2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Black Swan

511 wrote: »

'Cause that protester was also disrupting free speech. People protesting Trump and disrupting his rallies are initiating the censorship.

Trump has been divisive in America, essentially settling one group against another, while at the same time appealing to the fears and anger and bigotry that exists in segments of the American population. He continues to advocate person-to-person violence in rally statements against protesters. To what extent did the violence between Trump supporters, protesters, and police occur in Chicago today as a self-fulfilling prophecy arising from statements made by Trump, the below being one of many:

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise," said Trump.

12Phase

It's also questionable as to whether that kind of incitement to imminent violence is even covered under 1st amendment rights.

There's an often misunderstood assumption that US freedom of speech is absolute. It actually has some restrictions.

Frank Bullitt

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/escalating-aggression-marks-trump-s-rhetoric-642743363967

Well worth a watch. And very scary stuff.

511

Black Swan wrote: »

Trump has been divisive in America, essentially settling one group against another,

Which groups has he set against each other? If this is about Mexicans, then you can blame the mainstream media for that because their the ones twisting his words and publishing them everywhere during their massive smear campaign against the man.

while at the same time appealing to the fears and anger and bigotry that exists in segments of the American population.

America does have a problem with that, but the elephant in the room is that multiculturalism isn't working very well outside of middle and upper class suburbs in America. When you look at America's crime statistics, you'll see that African American and Latinos are over-represented and that's why there is much support for America's boarder barrier with Mexico.

He continues to advocate person-to-person violence in rally statements against protesters. To what extent did the violence between Trump supporters, protesters, and police occur in Chicago today as a self-fulfilling prophecy arising from statements made by Trump, the below being one of many:

"So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of 'em, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise," said Trump.

Selective quoting there, you're falling from the same propaganda these protestors are. Here's the full quote from the video in that article:

"So I got a little notice in case you see. The security guys, we have wonderful security guys. They said, 'Mr. Trump, there may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? OK, just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won't be so much because the courts agree with us, too."

If they're bringing tomatoes to a rally, then they're obviously not there to for a friendly and peaceful protest. There's noting wrong with a preemptive strike. These idiots are showing up with signs saying "Trump = 卐", which just demonstrates how moronic these people are because I don't think anyone in their right mind believes Trump is a National Socialist; otherwise, Ben Carson wouldn't be endorsing him.

Trump has never said anything discriminatory and has stayed within his constitutional rights. The main cause of this violent protest is the mainstream media's massive smear campaign against the man. I've never seen a politician been subjected to so many lies in life.

You never see trump supporters disrupting Clinton's or Sanders' rallies, it's the left who are initiating all the trouble and it's all over the lies in the mainstream media's smear campaign against the Trumper.

Black Swan

Gintonious wrote: »

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/escalating-aggression-marks-trump-s-rhetoric-642743363967

Well worth a watch. And very scary stuff.

This vid shows a progression of violent advocacy speech by Trump at rallies leading all the way up to today's (Friday) Chicago mass violence by Trump supporters, protesters, and police. The vid reporter Rachel Maddow suggests that Trump has been staging these rallies over months in such a way as to increase the potential for violence by supporters and protesters, which of course will draw media attention to Trump and give him more free coverage.

The Los Angeles Times has drawn a similar conclusion as Rachel Maddow: "For months, the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination has used protester disruptions as a theatrical device at his raucous rallies in sports arenas across the nation."

Protesters, as a theatrical device for the Trump for President Reality Show (replacing The Apprentice) are part of the screenplay, as was suggested by Trump when he says: “Can I be honest with you? It adds to the flavor,” he told his cheering supporters about protesters. “It really does. It makes it more exciting. I mean, isn’t this better than listening to a long boring speech?”

BoJack Horseman

Watch Trump rise again in polls.

When people see the SJW mob attack the right of free assembly, even more of those disillusioned with politics move to his banner.

