2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Thargor

Colonialboy wrote: »

Hilary sure is spending alot of money in comparison to the other candidates on both sides. The only one who came near to her is Jeb Bush.
Its amazing how well Trump is doing considering how little he has spent. Hilarys spent more PAC money than Trump has raised for his whole campaign.

Where can he even spend his money if he wanted to? It's wall to wall Trump coverage everywhere you look, it's bigger than the hype around Obama in 2008. Every website and blog whether left or right leaning is just covered in Trump stories...

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snubbleste

Clinton's slogan “Make America Whole Again"
immediately made me think

Inquitus

Pretty much the perfect result for Trump last night, gave both Cruz and Rubio enough oxygen to carry on for the next few weeks, keep the anti-trump vote split and allow him to bring home the nomination.

Cruz is a busted flush, he didn't do well in the South where he needed to do well, but he did well enough to convince him to stay in for a few weeks.

Rubio is the one candidate who could beat Trump one on one imo, and Cruz performed better than he did last night so Cruz will stay in, keeping Rubio fighting for 2nds and 3rds thru March 15th.

Arise our GOP nomineee Sir Drumpf!

InTheTrees

snubbleste wrote: »

Clinton's slogan “Make America Whole Again"
immediately made me think

Its not hillarys slogan.

Trump has the slogan "make america great again".

ECO_Mental

CNN are just reporting that Carson is pulling out, he doesn't see a path forward. His campaign just seemed to fall off a cliff after the first primary. That's one crazy out....aliens, jail turing people gay, trying to gut people with kives etc I could go on.

KingBrian2

The number of candidates has fallen now it a straight forward brawl between Trump and Cruz.

JPNelsforearm

I've only watched 40 or so minutes of this but it's good video on Marco Rubio's background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TihORiLAvbo

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Inquitus

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If they do that they are just torching the party, you can't disavow your nomination process because you don't like the result, run a third party candidate and expect it not to rip open further the divide between the base and the establishment. Demographics are putting the presidency further out of the GOP's reach, this sort of action will put them out of contention for a generation.

Colonialboy

Trump is recieving support from many career Republican politicians.
They are sensing the mood in their own states among the electorate and they are sensing they need to row in behind it which means endorsements for Trump. Also some of them just tend to agree with much of Trumps sentiment.

Akin to FG and Labour, ignoring the indicators in the local council elections and not changing course and getting swiped in the general election.

Only in America I think trumps momentum will get Republican to change course over the next 6 months and they will back him.
Republicans voter turnout is hitting record highs, peopel have woken up and see Trump as viable option they believe will really deliver.
Democratic turnout is record lows, cos their electorate base is confuused, they know its the same old thing with Hilary and they havent had time to digest the Trump alarm clock ringing. They are in a morning stupour but once the are wide awake some will say, Trumps message is onto something.

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eire4

Akrasia wrote: »

He did more or less as he expected to do. Won 4 and MA was essentially a tie.

Actually I would say Sanders did better then expected. At most I thought he would win 2 states last night. Maybe at a push 3. I never thought he would actually win 4 although I felt he needed to win at least 4 to stay alive in the Democratic race. The fact he was only 1% away from winning 5 states is very surprising.


What is interesting for Sanders is that now there have been 8 southern states voted in and while Clinton cleaned up winning 7 of them there is still most of the midwest, northeast and all of the west coast yet to vote and Sanders will feel he can do well in those states. There are of course still some southern states like Louisianna left but most of the southern states are done now.


Sanders has won 5 and lost 2 of the non southern states with Iowa a tie from a delegate standpoint so while Clinton certainly still is the clear Democratic front runner Sanders kept himself alive by winning 4 states last night.

JPNelsforearm

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The traditional conservative party isnt doing much conserving, hence the rise of the tea party etc and Trump who has seen the gap in the market. RINO being replaced with the far more vicious(and funnier) cuckservative is symptomatic of the sea change. Those one fifth arent republicans or conservatives, the republicans(or rather "neo cons" running the party) bent over backwards and promoted restrictions to liberty and privacy hand in hand with the Democrats. They cant keep pulling the wool over the voters eyes by being a slightly right version of the Democrats with more religious crap.

Amazingfun

Ann Coulter has written a great piece on the Duke sideshow. She asks so many hard hitting questions, ones never asked of Democrats by the media. I cannot believe the easy ride Hillary has had so far, that's why it would be so wonderful to have Trump running against her. He would ask!

