2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Conas

Suryavarman wrote: »

Apart from the five pointed stars which are far more common.

Yes, but a star, is just a star. If he wanted to use the star of David, he would have. A red shaped 6 pointed star is not trademarked. Nor can it be associated with Israel, Jews, Zionism or anything else. According to Trump himself.

“Dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the Star of David rather than a Sheriff’s Star, or plain star".

I think the sensationalism an overreaction to a red star, is just ridiculous. If it was a blue Hexagram that was used. Then yes, I could understand a reaction, but not this.

Black Swan

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if his campaign team features a neckbearded 4channer to wade through the bowels of white supremacist message boards.

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Probably someone on his social media team, no thinking too bright. Happened before with his account having an image with some SS re-enactors.

If Trump is elected president, makes you wonder if the same quality of staff will continue in the Executive branch? In his depositions as a defendant in the Trump University (alleged) "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" US District Court case now prosecuted in California, Donald Trump repeatedly claims that he was not responsible for what his employees did at Trump University. He says this over-and-over again, making me wonder what Trump will be responsible for if elected president? If things go wrong, will Trump say "You're fired! to his staff, but at the same time I am not responsible for their actions?

Suryavarman

Conas wrote: »

Yes, but a star, is just a star. If he wanted to use the star of David, he would have. A red shaped 6 pointed star is not trademarked. Nor can it be associated with Israel, Jews, Zionism or anything else. According to Trump himself.

“Dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as the Star of David rather than a Sheriff’s Star, or plain star".

I think the sensationalism an overreaction to a red star, is just ridiculous. If it was a blue Hexagram that was used. Then yes, I could understand a reaction, but not this.

Well he did use a Star of David. Look at that link I just posted. I got half way down the page before I saw a star that wasn't five pointed, and that wasn't a six pointed one.

If Trump used a hexagram then he couldn't plead ignorance on the matter, he would explicitly be engaging in anti-semitic behaviour. By using a six pointed star, instead of the vastly more common five pointed star, he can pretend he wasn't being anti-semitic while courting anti-semites and some people are gullible enough to believe him.

K-9

Any update on fund raising for Trump. There were serious concerns about the level of contributions coming in compared to Hillary which would leave him with a hell of a disadvantage.

He seems reluctant to dip into his own pocket for the campaign, but less reluctant to take money out of it to pay for the use of Trump Tower etc. You'd thing he'd offer facilities he owns free?

Conas

Suryavarman wrote: »

Well he did use a Star of David. Look at that link I just posted. I got half way down the page before I saw a star that wasn't five pointed, and that wasn't a six pointed one.

If Trump used a hexagram then he couldn't plead ignorance on the matter, he would explicitly be engaging in anti-semitic behaviour. By using a six pointed star, instead of the vastly more common five pointed star, he can pretend he wasn't being anti-semitic while courting anti-semites and some people are gullible enough to believe him.

Well I see the star of David. that's on the flag of Israel as a 'Blue Hexagram'. You're saying he used the Star of David, even though it was a red shaped 6 pointed star he used.
So having compared both, I disagree with your assumption that he used the star of David. He used a red star that could easily have been a 'Sheriff’s Star' or 'Plain Star' as he said himself.

Black Swan

K-9 wrote: »

Any update on fund raising for Trump. There were serious concerns about the level of contributions coming in compared to Hillary which would leave him with a hell of a disadvantage.

At the end of May 2016, Donald Trump had just $1.3 million in the bank compared with $42.5 million for Hillary Clinton. NJ governor Chris Christie's brother joined the Trump fundraising team, as did Woody Johnson (NY Jets owner); in the latter case Johnson was Jeb Bush's former national campaign finance chair.

K-9 wrote: »

He seems reluctant to dip into his own pocket for the campaign, but less reluctant to take money out of it to pay for the use of Trump Tower etc. You'd thing he'd offer facilities he owns free?

Trump will fund his presidential campaign using OPM (Other People's Money per his 1987 Deals playbook). And like other candidates running for president, he will be obligated to his major donors (i.e., there is nothing for free in America).

PopePalpatine

It's been mentioned already that pic with Hillary with the six-pointed star which read "Lying! Crooked!" or something to that effect first arose on a white supremacist shithole.

Suryavarman

Conas wrote: »

Well I see the star of David. that's on the flag of Israel as a 'Blue Hexagram'. You're saying he used the Star of David, even though it was a red shaped 6 pointed star he used.
So having compared both, I disagree with your assumption that he used the star of David. He used a red star that could easily have been a 'Sheriff’s Star' or 'Plain Star' as he said himself.

