2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Amerika

I wasn’t impressed with the debate, but Fox News really took the candidates to task. I thought Kasich and Rubio probably faired the best. But Carly Fiorina really kicked butt and improved her lot in the earlier debate.

KingBrian2

Trump was the best out of a bad lot. He kind of reminds me of Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses. Usually the last person to come out of the casino but the first to cry foul.

Recognition Scene

Amerika wrote: »

I wasn’t impressed with the debate, but Fox News really took the candidates to task.

They really, really didn't.

This summed it up tbh: https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/629399243334090752

Paleface

The notion of Fox News going hard on the GOP in any way is nonsensical.

MightyMandarin

Paleface wrote: »

The notion of Fox News going hard on the GOP in any way is nonsensical.

This. It's in their best interests to not grill them so they don't look bad and all have a better chance of defeating Hillary if they win the nomination.

Paleface

MightyMandarin wrote: »

This. It's in their best interests to not grill them so they don't look bad and all have a better chance of defeating Hillary if they win the nomination.

They kind of went harder on Trump from what I've read as I've not watched the whole thing. But he still came out on top in the opinion poll after! :rolleyes:

He took Megyn Kelly to task on twitter for having a go at him but I think that was pantomime also.

I've also read a theory that he is not a serious candidate and is there to soften the general Republican electorate to Jeb Bush i.e. its vote for Jeb or this nut will get in!

KingBrian2

Paleface wrote: »

They kind of went harder on Trump from what I've read as I've not watched the whole thing. But he still came out on top in the opinion poll after! :rolleyes:

He took Megyn Kelly to task on twitter for having a go at him but I think that was pantomime also.

I've also read a theory that he is not a serious candidate and is there to soften the general Republican electorate to Jeb Bush i.e. its vote for Jeb or this nut will get in!

Yeah Megyn did a kind of character assassination of him. Threw out a few comments he had said which where pretty nasty about women. It would have the effect of discrediting him in the eyes of women voters.

MightyMandarin

Paleface wrote: »

They kind of went harder on Trump from what I've read as I've not watched the whole thing. But he still came out on top in the opinion poll after! :rolleyes:

He took Megyn Kelly to task on twitter for having a go at him but I think that was pantomime also.

I've also read a theory that he is not a serious candidate and is there to soften the general Republican electorate to Jeb Bush i.e. its vote for Jeb or this nut will get in!

It's because the majority of establishment Republicans are furious with him.

He's turned the race into a circus. He's associated them with his antics due to his high polling and attention drawn to them, which means the swing voters and moderates are certainly leaning to Hillary over him. But oddly enough, of all the crazy stuff he's said in the past few months, his threats to run as an Independent anger the establishment republicans the most, as the possibility of splitting the vote by bringing their hardliners with him is frightening them.

I don't believe that theory for a second. Firstly, this Donald Trump, the most egotistical man in the world, we're talking about; do you think he'd be up for acting like a clown in order to make somebody else look better? Not a chance. Another thing to consider is that he's spent a lot of his own money on his campaign; there's no way a businessman like himself would waste a load of money on a political tactic like this, particularly a businessman, who claims to hate political tactics, like him.

frostyjacks

I hope Trump gets the nomination and goes on to win the presidency. He's a breath of fresh air; a politician who isn't afraid to say what he's really thinking. I like how he put that silly blonde girl in her place.

ECO_Mental

frostyjacks wrote: »

I hope Trump gets the nomination and goes on to win the presidency. He's a breath of fresh air; a politician who isn't afraid to say what he's really thinking. I like how he put that silly blonde girl in her place.

I don't know why some people think its great that people "say what he's really thinking" I mean I would love to tell my boss that he a lazy useless arsehole, but I know that won't work out for me on a lot of levels. Its called having manners and being civil to people and treating people like you would be like to be talked to yourself. But trump is an egomaniac and thinks he can get away with. But its just plain rude and ignorant.

Yeah I hope he gets the nomination as well because then he will hand the president to the Dems. With him being a chauvinistic racist egomaniac he has already alienated over half the population. He is only topping the polls with the Rep white old men.

alaimacerc

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I don't know why some people think its great that people "say what he's really thinking" I mean I would love to tell my boss that he a lazy useless arsehole, but I know that won't work out for me on a lot of levels.

I think that's exactly it. "Wow, I wish I could get away with saying spiteful nonsense like that!"

Yeah I hope he gets the nomination as well because then he will hand the president to the Dems.

Maybe even if Sanders is the nominee. Or maybe that's the plot: lull the 'Crats into a false sense of security, get them to nominate Bernie, then swap out The Donald for someone vaguely on this planet.

I'll grant you it seems a little far-fetched, but it makes a lot more sense to me than "having Trump as the nominee is a good plan." Much less "having Trump as president."

