2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

InTheTrees

Check out the new Trump/Pence campaign Logo.

Its like something an "apprentice" contestant would come up with. And emphasizing "TP" seems unwise as the first thing ALL americans hear when you say TP is Toilet Paper.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-logo-criticized_us_57891d63e4b0867123e115a0

InTheTrees

July15 - NBC/WSJ Swing state poll puts Clinton ahead of Trump in Florida, Colorado, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

Obviously that's too early to include any bump that trump may get from announcing his VP pick.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/swing-state-polls-hillary-clinton-leads-trump/

PopePalpatine

InTheTrees wrote: »

Check out the new Trump/Pence campaign Logo.

Its like something an "apprentice" contestant would come up with. And emphasizing "TP" seems unwise as the first thing ALL americans hear when you say TP is Toilet Paper.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-logo-criticized_us_57891d63e4b0867123e115a0

I cannot possibly see any homoerotic connotations whatsoever. :pac:

Black Swan

InTheTrees wrote: »

Check out the new Trump/Pence campaign Logo.

TP for toilet paper, or the T penetrating the P (which also reminds me of the Trump Collection codpiece-like 16th Century length tie that hangs to the groin) has the web abuzz with humourous analogies since this Trump-Pence campaign logo was released. Makes me wonder if they did any brand-symbol market research testing before going public? And now after the flurry of fun analogies will they keep or modify or withdraw it?

We had a grant awhile back where there was a certification component for successfully completing training and examination, and in addition to a certificate, it also had a logo patch and decal awarded for successful completion. We focus grouped and expert paneled the logo extensively before going public, just to avoid such a humourous blow-back. You would think that someone with Trump's extensive telly entertainment experience would be less likely to launch such a faux pas? Well, I've got to admit that Trump's new Celebrity Apprentice President reality show this election season has been amusing in a Greek tragic-comedy sort of way.

Call Me Jimmy

Meeting - 'We gotta put that T aaAALL the way up in that P'

InTheTrees

Black Swan wrote: »

Makes me wonder if they did any brand-symbol market research testing before going public? And now after the flurry of fun analogies will they keep or modify or withdraw it?

They've pulled it.

The New Logo is just the words Trump with Pence underneath. No more copulating text.

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Black Swan

InTheTrees wrote: »

They've pulled it.

The New Logo is just the words Trump with Pence underneath. No more copulating text.

Really? Well, it's on the net, and the net is forever. Do you imagine that future Trump rally protesters may keep the PT logo alive, along with humourous word and sound bites?

InTheTrees

Black Swan wrote: »

Really? Well, it's on the net, and the net is forever. Do you imagine that future Trump rally protesters may keep the PT logo alive, along with humourous word and sound bites?

I wonder. I hope so. Its a sign of the dysfunctional nature of the trump campaign at least.

InTheTrees

Mike Pence seems to be the oddest pick for VP.

He's been an absolute disaster as Governor of Indiana. If he had run for a second term he would probably have lost, he's been so unpopular. He doesnt believe in evolution. He's against birth control. He's against LGBT rights. Against Gay Marriage. In 2001 he argued strenuously that tobacco does not harm people.

The Vice Presidential debate is going to be hysterical.

Eric Cartman

InTheTrees wrote: »

Mike Pence seems to be the oddest pick for VP.

He's been an absolute disaster as Governor of Indiana. If he had run for a second term he would probably have lost, he's been so unpopular. He doesnt believe in evolution. He's against birth control. He's against LGBT rights. Against Gay Marriage. In 2001 he argued strenuously that tobacco does not harm people.

The Vice Presidential debate is going to be hysterical.

Those beliefs in Most of europe : "haha, woah this guy is nuts and completely unelectable"

Those beliefs in a State like Indiana : "Bout time somebody stood up to the guberment lies and dem der homo-sexuals"

Just because you (and most of us) think his beliefs are a bit mad, does not mean that he is either unpopular, or will lose an election.

TheDoctor

Which is a very scary reflection on parts of US society

Black Swan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Those beliefs in Most of europe : "haha, woah this guy is nuts and completely unelectable"

Just because you (and most of us) think his beliefs are a bit mad, does not mean that he is either unpopular, or will lose an election.

TheDoctor wrote: »

Which is a very scary reflection on parts of US society

There are millions of Americans that support Donald Trump after all the gender, racial, ethic, religion, handicapped, and related slurs made by him during past months, with support for those slurs as reflected by his commanding lead of Republican state delegates received across America, including support for Trump's repeated position that "Torture works." A vote for Trump is a vote for these discriminatory statements. A vote for Trump is a vote for torture. "Scary" reflections indeed about a very large segment of the American population, and worse if he is given the football. How many years ago were Hiroshima and Nagasaki (1945)? How many years ago were Japanese internment camps? Just substitute Muslims for Japanese and Middle Eastern cites for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The two A-bombs dropped included tens of thousands of innocent women and children, and the internment camps of over 100,000 innocent men, women, and children occurred in recent American history, and now a very large segment of the American population wants to put telly show and beauty pageant celebrity Donald Trump in power, a man currently charged for (alleged) "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" as a businessman (Trump University) in two states, and a man with ZERO elected governance experience, ZERO diplomacy experience, and ZERO preparation to be CIC for their top elected office in their nation. This makes for poor fiction.

