate could help draw the women's voting segment away from the Dems, and be the 1st female VP in the history of USA (Yes, I know female gender should not be a qualifier, but in November 2016 I believe it will have a significant impact). The one I am thinking about can also play on the fact she is outside the political establishment (like Trump and Carson), thereby appealing to that other segment (mostly independents) that are fed-up with the existing government establishment and established 2-parties. She did moderate the 3rd GOP debate, and was very threatening to the candidates that gave typical wishy washy answers, given her high level of knowledge and preparation. Although she does have a degree in political science, her professional work experience (International business and economics editor, "On the Money" anchor, etc.) and connections are with the Fourth Estate, and I believe she could manipulate the news media better than Trump, and beat the socks-off Hillary in debate. Swannie nominates for the GOP/VP: Becky Quick.

Quick is Quick!

Well that is certainly thinking outside the (squawk) box.

When you said female GOP VP candidate two things spring to mind.
One, do they really need one ?, will Hillary monopolize the female vote ?
And two the name that sprung to mind was Nikki Haley. But then again maybe not, she is from the south as is Rubio and she too is ethnic.

Overheal

Fiorina is once again crying woman hear-me-roar that she did not meet ABCs criteria to get on stage at the next debate (Finish top 3 in Iowa or Top 6 in either NH or National polling). Frankly, I'm just sick to death of her playing the gender card like she's a victim. Oh, and she did this to CNN back in August, and they capitulated. She also previously was hypercritical of the View for mocking her looks, and cried about liberal feminism, and has said of Hillary "at least I enjoy spending time with my husband."

http://www.kcci.com/politics/romney-gingrich-to-abc-put-fiorina-on-stage/37820614

eire4

oscarBravo wrote: »

Another is that it can be hard to get time off work to vote. This is exacerbated in some districts by an under-supply of voting machines, leading to long wait times to vote. Unsurprisingly, this is mostly a problem in districts with populations less likely to vote for the incumbent party's candidates - another symptom of the gerrymandering problem.

Yes your absolutely correct there. A problem that could be greatly eased by making election day a national holiday.

Black Swan

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well that is certainly thinking outside the (squawk) box.

Indeed.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

And two the name that sprung to mind was Nikki Haley. But then again maybe not, she is from the south as is Rubio and she too is ethnic.

Nikki Haley had an extraordinary opportunity to get national notice and name recognition when giving the Republican rebuttal to Obama's State of the Union Address, but I feel she fell short of presenting herself as a potential VP candidate. Certainly her presentation skills and content exceeded that of the 2008 Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, but it was just a well rehearsed and presented speech, nothing to get me to jump over the barricades and storm the Bastille. I was yawning half way through Haley's rebuttal, and went to make coffee. What a missed opportunity! Yes, thinking outside the Squawk Box I would rather have heard Becky Quick take the State of the Union Address apart, piece-by-piece just like she did the other day with a corporate CEO that walked into her "On the Money" lioness den.

Black Swan

eire4 wrote: »

Yes your absolutely correct there. A problem that could be greatly eased by making election day a national holiday.

Methinks the Republican controlled US Congress would never allow such a bill to pass while they were in power, and would once again assume the role of The Party of No if they lose control someday and such a bill came up; i.e., it's not in the GOP's best interests to increase the likelihood that these particular people vote.

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Ozymandius2011

The GOP race is effectively a dead heat now between Trump, Rubio and Cruz in that order in terms of polls. In NH Trump still leads in post-Iowa polls, but his lead is declining and Bush is in with a shot of coming 3rd or 4th here. The big problem for Cruz is that as with Huckabee in 2008 after winning Iowa, there are relatively few Evangelicals in New Hampshire (21% in the last GOP primary here, to 63% in the 2016 Iowa primary). Also NH is a primary not a caucus, so Independents are allowed to vote. They are less likely to care that Trump flipped between the two parties in the past.

JPNelsforearm

Trump has destroyed Jeb.... The "low energy" candidate, hes finished. This is pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA

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Thargor

I cringed at that last night when they were laughing at it on Sky News.

