2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Amerika

ISIS apparently doesn’t exist in the DNC world. Over 60 speeches last night and not one mention of the global terrorism threat from ISIS. Kumbaya, everyone… the world is a wonderful place. Tell that to Father Jacques Hamel the 86 year-old priest from Normandy. Nothing to see here, please move along.

I found it ironic that the Democrats new claim to fame (should really be claim to flame) is “We don’t build bridges, we tear them down.” This as they sit protected by a 8 foot high, 4 mile long fence surrounding their convention, erected to keep disillusioned Americans out. I wonder how they would feel if people heeded their words and tore that fence down?

But we did find out from Warren that Trump eats Latino’s and eggs for breakfast, has African American sandwiches for lunch, delights in puréed children on toast for tea, and finishes the day with fillet of women for dinner. Also, the Republican controlled congress blocks everything, which is odd because the fact is since the Republicans took control of the Senate they have passed more bills and made more progress in that short time on policy reform than the entire tenure of Democrat Majority before them (by working with and giving into democrats far too much in my opinion).

And one of the most shocking things from Warrens speech is how bad the average American has had it. You'd think Republicans have held the presidency for the last 16 years, but Barack Obama was president for the last 8 years (when Americans have had it the worst), and Hillary will just be another 4 to 8 years of the same old, same old. Albert Einstein said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. Perhaps that explains this DNC convention.

They gave Bernie his last hurrah, and Sanders was the good soldier. And in return seems to have sold his soul to the devil according to many of his supporters.

But I have to admit I found Michelle Obama's speech elegant and quite good.

TheDoctor

And what will Trumps ban, wall etc do to stop the problem?

Sweet F.A.

As long as people have internet access they can be brainwashed into performing these acts.

And then again if they trigger suspicion and get put on the terrorist watchlist, sure they can still walk into a shop, arm themselves to the max and cause their destruction.

Billy86

Interesting - Google searches for '3rd party candidate' went up by over 1,000% during the RNC :pac: ! Doubtful that too many of them are serious enquiries, let's see if that trend continues this week... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-searches-for-third-party-presidential-candidates-are-up-over-1000-2016-07-22




In other news, I'm pretty confident Cory Booker will be on a ticket as the candidate or VP candidate next election cycle after that speech last night. Michelle Obama and Bernie's strong endorsement got a lot of the attention, but Booker stole the show for me, and the Dems may well have missed a trick by not having him on as VP. I don't know a tonne about him, but they are lacking charisma and someone to appeal to base emotions (which is basically the vast majority of what TrumpCo is running on) and he showed it in spades.

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

Barack Obama's half brother says he is voting for Trump.

Because he supports traditional marriage, and is opposed to same sex marriage. Despite his 12 wives, one or two of which I believe are underage.

He's a good fit for the Trump fanbase in that sense; a hypocrite.

Brian?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But which will resonate with the US public.

The reality is Americans are worried, they are worried about radical Islam, they are worried about the direction of their country, and of the world.

The speeches at the RNC about the state of the US will resonate more with ordinary Americans more than the "everything is awesome" stuff out of the DNC.

And I'm not surprised by the reactions here. From reading and contributing to this form for years I have realised that most posters haven't a clue about the lives and opinions of ordinary Americans, they just have some weird desire to see the US turned into some sort of social democratic utopia.

And I just "realised" you are delusional about other posters level of familiarity with "ordinary Americans". What part of the US do you live in? Can I ask how you're sure the Americans you interact with are indeed ordinary?

Most of my American friends are not extraordinary in any obvious fashion. Is there a simple test I can perform to segregate the ordinary from the extraordinary?

There are many US based social democrat/left leaning posters. There are also several right wing nuts, I mean that lovingly. Me, I no longer live in the US but I don't want to turn the US into a socially democratic utopia. It's a socialist utopia or nothing for me.

Amerika

High on the American mind is global terrorism and the need for national security. With the devastating amount of terror attacks recently drafted or inspired by ISIS, you’d think the Democrats would at least address it early on, and give us plans to confront and combat terrorism... other than just staying the course which has been a abstract failure. Instead, I learn day two will also be nothing to combat terrorism, and will end with several parents of criminals brought in to speak.

It seems Democrats have become the party of lawlessness, corruption, illegal immigration, enablers of slackers, destroyers of rights under the Constitution, job killing regulations, higher taxes, uncontrolled spending, champions of failed green energy initiatives, political correctness gone mad, and baby killers. Our founding fathers must be turning over in their graves.