If you want to believe that a racist with a lot of support from anti-semitic people used a six pointed star and meant for it to be interpreted any other way then that's up to you.

Black Swan

If Donald Trump is elected president 8 November 2016, will he ask Obama to pardon him before leaving office as a defendant in the 2 different Trump University FRAUD (alleged) cases held in the states of New York and California, so that he can prep for being sworn-in and assuming the presidency late January 2017? Or will Donald Trump cover his MOUTH and say pardon me, as if belching, while seeking an indefinite countinuance in both state courts for 4 or 8 years?

Conas

Suryavarman wrote: »

If you want to believe that a racist with a lot of support from anti-semitic people used a six pointed star and meant for it to be interpreted any other way then that's up to you.

To call Trump a racist, and accuse him of engaging in anti-semitic behaviour is not only false, but even defamatory. All over a red star, that he said could easily have been a Sheriffs Star. If the anti-semitic label ever stuck to Trump, it could do irreversible damage to his campaign, and his reputation.

ancapailldorcha

If you want to post a pic with no info, context or opinion then please do it elsewhere. Thanks.

Billy86

Conas wrote: »

To call Trump a racist, and accuse him of engaging in anti-semitic behaviour is not only false, but even defamatory. All over a red star, that he said could easily have been a Sheriffs Star. If the anti-semitic label ever stuck to Trump, it could do irreversible damage to his campaign, and his reputation.

Here is the forum he got it from - https://8ch.net/pol/index.html

It's a little bit very, VERY NSFW mainly due to all the hardcore antisemitism, less due to all the talk of sheriffs and the wild, wild west.

PopePalpatine

Billy86 wrote: »

Here is the forum he got it from - https://8ch.net/pol/index.html

It's a little bit NSFW mainly due to all the hardcore antisemitism, less due to all the talk of sheriffs and the wild, wild west.

If that's not an understatement, I don't know what is.

Black Swan

Conas wrote: »

To call Trump a racist...

In 1973 Donald Trump was a defendant in a Justice Department suit for (alleged) race discrimination by the Trump Management Corporation for denying Blacks looking to rent his apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. Donald Trump did not win the case, but rather "settled" the case out-of-court, resulting in his prosecution for race discrimination made moot.

In 1992 Donald Trump had been fined $200,000 USD by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for discriminating against Black employees at the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. When Trump appealed the fine, a state appeals court upheld the Commission's decision and fine.

Donald Trump (quoted): "And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

During the 2016 campaign Donald Trump stated (quote): “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."

We could go on and on quoting Donald Trump's MOUTH from past, present campaign, and more than likely the future, whether he wins the 2016 presidency or not, with several quotes that adversely affect Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, Native American casino workers, handicapped Washington reporters, Brussels citizens, women, etc., etc.; e.g., essentially anyone that does not look like Donald Trump. Those that "believe" in Trump, will either agree with these statements from his MOUTH or ignore them similar to Gustav Le Bon's "Crowd" followers.

Billy86

PopePalpatine wrote: »

If that's not an understatement, I don't know what is.

Edited my post, clearly all the talk of sheriff's department procedures is a little much for some to deal with.

Because it couldn't have been the insane levels of antisemitism consistently throughout the entire forum where Donald Trump found an image of Hillary Clinton claiming corruption and money with a Star of David. Nah, had to be all the sheriff talk.

Conas

Billy86 wrote: »

Edited my post, clearly all the talk of sheriff's department procedures is a little much for some to deal with.

Because it couldn't have been the insane levels of antisemitism consistently throughout the entire forum where Donald Trump found an image of Hillary Clinton claiming corruption and money with a Star of David. Nah, had to be all the sheriff talk.

But the star he posted can be a Sheriff's Star, which is what he said himself in a tweet. Look at the star below, and you'll see for yourself. People on here are being incredibly harsh on Trump over this star issue, it's such nonsense.

Billy86

Ignoring the facts does not help your argument one bit. You might as well be trying to claim that blackface mockups of politicians found on Stormfront are referring to the Dutch Christmas Elves. It's not fooling anyone, even yourself I would imagine.

Suryavarman

Black Swan wrote: »

In 1973 Donald Trump was a defendant in a Justice Department suit for (alleged) race discrimination by the Trump Management Corporation for denying Blacks looking to rent his apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. Donald Trump did not win the case, but rather "settled" the case out-of-court, resulting in his prosecution for race discrimination made moot.

In 1992 Donald Trump had been fined $200,000 USD by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for discriminating against Black employees at the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. When Trump appealed the fine, a state appeals court upheld the Commission's decision and fine.

Donald Trump (quoted): "And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

During the 2016 campaign Donald Trump stated (quote): “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."

