2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

RobertKK

Chanting in the convention center of Hillary for prison.

https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/757700228707409920

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

Chanting in the convention center of Hillary for prison.

https://twitter.com/cassandrarules/status/757700228707409920

Would the best response have to get them all forcibly ejected, while Clinton called for her supporters to assault them?

Amerika

Been watching the Dem convention. All hail the party of lawlessness. Viva la illegals. The only good thing I've seen are all the anti TPP signs.

Overheal

All I'm getting from the 'coverage' on the ABC News stream is pundits who are blatantly pissed off at Bernie Sanders supporters for not playing to the narrative. One reporter on the floor went so far as to put it as "they don't want him to endorse her right away. they want to talk about their 'revolution' about their votes and accomplishments, and once they get a little bit of revisionism they may be on board."

Black Swan

RobertKK wrote: »

The problem for Hillary is she was called extremely careless with her official state emails.
The one thing the Democrats didn't want was a leaked email scandal. Hillary's campaign is blaming the Russians. The thing is this is like her campaign admitting her unsecured emails with top secret information was most likely hacked too.
So however they spin it or blame, it is very bad for Hillary.

The only thing that Donald Trump and the Republicans have is the Clinton Email Scandal, so they have to beat that drum constantly up until 8 November 2016. The new emails released is part of repetitively beating that same old drum, whether released by the Trump campaign, Republicans, Putin & Co., wikileaks, black hats, or whomever. The problem is Clinton's opponents have been beating that drum for over a year, and it's not "news" anymore.

People become desensitized overtime, and what may have drawn their attention months ago, gradually diminishes overtime. It's called systematic desensitization. And contrary to what most believe, when used as a therapy, the therapist continues to raise the stimulus level from lowest to highest (e.g., louder and louder drum beating), and once having gone through this progression, the patient (e.g., voter) no longer reacts to the adverse stimulus. So the Trump campaign better come up with something more substantial than childish name-calling ("Crooked...), or just beating the same old Email drum.

Or the news media may not attend to it as much either, as months go by beating the same Email drum, not because they are so-called lefty, rather because it's old and not "news," and news drives ratings, and ratings attract advertisers, and advertisers mean profits for the news media.

Sources:
Wolpe, J. (1958). Psychotherapy by reciprocal inhibition. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press.
Lang, P. J., & Lazovik, A. D. (1963). Experimental desensitization of phobia. The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 66(6), 519.

Black Swan

Overheal wrote: »

All I'm getting from the 'coverage' on the ABC News stream is pundits who are blatantly pissed off at Bernie Sanders supporters for not playing to the narrative. One reporter on the floor went so far as to put it as "they don't want him to endorse her right away. they want to talk about their 'revolution' about their votes and accomplishments, and once they get a little bit of revisionism they may be on board."

I got a different view from PBS convention news coverage Overheal, in that the DNC allowed the Sanders delegates to begin on Day 1 expressing anger and frustration; i.e., a controlled outburst. The DNC conference floor whips in yellow jackets were told to chill and let them have their Day 1 protest, which they did. Then Bernie Sanders moved and sat among his supporters on the floor quieting them somewhat, later followed by Michelle Obama doing a save the children and party unity plea, followed by Elizabeth Warren and Burnie Sanders progressive "Revolution" speeches (and Trump 1% greedy billionaire attacks), each followed by a plea for party unity to their progressive delegates, who seemed quiet by end of Day 1. Tomorrow Day 2 will tell if the controlled outburst and appeasement tactics worked.

Disclaimer: Swannie and Big Bird are birds of a feather.

RobertKK

Barack Obama's half brother says he is voting for Trump.

Black Swan

RobertKK wrote: »

Barack Obama's half brother says he is voting for Trump.

Has anyone checked his birth certificate to ensure that he is in fact president Obama's brother?

Brian?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Are you serious, so brackets are racist now….. Lads, you are really clutching at straws here. These posts really belong in conspiracy theories rather than politics. If it had have said (((Bernie))) then perhaps you may have some weight to claims, but it was single , grammatically correct bracket use. Not the start of the trains to poland again.

I'm not sure I believe the racist angle, but those brackets are not grammatically correct. They are superfluous. (Brackets)

Fr Tod Umptious

Black Swan wrote: »

The only thing that Donald Trump and the Republicans have is the Clinton Email Scandal, so they have to beat that drum constantly up until 8 November 2016. The new emails released is part of repetitively beating that same old drum, whether released by the Trump campaign, Republicans, Putin & Co., wikileaks, black hats, or whomever. The problem is Clinton's opponents have been beating that drum for over a year, and it's not "news" anymore.