Suryavarman

Amerika wrote: »

High on the American mind is global terrorism and the need for national security. With the devastating amount of terror attacks recently drafted or inspired by ISIS, you’d think the Democrats would at least address it early on, and give us plans to confront and combat terrorism... other than just staying the course which has been a abstract failure. Instead, I learn day two will also be nothing to combat terrorism, and will end with several parents of criminals brought in to speak.

It seems Democrats have become the party of lawlessness, corruption, illegal immigration, enablers of slackers, destroyers of rights under the Constitution, job killing regulations, higher taxes, uncontrolled spending, champions of failed green energy initiatives, political correctness gone mad, and baby killers. Our founding fathers must be turning over in their graves.

Was that sarcasm?

Fr Tod Umptious

Brian? wrote: »

And I just "realised" you are delusional about other posters level of familiarity with "ordinary Americans". What part of the US do you live in? Can I ask how you're sure the Americans you interact with are indeed ordinary?

Most of my American friends are not extraordinary in any obvious fashion. Is there a simple test I can perform to segregate the ordinary from the extraordinary?

There are many US based social democrat/left leaning posters. There are also several right wing nuts, I mean that lovingly. Me, I no longer live in the US but I don't want to turn the US into a socially democratic utopia. It's a socialist utopia or nothing for me.

I lived in the US for almost a decade.

One thing that struck me while there was that, contrary to what the media in Ireland had implied, a lot of my peers, both Irish and American, were GOP supporters and that it was not the preserve of gun tooting rural people from the south.

I also noticed how much racism existed in an apparently liberal, free thinking city like Boston. Neighbourhoods were racially devided and black and whites rarely mingled socially.

I found that a lot of Irish were conservative Catholics and favoured the GOP because they were against gay rights and abortion.

But back in Ireland all I hear is the same old line GOP = bad, Dems = good and all Irish are Dems because of the Kennedys.

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

It seems Democrats have become the party of lawlessness, corruption, illegal immigration, enablers of slackers, destroyers of rights under the Constitution, job killing regulations, higher taxes, uncontrolled spending, champions of failed green energy initiatives, political correctness gone mad, and baby killers. Our founding fathers must be turning over in their graves.

Y'see, this is the sort of absurd hysteria that puts moderates off people like Trump. They know that America is the wealthiest country in the world with a high quality of life for those who live there. Sure, it has problems but nothing nearly as bad as the Babylon-in-flames with hordes at the gate that Trump has been peddling. I've not had much of a look at the DNC yet but there is something that Trump supporters consistently fail to understand: Many Hillary voters are voting for her to keep Trump out, not because they like her. I'm well aware of her checkered past and the fact that she's now the lesser of two evils tells me that US democracy is in a state of crisis. If I had a vote, I'd probably cast it for Gary Johnson even knowing that it would be a complete waste.

Billy86

Amerika wrote: »

ISIS apparently doesn’t exist in the DNC world. Over 60 speeches last night and not one mention of the global terrorism threat from ISIS. Kumbaya, everyone… the world is a wonderful place. Tell that to Father Jacques Hamel the 86 year-old priest from Normandy. Nothing to see here, please move along.

Yeah, some must've been left with a strong case of blue balls over that.

Also, the Republican controlled congress blocks everything, which is odd because the fact is since the Republicans took control of the Senate they have passed more bills and made more progress in that short time on policy reform than the entire tenure of Democrat Majority before them (by working with and giving into democrats far too much in my opinion).

How many lies and mistruths do you post on a weekly basis? Ignoring the fact that this statistic, if it were true which it is not, ignores the fact and context that Congress does not act in sole isolation... Is 199 a bigger number than 296 inside your head?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_113th_United_States_Congress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

Was that sarcasm?

No.

Billy86

Amerika wrote: »

High on the American mind is global terrorism and the need for national security. With the devastating amount of terror attacks recently drafted or inspired by ISIS, you’d think the Democrats would at least address it early on, and give us plans to confront and combat terrorism... other than just staying the course which has been a abstract failure. Instead, I learn day two will also be nothing to combat terrorism, and will end with several parents of criminals brought in to speak.

Again? It must be a really, really bad case of blue balls. If you wishto relieve yourself and get back to us when less frustrated, this should help http://www.breitbart.com

Amerika

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Y'see, this is the sort of absurd hysteria that puts moderates off people like Trump. They know that America is the wealthiest country in the world with a high quality of life for those who live there. Sure, it has problems but nothing nearly as bad as the Babylon-in-flames with hordes at the gate that Trump has been peddling. I've not had much of a look at the DNC yet but there is something that Trump supporters consistently fail to understand: Many Hillary voters are voting for her to keep Trump out, not because they like her. I'm well aware of her checkered past and the fact that she's now the lesser of two evils tells me that US democracy is in a state of crisis. If I had a vote, I'd probably cast it for Gary Johnson even knowing that it would be a complete waste.

