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No, not at all. I don't know anyone who believes everything that a politician says to be true if they believe in him/her? Do you?Black Swan wrote: »If you BELIEVE in Trump, then you have to BELIEVE all that he says is TRUE? And it follows that if you BELIEVE in Trump, odds are you will defend Trump's TRUTHS no matter what empirical evidence flies in the face of what he says?
Yes he's that and so much more. Don’t forget he’s also a successful businessman, successful negotiator in the public and private sectors, investor, philanthropist, knows how to deal with politicians, and has dealings with various governments. A stronger resume than a one term US senator in my books.I believe that Trump is a billionaire telly entertainer, and he is giving national news media (i.e., ratings) and a segment of the American population what they want: ENTERTAINMENT. And trump will say anything in Huey Long "King Fish" fashion to entertain them, regardless if it's brash, bigoted, poorly informed, or something invalid. And if the American voters elect Trump to the highest office of US government, they deserve what they get.
Spoken like a true self-proclaimed Independent, not. Or I could be wrong and you might have said the same thing about Obama back in 2008, and supported McCain and Palin for office, so there wouldn't have been a one party control.Personally, what I am hoping for is that the GOP picks someone else, and Trump runs independent splitting the Republican party like Ross Perot did so that they cannot win the presidency in 2016. I would vote for Minni Mouse if nominated by the Democrats, just to ensure that the Republican party did not achieve one-party control of the Presidency (Executive), US Congress, and the US Supreme Court (by stacking it); one-party control by any party, Democrats or Republicans, being worse than having a female mouse of a different party in the Oval Office.
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Homework assignment. To start with, are their children provided with a public education for free, which contrary to what you claim is pretty good? What do they received from the government if they drop an anchor baby? Do they utilize police and fire services, use highways, use parks? Do they all pay their bills when they go to the hospital for the common cold, or it that cost passed onto us? Last time I heard, these things didn't grow on trees. There are more, but that's enough homework for one evening.
See you're probably not wrong about immigration expense. But you lack relative perspective: it's like complaining about your kids constantly leaving the light on in the bathroom, while you're running The oven at 450, the fridge has been left open and the AC is on full blast. And that's just the military spending.
I'm not saying the immigration issue isn't relevant, but focusing all of our attention on that, when THIS has been the situation for decades
is COMPLETELY OUT OF WHACK. I don't care how legal or sanctioned the wall is, or the military is, Neither of them contributes to a Balanced Budget and particularly in regard to the military, austerity is the fastest pathway to a balanced budget.0 -
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The MIC is a very complex, confounding, and difficult creature to understand. In fairness, the MIC has been involved in the advancement of some scientific discoveries and innovations as you noted Overheal, but does that justify 55% of a president Obama proposed budget allocation (similar to past presidents, and more than likely future presidents)? How many of the current GOP and DNC candidates for president advocate serious cuts (not token cuts) in military spending? If so, by precisely how much?Of the top half of the least I could name a few projects they each were developing that is of scientific merit that is generating results; virtually all in the form of robotics and aerospace.
As a disclaimer: When struggling to fund our research team, all too often we bid RFPs (Requests For Proposals) with the US military. The military seems to always have money, even during the Great Recession. I was with one of those teams that got funded (Swannie slipped to The Dark Side).
A bit more than a couple years ago Swannie was an RA "go-fer" (go for this, and go for that), along with a bit of storyboarding at a <unnamed...sorry> university research institute that was receiving substantial funds from the US Navy to facilitate adult learning through serious gaming simulations in approximated combat situations aboard CSGs (Carrier Strike Groups). The military applications may have been non-value-added, but the unintended consequences were value-added to the extent that we advanced our knowledge and understanding of adult learning in stressful complex situations, as experienced by virtual computer programme simulations (serious gaming), which then could be applied to non-military stressful complex situations.
**Apologies. Swannie should have pre-warned ye'all to put your boots on before reading the above**
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See you're probably not wrong about immigration expense. But you lack relative perspective: it's like complaining about your kids constantly leaving the light on in the bathroom, while you're running The oven at 450, the fridge has been left open and the AC is on full blast. And that's just the military spending.
I'm not saying the immigration issue isn't relevant, but focusing all of our attention on that, when THIS has been the situation for decades
is COMPLETELY OUT OF WHACK. I don't care how legal or sanctioned the wall is, or the military is, Neither of them contributes to a Balanced Budget and particularly in regard to the military, austerity is the fastest pathway to a balanced budget.