We could go on and on quoting Donald Trump's MOUTH from past, present campaign, and more than likely the future, whether he wins the 2016 presidency or not, with several quotes that adversely affect Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, Native American casino workers, handicapped Washington reporters, Brussels citizens, women, etc., etc.; e.g., essentially anyone that does not look like Donald Trump. Those that "believe" in Trump, will either agree with these statements from his MOUTH or ignore them similar to Gustav Le Bon's "Crowd" followers.

Don't forget the birther saga. Claiming that Obama was born in another country despite there being no evidence of it probably had something to do with the colour of his skin.

Conas

Billy86 wrote: »

Ignoring the facts does not help your argument one bit. You might as well be trying to claim that blackface mockups of politicians found on Stormfront are referring to the Dutch Christmas Elves. It's not fooling anyone, even yourself I would imagine.

It still doesn't change the fact that the star he used is not a blue hexagram, and can resemble the star above which is a Sheriff's Star. Those are not my words but Trump's. If you fall for the anti-Trump agitation, then that's up to you. If he's says it can be a Sheriff's star, then that's good enough for me. He's factually correct. Evidence is provided in the image I posted.

KingBrian2

Black Swan wrote: »

In 1973 Donald Trump was a defendant in a Justice Department suit for (alleged) race discrimination by the Trump Management Corporation for denying Blacks looking to rent his apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. Donald Trump did not win the case, but rather "settled" the case out-of-court, resulting in his prosecution for race discrimination made moot.

In 1992 Donald Trump had been fined $200,000 USD by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission for discriminating against Black employees at the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. When Trump appealed the fine, a state appeals court upheld the Commission's decision and fine.

Donald Trump (quoted): "And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

During the 2016 campaign Donald Trump stated (quote): “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists."

We could go on and on quoting Donald Trump's MOUTH from past, present campaign, and more than likely the future, whether he wins the 2016 presidency or not, with several quotes that adversely affect Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, Native American casino workers, handicapped Washington reporters, Brussels citizens, women, etc., etc.; e.g., essentially anyone that does not look like Donald Trump. Those that "believe" in Trump, will either agree with these statements from his MOUTH or ignore them similar to Gustav Le Bon's "Crowd" followers.

That's a lot of allegations against Trump a Republican who won hands down the GOP nomination beating 15 opponents. The same guy who is loved in large parts of America many of whom were former Blue Dog Democrats and Independents. If Trump is seen as a Saint than Clinton is the sinner for her campaign. She has a comfortable majority and yet still remains a centrist not changing any of her policies. Don't see her convincing the heartland of the country. Strangely if Clinton stepped down tomorrow the Democrats favorability would rocket.

Christy42

Conas wrote: »

It still doesn't change the fact that the star he used is not a blue hexagram, and can resemble the star above which is a Sheriff's Star. Those are not my words but Trump's. If you fall for the anti-Trump agitation, then that's up to you. If he's says it can be a Sheriff's star, then that's good enough for me. He's factually correct. Evidence is provided in the image I posted.

It seems to be a mountain out of a mole hill - especially given there are so many other things you can easily attack Trump on. It looks like a generic star from a basic photo editing program to me.

What worries me is that you claim Trump said it could be or that it can be a Sheriff's star. Did he say could and/or can? If it was meant to be a Sheriff's star then surely he would say it rather than it could be. It seems like a weak denial of something that should be brushed away.

Billy86

Conas wrote: »

It still doesn't change the fact that the star he used is not a blue hexagram, and can resemble the star above which is a Sheriff's Star. Those are not my words but Trump's. If you fall for the anti-Trump agitation, then that's up to you. If he's says it can be a Sheriff's star, then that's good enough for me. He's factually correct. Evidence is provided in the image I posted.

Of course they are trumps word, he got his soft messaging out and reverted in it. There are onky so many racial gaffes someone can make before it becomes apparent that they are intentional.

Like I said, you can claim blackface pictures on Stormfront are just Dutch chimney elves all you want, but it won't fool anyone.

InTheTrees

Black Swan wrote: »

If Donald Trump is elected president 8 November 2016, will he ask Obama to pardon him before leaving office as a defendant in the 2 different Trump University FRAUD (alleged) cases held in the states of New York and California, so that he can prep for being sworn-in and assuming the presidency late January 2017? Or will Donald Trump cover his MOUTH and say pardon me, as if belching, while seeking an indefinite countinuance in both state courts for 4 or 8 years?

And dont forget Trump Institute. Also with a list of disgruntled victims seeking to sue.

Unbelievable as it may seem its a whole separate money grabbing scheme to Trump "University".

They ran day long real estate seminars, as opposed to the longer term courses at Trump U.