People become desensitized overtime, and what may have drawn their attention months ago, gradually diminishes overtime. It's called systematic desensitization. And contrary to what most believe, when used as a therapy, the therapist continues to raise the stimulus level from lowest to highest (e.g., louder and louder drum beating), and once having gone through this progression, the patient (e.g., voter) no longer reacts to the adverse stimulus. So the Trump campaign better come up with something more substantial than childish name-calling ("Crooked...), or just beating the same old Email drum.

Or the news media may not attend to it as much either, as months go by beating the same Email drum, not because they are so-called lefty, rather because it's old and not "news," and news drives ratings, and ratings attract advertisers, and advertisers mean profits for the news media.

Sources:
Wolpe, J. (1958). Psychotherapy by reciprocal inhibition. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press.
Lang, P. J., & Lazovik, A. D. (1963). Experimental desensitization of phobia. The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 66(6), 519.

But the emails are a huge problem for Hillary.

Firstly it was the private server scandal, then it was the DWS emails, and as a poster suggested earlier there is talk about Clinton Foundation emails being leaked next.

What will happen after that, confirmation that her private server was hacked possibly, and leaks from that.

All of this is a huge problem for Hillary only the most ardent head in the sand supporter of her would argue its not.

If it comes to pass that classified info was hacked off her private server then that's it, its all over for her.

LostinKildare

Wow, brilliant speech by Michelle Obama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNWYqDU948

RobertKK

Hillary Clinton saying Mexico is a problem and a physical barrier may need to be built:
https://twitter.com/neilturner_/status/757760440021680128

RobertKK

Black Swan wrote: »

Has anyone checked his birth certificate to ensure that he is in fact president Obama's brother?

He was best man for Barack at his wedding but says he is disappointed with his brother. He says he finds Trump inspiring.

Mr Freeze

LostinKildare wrote: »

Wow, brilliant speech by Michelle Obama:

Melania is taking notes, she might need this material in 4 years time.

Christy42

RobertKK wrote: »

Hillary Clinton saying Mexico is a problem and a physical barrier may need to be built:
https://twitter.com/neilturner_/status/757760440021680128

That isn't a wall along the full border. There are already physical barriers in place so that isn't a new statement. There is no mention of the physical barrier needing to run the full length.

Trump seems to want (lets be fair, I am not even sure Trump knows what he wants) a new large wall to go along the full border. I don't think he has explained how that fits into the existing structures though.

Do you see the difference?

TheDoctor

LostinKildare wrote: »

Wow, brilliant speech by Michelle Obama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNWYqDU948

Looking forward to Trumps next wife version of this speech in 2020.

130Kph

RobertKK wrote: »

He was best man for Barack at his wedding but says he is disappointed with his brother. He says he finds Trump inspiring.

Do you know (or can you offer an opinion on) what Obama’s half brother finds inspiring about Trump in relation to these selected sections of a Washington Post editorial about him – especially the part where Trump repeats the lie when confronted by reporters with evidence that he was lying.

Washington Post wrote:

DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together.

But he displays no curiosity, reads no books and appears to believe he needs no advice. In fact, what makes Mr. Trump so unusual is his combination of extreme neediness and unbridled arrogance.

He also is contemptuous of fact. Throughout the campaign, he has unspooled one lie after another — that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated after 9/11, that his tax-cut plan would not worsen the deficit, that he opposed the Iraq War before it started — and when confronted with contrary evidence, he simply repeats the lie.

Given his ignorance, it is perhaps not surprising that Mr. Trump offers no coherence when it comes to policy.

Worse than the flip-flops is the absence of any substance in his agenda. Existing trade deals are “stupid,” but Mr. Trump does not say how they could be improved.

What the candidate does offer is a series of prejudices and gut feelings, most of them erroneous.

The Trump litany of victimization has resonated with many Americans whose economic prospects have stagnated. They deserve a serious champion, and the challenges of inequality and slow wage growth deserve a serious response. But Mr. Trump has nothing positive to offer, only scapegoats and dark conspiracy theories.

Worse, he doesn’t seem to care about its limitations on executive power. He has threatened that those who criticize him will suffer when he is president. He has vowed to torture suspected terrorists and bomb their innocent relatives, no matter the illegality of either act. He has vowed to constrict the independent press.

Mr. Trump is a unique and present danger.

Brian?

LostinKildare wrote: »

Wow, brilliant speech by Michelle Obama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNWYqDU948

Fantastic speech.

Fr Tod Umptious

As expected lots of fawning over the speeches at the DNC.

TheDoctor

Its refreshing after the "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!" speeches last week.

Brian?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As expected lots of fawning over the speeches at the DNC.

It's a sneering jackpot for you, you must be delighted.