At least 61% of America's budget is military it seems. Only 39% (or less in reality: the government and international affairs is 9% and I am sure will have a lot of military issues too in it) is for everything else. Not surprising admittedly.0 -
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It doesn't matter what countries it is compared to. The measure is here, where the level of education is measured at a standard that provides the job force.Compared with what countries? Developed nations? Or poorer nations? Also, America's rankings sometimes gets skewed due to the fact the US third level institutes consistently rank the highest. But as we all know that is a level of education that is reserved for very, very few.
Sure there is. You are woefully uninformed my friend, and you either your fiancé doesn’t understand how things work (which would make her suitable for government workAn Anchor baby? No such thing exists. Parents are not entitled to citizenship or even a quicker processing for citizenship by simply have an American born child. That's a complete misconception. You may have picked that up from the Media or some dope that heard it on a talk radio show or some crap. My fiancé works for the state and deals with these kinds of cases....there's no such thing.
) or you aren’t understanding her. Approximately 350,000 to 400,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. each year (which means 1 out of 10 births in the U.S. is to an illegal immigrant mother). Anchor babies born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and Medicaid, and even though the parents are illegals, having an anchor babes makes the families eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps, and on behalf of the anchor baby... housing programs and welfare. And illegal aliens often work low paying jobs so they qualify for benefits.
Wrong, they use all these provided services. And roads, bridges, and their maintenance is included in my use of the word "highway."If you were illegal would you call the cops or emergency services? Nope. Highways, depending on the state are paid for through tolls and 'tags'\registration. If they pay those, why would you begrudge their use of them? The parks thing is way out there, not sure how much cost each extra individual that steps on a the grass or pavement at a park adds but would guess it's miniscule...unless the Parks and Recreation departments are crooked but that's not a problem with immigrants...
Again you are wrong. Medicaid alone pays more than $2 Billion each year to partially reimburse hospitals for unpaid illegal alien delivery bills. And the amount not reimbursed to hospitals is in the tens of Billions, which is passed onto us in the form of higher costs and high insurance premiums. 84 hospitals in California alone, have been forced to close their doors because of unpaid bills by illegal aliens.Do you?....What if you didn't pay? The same rules apply to everybody. You can't just go into a hospital and not pay. If you don't pay you're breaking the law....
The whole social medicine crap that was spewed when Obamacare was a hot topic was absolute horsesh1t. People are not getting free healthcare. In fact, it's now a fineable act to not have insurance during the tax year....
Remember when people said the Medical profession would be over-run when it passed and yet nothing has changed! "But thanks to Obamacare, now I can't go to my Dr."....Really!? Why? Did you drop your own health insurance to go for a cheaper policy through the marketplace? Or did your Doctor stop taking your insurance? Complain to your Doctor...or if you're insurance company dropped the Dr...complain to them. Bah...this place is so crazy.
The media sure does one thing good... Hiding the facts about the true costs to Americans regarding illegal aliens.The media does such a great job of dividing people and keeping them arguing against their own best interests while the top cats rake it all in for themselves.
The only leaching going on is at a much grander scale than any immigrant0 -
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While you've got me here: you Amerika brought up the idea that the Government has a mandate to operate a military but not other social programs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause
Fact is: it has a mandate to spend for the common defense AND the general welfare. Because I am probably threatened more often by influenza than I am a Jihadist - one has certainly claimed more American lives than the other. It is not the terrorist.
Ah yes, the “general welfare.” Is there not a more bastardized term in our Constitution? . “General welfare”, or “common good,” or “public interest,” terms that now seemingly allows our government to do anything and everything. Hey, perhaps they can fund a holiday vacation with Kate Upton for me. That would surely promote my general welfare.
The Founding Fathers clearly understood “general welfare” to mean the good of all citizens. Not some open-ended mandate for Congress. And the ONLY good that applies to all citizens is freedom, and government’s role is the protection of that freedom. That was the meaning intended, and why it was put where it was “The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the Common Defense and General Welfare of the United States." To tax, establish a military, and to pay for it!0 -
Black Swan wrote: »The MIC is a very complex, confounding, and difficult creature to understand. In fairness, the MIC has been involved in the advancement of some scientific discoveries and innovations as you noted Overheal, but does that justify 55% of a president Obama proposed budget allocation (similar to past presidents, and more than likely future presidents)? How many of the current GOP and DNC candidates for president advocate serious cuts (not token cuts) in military spending? If so, by precisely how much?
As a disclaimer: When struggling to fund our research team, all too often we bid RFPs (Requests For Proposals) with the US military. The military seems to always have money, even during the Great Recession. I was with one of those teams that got funded (Swannie slipped to The Dark Side).
A bit more than a couple years ago Swannie was an RA "go-fer" (go for this, and go for that), along with a bit of storyboarding at a <unnamed...sorry> university research institute that was receiving substantial funds from the US Navy to facilitate adult learning through serious gaming simulations in approximated combat situations aboard CSGs (Carrier Strike Groups). The military applications may have been non-value-added, but the unintended consequences were value-added to the extent that we advanced our knowledge and understanding of adult learning in stressful complex situations, as experienced by virtual computer programme simulations (serious gaming), which then could be applied to non-military stressful complex situations.