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Suryavarman

KingBrian2 wrote: »

That's a lot of allegations against Trump a Republican who won hands down the GOP nomination beating 15 opponents. The same guy who is loved in large parts of America many of whom were former Blue Dog Democrats and Independents. If Trump is seen as a Saint than Clinton is the sinner for her campaign. She has a comfortable majority and yet still remains a centrist not changing any of her policies. Don't see her convincing the heartland of the country. Strangely if Clinton stepped down tomorrow the Democrats favorability would rocket.

Trump getting the Republican nomination just demonstrates what a sorry state the GOP is in. I suppose it's the natural result of the party stirring up racist sentiment for political gain.

InTheTrees

Conas wrote: »

But the star he posted can be a Sheriff's Star

Or...it could be a Japanese ninja throwing star...

So what?

The people who it intended to offended will be offended whatever trump says afterwards.

I guess the donald is trying his best to lose New York and Florida.

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Conas

Billy86 wrote: »

Of course they are trumps word, he got his soft messaging out and reverted in it. There are onky so many racial gaffes someone can make before it becomes apparent that they are intentional.

Like I said, you can claim blackface pictures on Stormfront are just Dutch chimney elves all you want, but it won't fool anyone.

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'He got his soft messaging out' means he intentionally set out to say something about the Jews according to yourself. However you have no facts to back up such an intention, other than a red star, that may be a Sheriff's Star or a Plain Star. He's massively pro-Israel anyway.

Black Swan

Suryavarman wrote: »

Don't forget the birther saga. Claiming that Obama was born in another country despite there being no evidence of it probably had something to do with the colour of his skin.

Your observation may have merit, given Donald Trump's history going back to several discrimination complaints, suites, Commission fine, and recent campaign comments unfavourable towards Blacks; then again in the particular case of the "birther saga," it may be that Donald Trump was attempting to draw attention to himself, and in doing so, to get folks to watch his next hosted Celebrity Apprentice season episodes?

I can remember people joking about Donald Trump MOUTHING something "outrageous" and "sensational" (per his 1987 Deal's playbook) to get people to tune into his Celebrity Apprentice telly show. That's where he learned how to draw the news media into his 2016 presidential campaign, saying "outrageous" and "sensationalist" things to manipulate the news media, and when they flocked to report and condemn his "outrageous" statements, both Trump and the news media would benefit from improved telly ratings and expanded viewership. That's why I laugh whenever someone claims that the news media is against Trump (playing the victim of the "lefty" media), when he himself intentionally stated things that would draw them in. That's also why his campaign expenses were so low, and his visibility was so high during the earlier Republican nomination contest.

Billy86

Conas wrote: »

'He got his soft messaging out' means he intentionally set out to say something about the Jews according to yourself. However you have no facts to back up such an intention, other than a red star, that may be a Sheriff's Star or a Plain Star. He's massively pro-Israel anyway.

Like I said, when someone makes these "gaffes" over and over and over and over it becomes clear that they are not accidental, and are pandering to a particular part of his base.

You keep ignoring where the image came from (a massively antisemitic forum), now why could that be? Is it that the facts don't fit your narrative so you're going go pretend they don't exist?

Conas

Billy86 wrote: »

Like I said, when someone makes these "gaffes" over and over and over and over it becomes clear that they are not accidental, and are pandering to a particular part of his base.

You keep ignoring where the image came from (a massively antisemitic forum), now why could that be? Is it that the facts don't fit your narrative so you're going go pretend they don't exist?

Well I checked the link to this forum, and the layout looks like an utter mess. It's not much of a forum, as there seems to be banners linking to sexual content on it. I wouldn't believe Trump, and his team would pull an image from this messy forum, that looks like it's been hacked. Spam is everywhere. I couldn't make sense of it.

However I don't believe Trump is anti-semitic. He's very Pro-Israel, spoke at AIPAC, and has a lot of Jewish friends in business.

Black Swan

InTheTrees wrote: »

And dont forget Trump Institute. Also with a list of disgruntled victims seeking to sue.

Unbelievable as it may seem its a whole separate money grabbing scheme to Trump "University".

They ran day long real estate seminars, as opposed to the longer term courses at Trump U.

Yes indeed, not only is Donald Trump a current defendant in a Trump University (alleged) "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" case in the State of California, as well as a current Trump University (alleged) "fraud" case in the State of New York, but he has been a past defendant in (alleged) fraud cases with his name-sake "TRUMP INSTITUTE." There were also charges of "plagiarized lessons," some 20 or so pages taken from a source without giving credit, then claiming that such "plagiarized" material represented his (Donald Trump's) secrets to getting rich quick.