David Duke IS a random person: The KKK has not been an organization of any significance since the mid-'60s (outside of Southern Poverty Law Center fundraisers), and David Duke hasn't been a member of this meaningless group since 1980.

Also, David Duke has never been accused of rape. Hillary's most prominent supporter has. Will she be asked to disavow Bill Clinton?

If she doesn't think her husband raped Juanita Broaddrick, how about the sexual assaults claimed by Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Christy Zercher, Eileen Wellstone, Carolyn Moffet, Elizabeth Ward Gracen and Sandra Allen James, as well as a half-dozen other women?

Does Hillary believe any of her husband's accusers? How many sexual assault accusations must there be before she disavows him?

As far as I know, David Duke has also never supported cop-killing. Boatloads of Hillary's supporters do -- and she plays footsie with them by endorsing #BlackLivesMatter.

I will give Hillary the benefit of the doubt, and say I do not believe that she personally supports cop-killing. But why is she seeking the votes of murderous thugs? What kind of campaign is she running that attracts such people? Will she disavow them? Is she willing to state forthrightly that cops' lives matter?

I am not aware of David Duke ever inciting a mob that went on to commit murder. Al Sharpton has -- and no Democrat can run for president without kissing his ring.

Read the rest here:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-03-02.html#read_more

oscarBravo

Amazingfun wrote: »

Ann Coulter has written a great piece...

That'd be a first. Coulter is a troll. Describing anything she has written as a "great piece" is comparable to Trump describing Katie Hopkins as a "respected columnist".

Fr Tod Umptious

oscarBravo wrote: »

That'd be a first. Coulter is a troll. Describing anything she has written as a "great piece" is comparable to Trump describing Katie Hopkins as a "respected columnist".

But she makes some valid points that will no doubt be brought up by a lot more people than Ann Coulter between now and November.

20Cent

More people assaulted at trump rallies. Only a matter of time until someone is killed at one the way he is hyping the crowds up

oscarBravo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But she makes some valid points that will no doubt be brought up by a lot more people than Ann Coulter between now and November.

A stopped clock, and all that. If there are valid points to be made, they'll be listened to by rational people when they're made by rational people.

Akrasia

20Cent wrote: »

More people assaulted at trump rallies. Only a matter of time until someone is killed at one the way he is hyping the crowds up

He should consider having a rally for the Republicans abroad. Maybe in a nice city like Nuremburg.

It would be like a pilgrimage for the Neo Nazi supporters who have been filmed at his rallies engaging in racist chants and violence against black people in the crowd.

There haven't been violent incidents at the rallies of any other candidates, but if there were, I'd presume that the candidates would try to discourage them. Trump is up on stage riling up the crowd and encouraging his security to treat them roughly and throw them out.

he'll argue that the people who are ejected are thrown out for disrupting the event, but on super Tuesday, there were 30 people thrown out of the rally who hadn't any protest literature, and weren't making any noise or being disruptive in any way.

They were kicked out because of the colour of their skin.

JPNelsforearm

"violence against the black people in the crowd"

rofl

Strong way of putting it. Just randomly attacking black people, who wrote that? Wouldnt be Sean King would it? The white lad pretending to be black, who hops on every issue in an effort to race bait?

They were "Black Lives Matter" protesters, protesting and disrupting, what did they expect, call me when the KKK rocks up at a predominantly black private event, separates themselves from security and see what happens to them.

timmyntc

Akrasia wrote: »

There haven't been violent incidents at the rallies of any other candidates, but if there were, I'd presume that the candidates would try to discourage them. Trump is up on stage riling up the crowd and encouraging his security to treat them roughly and throw them out.

When has Trump ever told his security to rough up protestors?


Because here he explicitly tells his security 'Don't hurt him'.

Trump interrupted his speech several times to comment as the demonstrators were led from the rally by U.S. Secret Service agents and Metro Police, complaining that he would be criticized whether he encouraged rough treatment or not.

“Don’t hurt him,” Trump said, as supporters pushed and shoved a black man in the crowd. “See, if I say go get him, I get in trouble with the press — the most dishonest human beings in the world, the worst. If I say, don’t hurt him, the press says, maybe Trump isn’t as tough as he used to be. Can you believe this?”

Akrasia wrote: »

he'll argue that the people who are ejected are thrown out for disrupting the event, but on super Tuesday, there were 30 people thrown out of the rally who hadn't any protest literature, and weren't making any noise or being disruptive in any way.