**Apologies. Swannie should have pre-warned ye'all to put your boots on before reading the above**
The military is evil, except for when they are needed, or doing good, or lining our own pockets? :cool:0 -
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It doesn't matter what countries it is compared to. The measure is here, where the level of education is measured at a standard that provides the job force.
So, you didn't mean compared with other developed countries. Also just has to be good enough to provide workers for the labor force. Isn't that directly out of one of George Carlins special? The Government wants an educated work force but not TOO educated. Just smart enough to run and maintain the machines but not capable of critical thinking. We wouldn't want people realizing how badly they are getting f*cked.Sure there is. You are woefully uninformed my friend, and you either your fiancé doesn’t understand how things work (which would make her suitable for government work) or you aren’t understanding her. Approximately 350,000 to 400,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. each year (which means 1 out of 10 births in the U.S. is to an illegal immigrant mother). Anchor babies born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and Medicaid, and even though the parents are illegals, having an anchor babes makes the families eligible for benefits such as WIC and food stamps, and on behalf of the anchor baby... housing programs and welfare. And illegal aliens often work low paying jobs so they qualify for benefits.
Hold up. The term anchor baby original term was that THE PARENTS have the baby in the US so THEY can stay.....you are misusing the term Anchor baby. It doesn't mean the baby gets citizenship...That's stupid. How in the hell could that name even apply to a child being born in the US....then we are all Anchor babies...So, in short you are WRONG for using the term Anchor baby. That's more BS rhetoric to try and stoke fires. Misguided at best.Wrong, they use all these provided services. And roads, bridges, and their maintenance is included in my use of the word "highway."
Which they pay towards...so, what's the problem?Again you are wrong. Medicaid alone pays more than $2 Billion each year to partially reimburse hospitals for unpaid illegal alien delivery bills. And the amount not reimbursed to hospitals is in the tens of Billions, which is passed onto us in the form of higher costs and high insurance premiums. 84 hospitals in California alone, have been forced to close their doors because of unpaid bills by illegal aliens.
Private Hospitals or Public Clinics? There's a big difference...Our premiums don't go up because Public facilities close. Our premiums don't go up because people are given health care for free. If that was the case other more 'socialist' countries would have less affordable healthcare but that's not the case. Blaming illegals for the corrupt healthcare profession does not help correct the problem.
You've got collusion between physicians and insurance companies. You've got corrupt public officials. Healthcare is merely a funnel for bad money. Go watch John Olivers piece on Healthcare. He mentions a website that shows sponsors for your MD. You can see all of the lunches and gifts going to Doctors from healthcare companies.The media sure does one thing good... Hiding the facts about the true costs to Americans regarding illegal aliens.
The media does what the controlling powers of the country want. Do you take any issues with the crazy amount spent on Military spending? The fact Defense contractors are the most influential lobby group in DC?
Second to the communications companies...right now I've got between 2Mbps-21Mbps (on a good day) Download speed and I'm living in the 6th largest city in the US. I can't go to a competitor because managed properties sign exclusivity deals. It also wouldn't matter because all of the broadband providers in the area are owned by the same parent company.
I worked for a Pharmaceutical company. At a Quarterly the CEO bolstered the good news that the Flu vaccine didn't work this year so we made double the profit. I also worked for an Insurance company around the time of the last election. Everybody was so fearful they would lose their jobs...BECAUSE (and it was the same for me) Obamacare was being misrepresented by the media. It sounded like it would be a major change. What actually happened? Record profits! Unprecedented boom in business because more people were getting insured. I now work for a chain of Hospitals...we're expanding into new markets, rapidly.
The Medical profession were fronting...The people pulling the strings wanted this. State mandated insurance!
Also, you speak about hospitals closing down. I think you meant public clinics...which are abysmal. My company is HQ'd in California and we are expanding. Public clinics are places where poor people go to die..mainly because they are underfunded....the cynic in me, with no more proof than you have for your argument which is thin at best...tells me these facilities are underfunded to make them a less viable option. To force closures and make the level of care so poor in them to further force people to get insurance. They want a fully private Healthcare system..f*ck it, they want a fully private country. Watch USPS go down the tubes. Social Security is on it's knees...you get your 401K instead to invest in private company shares, bonds etc.
We're here to consume products and services. To give others money. Nothing more, nothing less. Wars aren't even about oil...in my opinion. They are about globalization. It's not about spreading Democracy. It's about spreading Brands and Business interests.0 -
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