Reminds me of people spitting at conservative party members trying to attend their annual conference in the UK.
It only acts to repel people.

Bobeagleburger

Trump has the nomination sewn up according to the bookies

LuckyLloyd

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Watch Trump rise again in polls.

When people see the SJW mob attack the right of free assembly, even more of those disillusioned with politics move to his banner.

Reminds me of people spitting at conservative party members trying to attend their annual conference in the UK.
It only acts to repel people.

100% agree with you. Far too much floating around by liberals who think Trump is dangerous and want to stop him that confuses their urge to see him shut down and embarrassed with an understanding about what his campaign is about and who it appeals to. Simply put, his campaign is already about an essential siege mentality - the siege mentality of white lower class whites. Trump gets to stand up and say 'they're trying to shut you down'. The demographic susceptible to his campaign will only be switched on by this event.

Beat this man at the polls America. If you try to beat him any other way you will LOSE at the polls.

JPNelsforearm

Violent Mexicans force shut down of Trump rally, you couldnt write this stuff, "they are coming for your freedom of speech, your right to assembly, your right to keep and bear arms, thats why they try and stop me". Trump couldnt have done better had he paid them himself.. All he needs now is some LaRaza headcase shouting about Reconquista and that'll be that

20Cent

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Violent Mexicans force shut down of Trump rally, you couldnt write this stuff, "they are coming for your freedom of speech, your right to assembly, your right to keep and bear arms, thats why they try and stop me". Trump couldnt have done better had he paid them himself.. All he needs now is some LaRaza headcase shouting about Reconquista and that'll be that

Trump cancelled the rally.
He doesn't like anyone who disagrees with him coming to public events.
Calls for them to be assaulted and beaten.
Think he's the one censoring and shutting down.

Fr Tod Umptious

20Cent wrote: »

Trump cancelled the rally.
He doesn't like anyone who disagrees with him coming to public events.
Calls for them to be assaulted and beaten.
Think he's the one censoring and shutting down.

Trump cancelled the rally and can claim, with a lot of justifications, that he did it for the safety of all involved.

BoJack Horseman

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Trump cancelled the rally and can claim, with a lot of justifications, that he did it for the safety of all involved.

Gotta love SJWs....

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/708456964121108480

Not your average looking muslim.... way to break the stereotype!

Fr Tod Umptious

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Gotta love SJWs....

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/708456964121108480

Not your average looking muslim.... way to break the stereotype!

Quick question

What is SJW ?

JPNelsforearm

20Cent wrote: »

Trump cancelled the rally.
He doesn't like anyone who disagrees with him coming to public events.
Calls for them to be assaulted and beaten.
Think he's the one censoring and shutting down.

He cancelled the rally at the behest of the police, who could not guarantee safety of people attending, its called responsibility.

BoJack Horseman

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

He cancelled the rally at the behest of the police, who could not guarantee safety of people attending, its called responsibility.

Seems so, Police cleared the hall but it was trickier outside.

20Cent

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

He cancelled the rally at the behest of the police, who could not guarantee safety of people attending, its called responsibility.

If he can't handle a few protesters how's he going to get "tough" with Isis

20Cent

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Gotta love SJWs....

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/708456964121108480

Not your average looking muslim.... way to break the stereotype!

Comparing people protesting discrimination against their religion to those complaining there aren't 15 different toilets for every gender is demeaning a just protest.

BoJack Horseman

20Cent wrote: »

If he can't handle a few protesters how's he going to get "tough" with Isis

That's moronic.

If people start rioting and police close down the event, what do you expect Trump to do?

20Cent

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That's moronic.

If people start rioting and police close down the event, what do you expect Trump to do?

If he wasn't calling for violence from the stage maybe this situation wouldn't happen. A good leader encourages calm debate and doesn't hype things up.