Nody

Black Swan wrote: »

The two A-bombs dropped included tens of thousands of innocent women and children, and the internment camps of over 100,000 innocent men, women, and children occurred in recent American history, and now a very large segment of the American population wants to put telly show and beauty pageant celebrity Donald Trump in power, a man currently charged for (alleged) "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" as a businessman (Trump University) in two states, and a man with ZERO elected governance experience, ZERO diplomacy experience, and ZERO preparation to be CIC for their top elected office in their nation. This makes for poor fiction.

Well seeing how they elected Bush junior twice it's simply a sad reflection of reality and the voting system; for example if you live in Texas even as a republican you should under no circumstances vote for the Republican primary candidate but rather the guy who fits your views the best. Why? Because your vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of things (far to many voting Rep/Dem no matter who's on the ticket) and your state is not a swing state. This also means that in a US election there's at best six or so states where the vote matters; the rest are purely paper exercises and this is before we start talking the gerrymandering, unlimited lobbying through PACs etc.

Billy86

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Those beliefs in Most of europe : "haha, woah this guy is nuts and completely unelectable"

Those beliefs in a State like Indiana : "Bout time somebody stood up to the guberment lies and dem der homo-sexuals"

Just because you (and most of us) think his beliefs are a bit mad, does not mean that he is either unpopular, or will lose an election.

The thing is though, that most states with that mindset were going to vote Republican anyway, no matter what. For example, Indiana has gone Republican on 17 of the last 19 elections - mind you one was in 2008 (even then though just by 1% against one of the biggest sh*tshow campaigns I can recall, with all due respect to McCain). Other, even further right examples like Idaho, Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, South Carolina, South Dakota, etc may have well have declared themselves for the Republican candidate before either party even started their primaries, to be honest.

Trump keeps trying to appeal to the base, but what he needs to do now is the opposite of that, kind of like Romney (albeit unsuccessfully) attempted in 2012.

InTheTrees

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just because you (and most of us) think his beliefs are a bit mad, does not mean that he is either unpopular, or will lose an election.

I agree up to a point.
Pence is an unpopular Governor, he's made some pretty bad errors and he wasn't expected to win a second term.

Sarah Palin was the same way but that kind of low brow appeal only goes so far, eventually they have to generate some broader appeal.

InTheTrees

Clinton is proposing a constitutional amendment to tackle campaign finance and reverse the "Citizens United" supreme court decision that opened the door for shady unlimited corporate financing of elections.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-proposes-constitutional-amendment-to-tackle-citizens-united/

Billy86

InTheTrees wrote: »

Clinton is proposing a constitutional amendment to tackle campaign finance and reverse the "Citizens United" supreme court decision that opened the door for shady unlimited corporate financing of elections.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-proposes-constitutional-amendment-to-tackle-citizens-united/

Clinton!?

Time for Trump fans' heads to implode in on themselves.

KingBrian2

InTheTrees wrote: »

Clinton is proposing a constitutional amendment to tackle campaign finance and reverse the "Citizens United" supreme court decision that opened the door for shady unlimited corporate financing of elections.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-proposes-constitutional-amendment-to-tackle-citizens-united/

Does that include foreign benefactors?

Eric Cartman

Black Swan wrote: »

There are millions of Americans that support Donald Trump after all the gender, racial, ethic, religion, handicapped, and related slurs made by him during past months, with support for those slurs as reflected by his commanding lead of Republican state delegates received across America, including support for Trump's repeated position that "Torture works." A vote for Trump is a vote for these discriminatory statements. A vote for Trump is a vote for torture. "Scary" reflections indeed about a very large segment of the American population, and worse if he is given the football. How many years ago were Hiroshima and Nagasaki (1945)? How many years ago were Japanese internment camps? Just substitute Muslims for Japanese and Middle Eastern cites for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The two A-bombs dropped included tens of thousands of innocent women and children, and the internment camps of over 100,000 innocent men, women, and children occurred in recent American history, and now a very large segment of the American population wants to put telly show and beauty pageant celebrity Donald Trump in power, a man currently charged for (alleged) "fraud, racketeering, and corruption" as a businessman (Trump University) in two states, and a man with ZERO elected governance experience, ZERO diplomacy experience, and ZERO preparation to be CIC for their top elected office in their nation. This makes for poor fiction.

the only thing Id disagree on there is that I don't think trump would nuke anyone. I truly believe he isn't that silly , and all advisors would certainly steer him away from that option.

and while I agree with what you've said for the most part. I would still pick trump over hillary every day of the week.

KingBrian2

Trump is unlikely to go to war unlike previous Democratic Presidents going as far back as Woodrow Wilson. He has staked his reputation on opposing intervention in Libya and has opposed the calls to support foreign fighters in the Muslim World.