JPNelsforearm

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Not forgetting she's Goldman Sachs candidate of choice.. 600k for a speech, "but....but they dont own me, Im outside the system"

Meanwhile she has had over 31 hedge fund/wall street fundraisers since last April lol..

http://freebeacon.com/politics/all-hillary-clinton-wall-street-fundraisers/

If Bernie Sanders had balls he'd take down Clinton. He'd continually hammer her in public, bring up the Clinton initiative etc

Amerika

Trump loses a couple of primaries and takes his ball and goes home. Clinton is fitted with a new set of designer handcuffs. Carson fades into obscurity. Sanders is a Socialist. Cruz is Canadian. Christie is fat. And Rubio is the same as Obama was… a good speech giver with nothing to show for it.

Jeb Bush/Joe Biden

MightyMandarin

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

If Bernie Sanders had balls he'd take down Clinton.

Listen to the boos in the audience last night when Hillary tried to attack Bernie and defend her speaking fees.

He doesn't need to attack Hillary on anything. Bringing up her record as a proponent of the Iraq war, her super PAC support despite her 'complaints' against Campaign Financing, her ties with Wall St., her flip-flopping on several issues and rebutting her self-labelling as a 'progressive', is all he needs to do.

Hillary is the slimiest candidate in the race, aside from Cruz and Trump. When asked was she a part of the establishment, she said 'I can't be a part of the establishment because I'm a woman'. Stuff like that makes my blood boil. Her tactics of late have been disgusting. The people voting for her are the Democrat equivalent of Trump/Cruz supporters: un-informed or unintelligent people, or bandwagoners on the 'feminist/social justice warrior/black lives matter' train.

walshyn93

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When Sanders described Hillary as being part of the establishment she essentially said "but I'm a woman I can't be part of the establishment".

eire4

Black Swan wrote: »

Methinks the Republican controlled US Congress would never allow such a bill to pass while they were in power, and would once again assume the role of The Party of No if they lose control someday and such a bill came up; i.e., it's not in the GOP's best interests to increase the likelihood that these particular people vote.

Sadly your spot on. There is no way the current Republican party would allow election day to be made a national holiday. I mean come on that might mean more people would vote and how terrible would that be.

eire4

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Absolutely there are many issues and reasons as to why voter turnout is so pathetic and embarrassing in the US and making election day would certainly not be a panacea. However it would be a pretty straight forward thing to do and would help so I see no reason to do it and then look at other aspects of the problem that require more complex thinking and solutions.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Trump loses a couple of primaries and takes his ball and goes home. Clinton is fitted with a new set of designer handcuffs. Carson fades into obscurity. Sanders is a Socialist. Cruz is Canadian. Christie is fat. And Rubio is the same as Obama was… a good speech giver with nothing to show for it.

Jeb Bush/Joe Biden

You're back! I was a little worried about you tbh.

MightyMandarin

The republican debate was on last night and I think it's fair to say Rubio got obliterated, mostly due to his robotic answers (he trotted out the exact same line about Obama on no less than 3 occasions) but also with some help from Christie who had a great performance imo.

This clip shows how Rubio's momentum could've just been wiped out.

As an aside, the entrance sequence was an absolute car crash, and had me in tears laughing. (Ship to 0:30)

timmyntc

MightyMandarin wrote: »

As an aside, the entrance sequence was an absolute car crash, and had me in tears laughing. (Ship to 0:30)

It was indeed a car crash affair, however Trump's standing by Carson was quite admirable, and quite unlike him it has to be said. IIRC he says "you messed up" to Carson while he's standing beside him.

MightyMandarin

timmyntc wrote: »

It was indeed a car crash affair, however Trump's standing by Carson was quite admirable, and quite unlike him it has to be said. IIRC he says "you messed up" to Carson while he's standing beside him.