JPNelsforearm

20Cent wrote: »

If he can't handle a few protesters how's he going to get "tough" with Isis

Stupid comparison, so he should put the police and his supporters lives in danger because a mob of racist mexicans and other assorted leftists are itching for a fight?
The responsible thing to do is postpone until a larger police presence can be assembled to crack skull if need be, and then hold the rally. Otherwise you put innocent lives in danger and you'd have headlines, "Trump rally causes riot", "hundreds injured", "Trump ignores police call to postpone rally" etc etc

ancapailldorcha

20Cent wrote: »

If he can't handle a few protesters how's he going to get "tough" with Isis

The US armed forces are the ones who will be "getting tough with ISIS". Trump will simply supply their mandate should his campaign be successful.

BoJack Horseman

20Cent wrote: »

A good leader encourages calm debate and doesn't hype things up.

And good, normal people don't turn to violent protest at the ramblings of some bewigged billionaire!

But I do agree... I don't think Trump has a clue about dealing with ISIS...

So, which other candidates do you think have their finger on that button?

20Cent

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Stupid comparison, so he should put the police and his supporters lives in danger because a mob of racist mexicans and other assorted leftists are itching for a fight?
The responsible thing to do is postpone until a larger police presence can be assembled to crack skull if need be, and then hold the rally. Otherwise you put innocent lives in danger and you'd have headlines, "Trump rally causes riot", "hundreds injured", "Trump ignores police call to postpone rally" etc etc

The phrase couldn't organise a p up in a brewery springs to mind. Bernie Sanders is advocating democratic socialism in the USA. His events pass off without any problems why is that!

20Cent

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

And good, normal people don't turn to violent protest at the ramblings of some bewigged billionaire!

But I do agree... I don't think Trump has a clue about dealing with ISIS...

So, which other candidates do you think have their finger on that button?

Don't think the war crimes trump is advocating will work anyway.

20Cent

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The US armed forces are the ones who will be "getting tough with ISIS". Trump will simply supply their mandate should his campaign be successful.

Trump wants to increase torture and target families. The military will refuse to commit war crimes. Will be an issue for trump then if military refuse to follow his "mandate".

BoJack Horseman

20Cent wrote: »

Don't think the war crimes trump is advocating will work anyway.

So, again.... who do you think has the right plan?

JPNelsforearm

20Cent wrote: »

The phrase couldn't organise a p up in a brewery springs to mind. Bernie Sanders is advocating democratic socialism in the USA. His events pass off without any problems why is that!

Because the police should anticipate a violent mob showing up to every political speech and deploy units which could be served elsewhere doing community policing.....yeah...ok. How about if you dont agree with something you dont turn up or interact with it.

Because as with most leftist events, the opposition doesnt turn up to disrupt them in the manner in which leftists do to their political opponents, see all the talk of "no platforming", "ensuring X ideology doesnt get a foothold" etc in Ireland and the violence at the recent aborted pegida rally in Dublin, or the launch of Identity Ireland etc etc and this Trump event.

I know a return to the 20's/30's with "commies and fascists" fighting in the streets has a lot of appeal to fans of Sanders and his ilk, but normal civilised people aren't into that, hence the only events that have "problems" are events the left shows up uninvited to with the intention of having it shut down, through actual violence or the implicit threat of violence.

ancapailldorcha

20Cent wrote: »

Trump wants to increase torture and target families. The military will refuse to commit war crimes. Will be an issue for trump then if military refuse to follow his "mandate".

I don't know to be honest. I was replying to the point that one cannot take the same action against domestic protesters and ISIS.

Royal Legend

Watching the scenes on msnbc news, and the rhetoric spouted by Trump over the last few rally's. He has gone from incitement to hatred to incitement to violence.

This man is dividing a nation and not for the better, America will not be a good place if this man gets into power.

Inquitus

I am far from a Trump supporter, but it seems basically a load of SJW's turned up to disrupt the event and provoked violence, both with Trump supporters and then attacking the police afterwards.