Have you not been paying attention to the primary? Everything I listed is part of their platform, albeit said in a somewhat hyperbolic manner.

What gets almost no attention is many people got to see Trump for the first time when he gave his speech at the RNC convention, outside of small bits shown by the media intended to make him look bad. And a CNN poll directly after the speech showed 75% of the responders had a positive reaction to his speech, and 56% were more likely to vote for Trump post speech. CNN quickly pulled down the results because it didn’t jive with their narrative. Trump supporters realize democrats will be voting for Hillary. It is the hearts and minds of the independents that will decide this election, and if they get to see Trump outside the biased media reporting, I believe his chances of becoming president increase. He speaks to the concerns of the average American... far better than Clinton.

Amerika

Billy86 wrote: »

Again? It must be a really, really bad case of blue balls. If you wishto relieve yourself and get back to us when less frustrated, this should help http://www.breitbart.com

Sadly, the only thing I see happening to a comment like this is lots of likes from the majority of poster here.

Billy86

Amerika wrote: »

Sadly, the only thing I see happening to a comment like this is lots of likes from the majority of poster here.

It is a four day convention, and the jumping up and down and hissy fits of some on the right (you've posted at least twice about it already) that nobody was going after the Mooooslems and other brown folk really does say a hell of a lot about where interests lie and what they get off on. Politically speak, of course!


Now answer me this, which is a bigger number - 296 or 199?

Amerika

Suryavarman wrote: »

Oh right. Is it not too early to be drinking? Or are you always that irrational and detached from reality?

“The list of things which we absolutely know, is not a long one, and we have not the luck to add a fresh one to it often, but I recognized that I had added one to mine this day. I knew, now, that it isn’t safe to sit in judgment upon another person’s illusion when you are not on the inside. While you are thinking it is a dream, he may be knowing it is a planet.”
–Mark Twain

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

Have you not been paying attention to the primary? Everything I listed is part of their platform, albeit said in a somewhat hyperbolic manner.

What gets almost no attention is many people got to see Trump for the first time when he gave his speech at the RNC convention, outside of small bits shown by the media intended to make him look bad. And a CNN poll directly after the speech showed 75% of the responders had a positive reaction to his speech, and 56% were more likely to vote for Trump post speech. CNN quickly pulled down the results because it didn’t jive with their narrative. Trump supporters realize democrats will be voting for Hillary. It is the hearts and minds of the independents that will decide this election, and if they get to see Trump outside the biased media reporting, I believe his chances of becoming president increase. He speaks to the concerns of the average American... far better than Clinton.

A majority of people at the RNC will vote for Trump? This isn't exactly surprising.

Amerika

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

A majority of people at the RNC will vote for Trump? This isn't exactly surprising.

I'm not so sure of the GOP establishment. I don't believe Democrats (who have been at the helm for the last 8 years and look to have 8 more years of the same old, same old) or the GOP establishment (who the majority of Republicans have issue with because they seemingly have forgotten the average people) are fond at all about Trump. I'm starting to think the GOP establishment might find it easier to deal with Hillary Clinton. A big part of why Trump appeals to the average American, who feels they have been left behind for the last 10 years or so, is he is perceived as an outsider and not afraid to really shake Washington up. I think Trump scares both the Democratic and the Republican establishment... and the reason he just might win it all from the angry voters this election.

ancapailldorcha

Amerika wrote: »

I'm not so sure of the GOP establishment. I don't believe Democrats (who have been at the helm for the last 8 years and look to have 8 more years of the same old, same old) or the GOP establishment (who the majority of Republicans have issue with because they seemingly have forgotten the average people) are fond at all about Trump. And a main part of why Trump appeals to the average American who feels they have been left behind for the last 10 years or so. I think Trump scares both the Democratic and Republican establishment... and the reason he just might win it all from the voters.

Trump is every bit a part of the establishment as anyone else. The only thing that makes him stand out from it is his fondness for outlandish and provocative remarks. If he wins, it'll be very slight. He won't "win it all". Not a chance.

RobertKK

Billy86 wrote: »

Because he supports traditional marriage, and is opposed to same sex marriage. Despite his 12 wives, one or two of which I believe are underage.

He's a good fit for the Trump fanbase in that sense; a hypocrite.

Well he is Muslim and according to the Quran, Mohamed had a wife who would be deemed underage in most societies.

Brian?

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I lived in the US for almost a decade.

