2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

BoJack Horseman

Is there any point asking for predictions tonight?

Is it a lock for Bernie & Donnie?

Manach

By how many % points they win by?
Trump 8%
Sanders 15%

BoJack Horseman

Yeah, seems about right for me, tough I think Bernie's margin could be higher.

Some of the very early tallies in northern NH counties have Sanders monstering Clinton.

Akrasia

Manach wrote: »

TBF the Chinese clone, thanks to their hacks, of the F35 are reported to be quite good.

The Chinese can barely clone a BMW Mini, i can't believe that they would be able to make a decent bootleg multirole strike fighter.... They'll probably make something half as good for 1/10th of the price though, and those are war winning statistics

Manach

Akrasia wrote: »

The Chinese can barely clone a BMW Mini, i can't believe that they would be able to make a decent bootleg multirole strike fighter.... They'll probably make something half as good for 1/10th of the price though, and those are war winning statistics

As someone who as read a good deal on cyber-security and IT systems : it is fairly common knowledge that the US security system had been infilrated on numerous occasions with numerous plans, including that of the F35 pilfered.
... if you are saying this is not the case?

ancapailldorcha

Back on topic please.

Akrasia

banquo wrote: »

Live county-by-county results from Politico.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-hampshire

Looking at these just now, it's looking
bad for Trump. Early days but he's even or behind everywhere there are results

Inquitus

Akrasia wrote: »

Looking at these just now, it's looking
bad for Trump. Early days but he's even or behind everywhere there are results

The amount of results in is statistically irrelevant at this point, especially in the republican race.

Akrasia

Inquitus wrote: »

The amount of results in is statistically irrelevant at this point, especially in the republican race.

You can prove anything with facts

I'm calling it early.

Junkyard Tom

Sorry, don't usually follow the utter farce the US presidential election is but is Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a 'socialist' threatening the Clinton anointment as Democratic Party nominee?

Black Swan

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Ludo wrote: »

No it hasn't...the only voting in NH that has concluded are those three tiny villages who vote at midnight.

InTheTrees wrote: »

Hang on a second there its only five thirty in the morning in NH, I think the polls will stay open all day wont they?

Zascar wrote: »

No it has not, it has only started.

In this case the old cliché "To err is human" applies to me. Thanks guys for correcting my error (I'm working 2 jobs at the moment and it shows!)

It's way, way too early to guess how the vote will go given that they are counting state-wide at the moment, and some polls should still be open, but the very early NY Times Results 9 February 2016 at 7:27PM EST are:

Sanders 60.7% and Clinton 32.1%

Cruz 24.3%, Trump 24.3%, Kasich 24.3%, Christie 8.1%, Rubio 5.4% with only 3 of 300 precincts reporting, so this is way, way too early to be meaningful.

Overheal

Black Swan wrote: »

this is way, way too early to be meaningful.

Actually the polls closed hours ago

just kidding Swannie

BOHtox

Does HRC have 6 delegates wrapped up already? And if so, why?
Or is it just one of those anomalies with US politics
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-hampshire


EDIT: Most news networks calling it for Trump and Sanders.

Overheal

reminds me, im interested to see if much has changed to these numbers:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/98c6fd82b5154d01ae2bc998f69d4f23/clinton-has-early-commanding-delegate-lead-nomination

its probably counting 6 superdelegates who have already pledged support to Hillary prior to the Primary. Which is dirty and all, but it is. 8 total are up for grabs in NH.

StewartGriffin

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Sorry, don't usually follow the utter farce the US presidential election is but is Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a 'socialist' threatening the Clinton anointment as Democratic Party nominee?

Sanders and Trump win New Hampshire. Old Bernie is becoming a threat to global stability. If he gets the democratic nomination, Trump will be the next president of the U.S.A.

Overheal

how does he threaten global stability??

Overheal

I always wonder what people do on their write in ballots, like the people who don't like any of these people running

"Alan Greenspan"

"Al Gore"

"Ron Paul"

"Robot Nixon"

"A Wet Fart"

StewartGriffin

Overheal wrote: »

how does he threaten global stability??

He will put Donald Trump in the White House. If Trump wins the Republican nomination and Sanders is the only alternative, Trump will win the presidency. If Hillary is in the race, moderate voters will pick her.

Overheal

StewartGriffin wrote: »

He will put Donald Trump in the White House. If Trump wins the Republican nomination and Sanders is the only alternative, Trump will win the presidency. If Hillary is in the race, moderate voters will pick her.

That's a bit narrow and hardly any sort of analysis.