They were kicked out because of the colour of their skin.

Any source for this outrageous claim? Or is it just another baseless assumption thrown out by the media to be gobbled up by gullible people? Because from reading the various news sources that reported on this alleged incident, it seems that a bunch of students starting swearing at a rally, got kicked out, and then made an accusation that nobody seems to be able to corroborate.
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"I think we got kicked out because we're a group of black people," one of the students said. "It shows you how racist our own school is that we can't even go to our own school complex."

The fact that they're blaming the school too shows these people are just playing the victim. AFAIK Trump's own security detail manage these rallies, so the school has nothing to do with it.

K-9

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But she makes some valid points that will no doubt be brought up by a lot more people than Ann Coulter between now and November.

I'm not saying Hillary supports cop killers but...

People can go too far with the crazy stuff and it ends up back firing.

oscarBravo

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump has said he would like to punch a protester in the face, bemoaning the "old days" when he said the man would have been taken out of the event on a stretcher.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/donald-trump-id-like-to-punch-protester-in-the-face-34477589.html

Trump on protester: 'Maybe he should have been roughed up'

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/

Akrasia

timmyntc wrote: »

When has Trump ever told his security to rough up protestors?

There was a protester last year who was being kicked out, Trump Told his security team to take his coat and throw him out into the freezing cold.

"I don't think we can be beaten. There's a momentum that we have, there's a momentum that we have that is so unbelievable—I thought I heard a little voice over there. Alright, get him out. Take him out. Get him out of here. Ya, don't give him his coat. Don't give him his coat, keep his coat. Confiscate his coat. You know, it's about ten degrees below zero outside. No, you can keep his coat. Tell him we'll send it to him in a couple weeks."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/donald-trump-protestors-vermont/423447/

or the protester who he wishes he could 'punch in the face'

“I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out in a stretcher, folks.”

The crowd thundered in agreement.

“I’d like to punch him in the face,” Mr Trump added.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/donald-trump-wanted-to-punch-protestor-in-the-face-383709.html

Any source for this outrageous claim? Or is it just another baseless assumption thrown out by the media to be gobbled up by gullible people? Because from reading the various news sources that reported on this alleged incident, it seems that a bunch of students starting swearing at a rally, got kicked out, and then made an accusation that nobody seems to be able to corroborate.
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The rally hadn't even started when the students were ejected, and 'using profanity'. was this before or after they were 'escorted' out of the premises

USA Today confirmed that the Students were asked to leave by the trump security detail and the reason given was 'Trump doesn't want you here'

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/29/donald-trump-georgia-rally-valdosta/81129964/

The fact that they're blaming the school too shows these people are just playing the victim. AFAIK Trump's own security detail manage these rallies, so the school has nothing to do with it.

Trump is a presidential candidate, speaking at a university that was whites only until the 1960s, holding a rally where you are welcome to attend if you're a white supremacist, but not if you're black.

You can support this guy all you like, but to me he's a dangerous, hate-monger and it would be absolutely disastrous if he ever got into the White house.

Fr Tod Umptious

K-9 wrote: »

I'm not saying Hillary supports cop killers but...

People can go too far with the crazy stuff and it ends up back firing.

Its the cover up of Bill's history I was really referring to, the cop killing stuff is hyperbole.

Its the cover ups that will get her, cover ups always do.

InTheTrees

Here's the video of this mornings highly anticipated Mitt Romney speech condemning Donald Trump. Fascinating stuff. I wonder how much, if at all, it will effect Trumps support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhfdF9bA-lg

eire4

Kind of an aside here. But I have bemoaned frequently on here how broken corrupt and dysfunctional the US system of government is and complicity in that remaining the case is the MSM for me.


Then we have the CEO of one of the major networks say the following:


Early this week, CBS CEO Les Moonves came out and said it: Profiting from hate is not only more important to him than the good of the country — he wants to do more of it.
Speaking on a panel in San Francisco, Moonves said Trump’s campaign “may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS” and that “The money’s rolling in, this is fun.” He went on to say “it’s a terrible thing to say, but bring it on, Donald, go ahead, keep going.”1

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Akrasia

InTheTrees wrote: »

Here's the video of this mornings highly anticipated Mitt Romney speech condemning Donald Trump. Fascinating stuff. I wonder how much, if at all, it will effect Trumps support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhfdF9bA-lg

Romney unleashed the full power of his magic underpants to make that speech.