A lot of what he says is for media consumption. Appealing to grassroots of the Republican party. If he ever became President he would have a lot of rivals within the party toning him down. Some of his fellow GOPers themselves have been known to make even more extraordinary and outrageous noises.

InTheTrees

KingBrian2 wrote: »

A lot of what he says is for media consumption. Appealing to grassroots of the Republican party. If he ever became President he would have a lot of rivals within the party toning him down. Some of his fellow GOPers themselves have been known to make even more extraordinary and outrageous noises.

Building a wall between the USA and Mexico is now part of the republican party platform.

How do they tone that down? Trump has from now until november to increase his popularity among Hispanic voters.

Black Swan

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Trump... has staked his reputation on opposing intervention in Libya...

Back then Trump advocated invading Libya to get Qaddafi. Quoting Trump: “Now, we should go in. We should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it and save these lives.”

Billy86

KingBrian2 wrote: »

He has staked his reputation on opposing intervention in Libya.

Nope.


"I can’t believe what our country is doing," Trump said, according to a BuzzFeed transcript. "Gaddafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is, and we’re sitting around we have soldiers all have the Middle East, and we’re not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage and that’s what it is: It’s a carnage."
- Trump, 2011.

KingBrian2

Black Swan wrote: »

Back then Trump advocated invading Libya to get Qaddafi. Quoting Trump: “Now, we should go in. We should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it and save these lives.”

Candidates can be flexible and was it not Fox News behind all the crazy xenophobia Trump was merely sticking to the GOP playbook. Chapter 1 do a Nixon. Chapter 2 insult your opponents. Chapter 3 ignore the politicians and focus on the people unlike the Democratic party which is set up differently. Trump even complimented the Democratic party on its design.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275789-trump-primary-processes-on-both-sides-corrupt

"Because the system is corrupt. And it's worse on the Republican side."

Black Swan

Trump continues to call his presidential opponent Clinton "Corrupt Hillary," when Hillary Clinton is not currently being tried in US District Court for (alleged) "Fraud, racketeering, and corruption." These charges against Donald Trump had been filed back in 2013 and before, way before he declared his run for 2016 presidency during Summer 2015. So they cannot be flung aside as politically motivated, rather two similar cases with Donald Trump as a defendant are being tried in 2 different states, California and New York against Trump University's founder Donald Trump. That's why whenever I hear Donald Trump say "Corrupt Hillary," I remember that Donald Trump is TODAY being tried for CORRUPTION, not Hillary Clinton.

Black Swan

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Candidates can be flexible...

Flexible? So if Donald Trump contradicts himself between what he says yesterday and today, then that's OK, but he can label his past opponent Ted Cruz as "Lying Ted" for when Cruz was in like manner being "flexible," but Donald Trump's flexibility does not justify him being called "Lying Donald?"

Billy86

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Candidates can be flexible and was it not Fox News behind all the crazy xenophobia Trump was merely sticking to the GOP playbook.

That quote is taken from 2011 Brian, so none of what you just said is at all accurate.

Akrasia

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Trump is unlikely to go to war unlike previous Democratic Presidents going as far back as Woodrow Wilson. He has staked his reputation on opposing intervention in Libya and has opposed the calls to support foreign fighters in the Muslim World.

A lot of what he says is for media consumption. Appealing to grassroots of the Republican party. If he ever became President he would have a lot of rivals within the party toning him down. Some of his fellow GOPers themselves have been known to make even more extraordinary and outrageous noises.

Trump is extremely likely to go to war if he is elected. After the Nice attacks, he said that the U.S. should declare war on (???)

He's a reactionary blow hard with no diplomacy skills. It's virtually guaranteed to end up starting a war somewhere. He's already threatened mexico with military and economic sanctions if they don't pay for his ridiculous wall.

Nody

Akrasia wrote: »

He's a reactionary blow hard with no diplomacy skills. It's virtually guaranteed to end up starting a war somewhere. He's already threatened mexico with military and economic sanctions if they don't pay for his ridiculous wall.

Well Pakistan seems like a good choice; already have the drones flying there anyway so why not ramp it up as war on Al Quida/Islam/"people we don't like who can't hit back" seems an easy target while fighting for "democracy". Could also pick on something in North Africa region to get those nice cruise missile shots and carrier launches which look great on morning TV news while having no real impact (i.e. no need to worry about the Iraq fiasco of new governments since they are hunting terrorists!).

That's about it though in terms of targets he'd actually be able to take on though. South / Central America are simply not having enough fight in them to motivate it with the guerillas packing it in (and war on drugs is already done and failed). Most of Africa is not worth bothering with (beyond the political implications of white soldiers bombing native Africans). The rest of the countries in Asia are allies (Philippines, S. Korea, Pakistan, India) or no go targets (China, Russia, N. Korea).

TheDoctor

First day of the Republican National Convention. Could be a fun few days.