Media outlets beginning to call it for Bernie Sanders by a 'yuge margin

http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-bernie-sanders-has-won-the-new-hampshire-dem-primary/

Trump also looks set to run away with it

StewartGriffin

Overheal wrote: »

That's a bit narrow and hardly any sort of analysis

And that response is in depth and broad? Lol. Result was called 20 minutes ago by the way.

Overheal

I think you underestimate how many voters will support Sanders if Trump is the other candidate.

Here is Trump on his Border Wall plan. Note that it makes no ****ing sense.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/msnbcs-tamron-hall-corners-trump-with-mexican-border-wall-questions/

Black Swan

The media may be calling the NH primary election (due to super delegates, etc) as already a Sanders and Trump win, although at 8:22PM EST NY Times reports only 37 of 300 GOP districts have reported, and only 41 of 300 Dems districts have reported: Sanders 56.3% and Clinton 41.6%; Trump 34.2% and Kasich the nearest GOP competitor at 15.8%. So unlike the Iowa polling organisations that showed a clear Trump win a week before the Iowa caucus (and were way off), it appears that the polling organisations came closer in NH.

StewartGriffin

Overheal wrote: »

I think you underestimate how many voters will support Sanders if Trump is the other candidate.

Maybe. But I think you underestimate how many voters will support Trump if Sanders is the other candidate.

We might find out soon enough.

Junkyard Tom

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Sanders and Trump win New Hampshire. Old Bernie is becoming a threat to global stability.

Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein has described Sanders as 'Dangerous' because Sanders said:

Sometimes there is no end to arrogance. … Lloyd Blankfein is the CEO of Goldman Sachs. … During the financial crisis Goldman Sachs received a total of $814 billion in virtually zero-interest loans from the Federal Reserve and a $10 billion bailout from the Treasury Department. … And now with his huge wealth he is coming here to Washington to lecture the American people on how we have got to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid for tens of millions of Americans who are struggling now to keep their heads above water.

Bernie Sanders

What an arrogant cunt Blankfein is.

It reminds me of Adam Smith's statement:

All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.

If he gets the democratic nomination, Trump will be the next president of the U.S.A.

At least the American people will know what they're getting with Trump. Obama was a re-brand who sold 'hope and change' and delivered SFA.

Tar.Aldarion

StewartGriffin wrote: »

He will put Donald Trump in the White House. If Trump wins the Republican nomination and Sanders is the only alternative, Trump will win the presidency. If Hillary is in the race, moderate voters will pick her.

It's actually the opposite as a big percentage of democrats say they will not vote for hilary, moreso than bernie. She is not seen as honest and a flip flopper.

Overheal

Maybe. But I think you underestimate how many voters will support Trump if Sanders is the other candidate.

We might find out soon enough.

do I?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-sanders

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/264023-in-blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

either way he's very likely getting the nomination: less than a month ago, Clinton had a 25 point national lead against Sanders. That lead is now almost completely gone.

And by the way, there were similar doomsday prophecies about Obama - hell, he was even referred to literally as the Anti-Christ - it's best not to take stock in such base fearmongering. I was rather hoping when you were saying it would be the doom of us all that you had some clearer rationale.

Overheal

At least the American people will know what they're getting with Trump.

Not really. He can't explain anything about his plans, and everyone from the bottom up to the top and back down has said they're infeasible, unwise, or unrealistic: building a wall, banning the muslims, "beating the **** out of ISIS" etc. I guarantee you whatever he does will do nothing to benefit 9/10 Americans.

Black Swan

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

At least the American people will know what they're getting with Trump.

Methinks that the American voter will not "know what they're getting with Trump" until (and if) he is elected. Trump has been playing the news and celebrity media expertly, getting free daily coverage stating "outrageous" and controversial things per his 1987 book "The Art of the Deal" (pp 56?). So, per his book, no one knows for sure what Trump will do if elected. And Trump might not know at this moment in time, and may be just making it up as he goes along (like when he hosted Celebrity Apprentice).

StewartGriffin

Overheal wrote: »

do I?

Yes, you do. You can link all the MEDIA outlets you like, doesn't matter, you're analysis and opinion is no better than anyone else's.

In my opinion due to his age and his politics Sanders is unelectable.

Like I said, we can only wait and see.

Junkyard Tom

Overheal wrote: »

Not really. He can't explain anything about his plans, and everyone from the bottom up to the top and back down has said they're infeasible, unwise, or unrealistic: building a wall, banning the muslims, "beating the **** out of ISIS" etc. I guarantee you whatever he does will do nothing to benefit 9/10 Americans.

I guess what I mean is that at least Americans will know they're getting a power-hungry venal ****wit for President as opposed to an 'Obama' who sold power-hungry venal ****wittery as 'hope and change'.