One thing that struck me while there was that, contrary to what the media in Ireland had implied, a lot of my peers, both Irish and American, were GOP supporters and that it was not the preserve of gun tooting rural people from the south.

I also noticed how much racism existed in an apparently liberal, free thinking city like Boston. Neighbourhoods were racially devided and black and whites rarely mingled socially.

I found that a lot of Irish were conservative Catholics and favoured the GOP because they were against gay rights and abortion.

But back in Ireland all I hear is the same old line GOP = bad, Dems = good and all Irish are Dems because of the Kennedys.

This is not an answer to my post. You claim we're out of touch with "real Americans". Justify that statement or back down and apologise.

FWIW most of my American friends are registered GOP voters. They'd be soft conservatives. I'm well aware of the make up of the GOP base. As are plenty of other posters here. Can I have my apology now?

RobertKK

Amerika wrote: »

Have you not been paying attention to the primary? Everything I listed is part of their platform, albeit said in a somewhat hyperbolic manner.

What gets almost no attention is many people got to see Trump for the first time when he gave his speech at the RNC convention, outside of small bits shown by the media intended to make him look bad. And a CNN poll directly after the speech showed 75% of the responders had a positive reaction to his speech, and 56% were more likely to vote for Trump post speech. CNN quickly pulled down the results because it didn’t jive with their narrative. Trump supporters realize democrats will be voting for Hillary. It is the hearts and minds of the independents that will decide this election, and if they get to see Trump outside the biased media reporting, I believe his chances of becoming president increase. He speaks to the concerns of the average American... far better than Clinton.

That is true, Trump ended the RNC convention at what only could be described as a success.
Poll figures were positive, despite critics trying to portray a narrative of it being something dark and negative.
The reality is, turn on the news and you see the reality is there is a lot of darkness .

PopePalpatine

Billy86 wrote: »

Now answer me this, which is a bigger number - 296 or 199?

Ah come on Billy, didn't you get Newt's memo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4f5ewIYYuQ

Billy86

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Ah come on Billy, didn't you get Newt's memo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4f5ewIYYuQ

And then right wingers turn around and wonder how all these facts seem to have a 'liberal bias' to them.

Amerika

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Ah come on Billy, didn't you get Newt's memo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4f5ewIYYuQ

Actually, they're both correct about the statistics.

Billy86

Amerika wrote: »

Actually, they're both correct about the statistics.

Thank you for proving the point. Crime being up in one small part does nothing against the fact that crime is down on a national level. If you think it does, then if crime is down in one single street in Chicago, it means crime in Chicago as a whole must not be on the rise.

Now, which is a bigger number... 199 or 297?

LostinKildare

Amerika wrote: »

“The list of things which we absolutely know, is not a long one, and we have not the luck to add a fresh one to it often, but I recognized that I had added one to mine this day. I knew, now, that it isn’t safe to sit in judgment upon another person’s illusion when you are not on the inside. While you are thinking it is a dream, he may be knowing it is a planet.”
–Mark Twain

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

LostinKildare

According to the NBC/SM poll released today, Trump didn't get the significant bounce usually expected after a convention.

In this poll, Clinton still leads Trump in a 2-way contest, by 1 point.

Among Independents, 30% viewed Trump's speech as good or excellent, 29% as just okay, and 40% as poor or terrible. And in their view of the GOP after the convention: 9% more favourable, 42% less favourable, 47% no change.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-no-post-convention-bounce-donald-trump-n616426

Amerika

LostinKildare wrote: »

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain

The double standard system precludes me from responding in kind.

Black Swan

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But the emails are a huge problem for Hillary.

It appears that many DoD employees today still claim to use private emails for government business, even after all the widely circulated adverse press about the Hillary Email Scandal. Of course, the DoD has no American military secrets.

From the Government Business Council's February 2015 survey on internal workplace communication in federal agencies it showed that only 18% of DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE employees claimed to have never used private emails for government business. This does not represent an isolated Hillary Clinton private email event, rather a federal epidemic, so why are they focusing on Hillary Clinton and not the widespread use of private emails for government business? Could it be that Hillary Clinton is running for president 2016 and the Republicans and Donald Trump want to discredit her in particular?



It's not only the Obama administration that has had epidemic private email uses for government business, but the GW Bush administration had the same problem. And if everyone was honest in the US Congress, they would also have to admit that they too have done so; and to suggest otherwise is a pure fantasy that doesn't make for good fiction. I could find many examples ranging from today back to when emails were first exchanged between government, military, and universities. Why bother?

I don't like Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, but the extraordinary focus on her emails has been nothing less than a Republican presidential election year motivated witch hunt.