Have you a counterpoint to make? Do you have a criticism of Michelle Obama's speech at all?

It was an excellent speech. I'd put money on Hilary's being nowhere near as good.

Suryavarman

Brian? wrote: »

I'm not sure I believe the racist angle, but those brackets are not grammatically correct. They are superfluous. (Brackets)

I'd scoff at claims such a tweet was racist if somebody else tweeted it. Considering it's Trump and he has tweeted anti-semitic material in past it's much easier to believe there was anti-semitic intent behind the tweet.

Suryavarman

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As expected lots of fawning over the speeches at the DNC.

It's easy to do considering how terrible the speeches were last week. Speeches full of hope and tolerance are a hell of a lot more enjoyable to listen to than speeches full of hate and vitriol.

RobertKK

Christy42 wrote: »

That isn't a wall along the full border. There are already physical barriers in place so that isn't a new statement. There is no mention of the physical barrier needing to run the full length.

Trump seems to want (lets be fair, I am not even sure Trump knows what he wants) a new large wall to go along the full border. I don't think he has explained how that fits into the existing structures though.

Do you see the difference?

Listen to her, she talks about:
"Mexican government policy is pushing migration north"
Need to "secure our borders with technology, personnel, physical barriers if necessary in some places"
"Employer sanctions" against those who employ illegal immigrants.
"Deport" the people who come from Mexico and involved in crime.


All the same themes as Trump.
Maybe Hillary has no set policy and now sees votes. You can see the Hillary video being used in ads.

RobertKK

Brian? wrote: »

It's a sneering jackpot for you, you must be delighted.

Have you a counterpoint to make? Do you have a criticism of Michelle Obama's speech at all?

It was an excellent speech. I'd put money on Hilary's being nowhere near as good.

A most overrated speech, Michelle suffered from amnesia and forgot how Hillary was the main cheerleader and who laughed like a mad woman when Gaddafi died, she left Libya a terrorist ridden nation and a threat to Europe and elsewhere.

She thought Hillary did a great job, when her record is of a nation destroyer.

Fr Tod Umptious

Suryavarman wrote: »

It's easy to do considering how terrible the speeches were last week. Speeches full of hope and tolerance are a hell of a lot more enjoyable to listen to than speeches full of hate and vitriol.

But which will resonate with the US public.

The reality is Americans are worried, they are worried about radical Islam, they are worried about the direction of their country, and of the world.

The speeches at the RNC about the state of the US will resonate more with ordinary Americans more than the "everything is awesome" stuff out of the DNC.

And I'm not surprised by the reactions here. From reading and contributing to this form for years I have realised that most posters haven't a clue about the lives and opinions of ordinary Americans, they just have some weird desire to see the US turned into some sort of social democratic utopia.

TheDoctor

You're in a lot more danger in the US of a regular US citizens shooting up a school etc than a member of ISIS getting you.

Of course under US logic one is a lone angry person with a mental problem the other is a dangerous terrorist when in reality its the same.

Suryavarman

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But which will resonate with the US public.

The reality is Americans are worried, they are worried about radical Islam, they are worried about the direction of their country, and of the world.

The speeches at the RNC about the state of the US will resonate more with ordinary Americans more than the "everything is awesome" stuff out of the DNC.

And I'm not surprised by the reactions here. From reading and contributing to this form for years I have realised that most posters haven't a clue about the lives and opinions of ordinary Americans, they just have some weird desire to see the US turned into some sort of social democratic utopia.

We'll have to wait until Hillary retakes the lead in polls early next week and keeps it until November to see which convention resonates more with the electorate.

Mr Freeze

TheDoctor wrote: »

You're in a lot more danger in the US of a regular US citizens shooting up a school etc than a member of ISIS getting you.

Of course under US logic one is a lone angry person with a mental problem the other is a dangerous terrorist when in reality its the same.

Just to add to that:
I read recently, that americans are more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

RobertKK

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But which will resonate with the US public.

The reality is Americans are worried, they are worried about radical Islam, they are worried about the direction of their country, and of the world.

The speeches at the RNC about the state of the US will resonate more with ordinary Americans more than the "everything is awesome" stuff out of the DNC.

And I'm not surprised by the reactions here. From reading and contributing to this form for years I have realised that most posters haven't a clue about the lives and opinions of ordinary Americans, they just have some weird desire to see the US turned into some sort of social democratic utopia.

Yeah, Americans will wake up today, see the liberal media praising the convention last night, then in the real world see the attacks in Europe continue to happen.
When the RNC convention addressed fear they dealt with a fear of where this world is going, one cannot say that after near 8 years of Obama his foreign policy and that of his secretary of states have worked to make the world safer.