That sounds like something straight out of a Trump description. They both messed up and looked like eejits. The presenters also messed up in forgetting about Kasich too.

walshyn93

That gaffe is obviously not Carson fault. There clearly is no stage audio in that tunnel and you likely can't see the hosts given the angle of the tunnel and them being at the front of the stage. Poor planning by the stage manager who probably told him to wait in the tunnel for his name to be called then when Cruz came out Carson probably assumed they got the order wrong. Piss poor planning, the organisers should be getting panned for this, except people are just too eager to convince themselves that they're smarter than a brain surgeon so they'll pretend it was his mistake.

MightyMandarin

walshyn93 wrote: »

That gaffe is obviously not Carson fault. There clearly is no stage audio in that tunnel and you likely can't see the hosts given the angle of the tunnel and them being at the front of the stage. Poor planning by the stage manager who probably told him to wait in the tunnel for his name to be called then when Cruz came out Carson probably assumed they got the order wrong. Piss poor planning, the organisers should be getting panned for this, except people are just too eager to convince themselves that they're smarter than a brain surgeon so they'll pretend it was his mistake.

Just because he's a brain surgeon, doesn't mean that Carson hasn't got some stupid thoughts. I remember he insinuated that the Holocaust could've been prevented if the jews had more guns, which meant that we should protect the 2nd amendment. For all his soft speak and renowned professional life, Carson doesn't appear any more intelligent than Cruz and Trump imo.

BoJack Horseman

Did the cheering crowd drown out the hosts calling on Carson.

Perhaps then he felt it wasn't his cue to go on?

Nerves & what not.

MightyMandarin

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Did the cheering crowd drown out the hosts calling on Carson.

Perhaps then he felt it wasn't his cue to go on?

Nerves & what not.

I think the hosts moved too fast in announcing the names, so Trump and Carson didn't hear it properly. That said, you can see the backstage person telling Carson to go, and Carson nodded at him but didn't move.

It was a mess up from top to bottom. They should just let them all walk on in one go.

Manach

On intelligence, there is likely a study that shows the less people agree with one's views the less intelligent they appear.

On the guns in pre-Nazi Germany, AFAIR from studying primary/secondary sources there were both some weapons present. These were used as Freikorps and the Reds battled. However, given the take over of nearly all the institutions of the state and private sphere (with exception of Churches) post 1933, then a point could be made about having some weaponary in private hands: which might have provided a mere speed bump to such unchecked Nazi state power, but perhaps enough such bumps might have derailed them.

The Black Oil

Must have been uncomfortable to sit in Rubio's campaign HQ last night, considering how Christie clobbered him.

AbusesToilets

The Black Oil wrote: »

Must have been uncomfortable to sit in Rubio's campaign HQ last night, considering how Christie clobbered him.

Entirely obvious line of attack, Rubio is an empty suit, no substance to him whatsoever. GOP pushing him forward because of his ethnicity, in an attempt to emulate Obama's success.

Black Swan

Trump was using his The Apprentice board room face during the New Hampshire debates, as if he had already won NH, while the other Republican candidates squabbled among themselves. To call any of these proceedings a debate for either the Republicans or Democrats has been a sad joke. No "debate" has ever occurred yet for either party, not according to any rules of debate I've read or been involved in; rather these so-called debates have been moderated discussions at best.

K-9

Manach wrote: »

On intelligence, there is likely a study that shows the less people agree with one's views the less intelligent they appear.

On the guns in pre-Nazi Germany, AFAIR from studying primary/secondary sources there were both some weapons present. These were used as Freikorps and the Reds battled. However, given the take over of nearly all the institutions of the state and private sphere (with exception of Churches) post 1933, then a point could be made about having some weaponary in private hands: which might have provided a mere speed bump to such unchecked Nazi state power, but perhaps enough such bumps might have derailed them.

The Nazis already had militia groups patrolling streets pre 33. I think myself any type of Jewish militant fight back would have been used to paint an even worse picture of Jews, people could point to a physical threat on top of notions and prejudice in their heads.

Basically it would be reinforcement of preconceived ideas about Jews and Hitler would have actual "terrorists" to add to his list of gripes.