Hande hoche!

frostyjacks wrote: »

I hope Trump gets the nomination and goes on to win the presidency. He's a breath of fresh air; a politician who isn't afraid to say what he's really thinking. I like how he put that silly blonde girl in her place.

That would certainly make for interesting times. I hope he gets the nomination, wonder who could be the choice for VP?

A Dub in Glasgo

frostyjacks wrote: »

I hope Trump gets the nomination and goes on to win the presidency. He's a breath of fresh air; a politician who isn't afraid to say what he's really thinking. I like how he put that silly blonde girl in her place.

Trump is an out and out bully

Manach

While I'd not gell with Mr Trumps policies, his straight talking is a breath of fresh air when place in context with the prevailing air of neo-victorian level of speech codes.

MightyMandarin

Manach wrote: »

While I'd not gell with Mr Trumps policies, his straight talking is a breath of fresh air when place in context with the prevailing air of neo-victorian level of speech codes.

Really don't get this 'breath of fresh air' thing which people seem to love about him.

Deluded policies aside, the man is a disgrace to the GOP. I don't care if someone disagrees with people and their ideologies, but Trump acts like a child when arguing with opponents. Attacking Kelly like that may have been justified because she questioned him a bit harder than anyone else, but why stoop to her level, or go even lower than her? Calling women you don't like 'bimbo's' is not only un-Presidential like, it's behaviour nobody should accept from a grown man.

I disagree with pretty much every policy every candidate at that debate proposed, but there's nobody (aside from maybe Christie) who I detest as much as that man.

Brian?

Manach wrote: »

While I'd not gell with Mr Trumps policies, his straight talking is a breath of fresh air when place in context with the prevailing air of neo-victorian level of speech codes.

He's not a breath of fresh air. Not to labour the metaphor, but he reminds me of the air that's released when you open Tupperware and find some leftovers that should have been thrown out a couple of days ago. Overpoweringly offensive, stinking air. Air you're sorry you ever had to breath in.

Either that or mustard gas. If his performances so far are genuinely singer and not some sort of act, he's a horrible human being incapable of politeness.

I heard a good quote the other day, "political correctness is actually a polite way of saying 'don't act like an asshole'". Trump will never be politically correct. Some people love that. But IMO that's because they feel they should allowed act like an asshole with impunity.

PopePalpatine

Brian? wrote: »

He's not a breath of fresh air. Not to labour the metaphor, but he reminds me of the air that's released when you open Tupperware and find some leftovers that should have been thrown out a couple of days ago. Overpoweringly offensive, stinking air. Air you're sorry you ever had to breath in.

Either that or mustard gas. If his performances so far are genuinely singer and not some sort of act, he's a horrible human being incapable of politeness.

I heard a good quote the other day, "political correctness is actually a polite way of saying 'don't act like an asshole'". Trump will never be politically correct. Some people love that. But IMO that's because they feel they should allowed act like an asshole with impunity.

God forbid we be polite to anyone besides (usually white) heterosexual Christians! :eek:

Manach

The condemnation of Trump for a failure to even pretend to care about the ever evolving don'ts of what is acceptable is prefaced by the assumption that such common standards are in still existence by societal agreement. Instead perceived breaches are used as a means to drum up support as proof of, to coin a phrase, "War on X".
So populates rhetoric on the left seems to get lionized, thinking of Chavez, Grachii, & Castro but when the opposing groups start pumping out similar guff then the self same is then decried. Thus it might come as a belated surprise to the guardian gatekeepers of public discourse but the old shilabths of no longer have any power to censure, shock or scandalize.
The amusement at the reactions caused by Trump is worthy of the reality TV show that is the US presidental race.

A Dub in Glasgo

You like Katie Hopkins as well then?

InTheTrees

Manach wrote: »

The condemnation of Trump for a failure to even pretend to care about the ever evolving don'ts of what is acceptable is prefaced by the assumption that such common standards are in still existence by societal agreement.

And its a fair assumption to make because there are standards.

Watching how candidates relate to others is an important part of the selection process for president.

I'm sure trump will retain his support from the If-you-dont-like-what-i'm saying-its-your-problem crowd.

But he wont win the nomination.

The latest comments on the fox news host "bleeding from her whereever" have certainly crossed yet another line.

Brian?

Manach wrote: »

The condemnation of Trump for a failure to even pretend to care about the ever evolving don'ts of what is acceptable is prefaced by the assumption that such common standards are in still existence by societal agreement. Instead perceived breaches are used as a means to drum up support as proof of, to coin a phrase, "War on X".
So populates rhetoric on the left seems to get lionized, thinking of Chavez, Grachii, & Castro but when the opposing groups start pumping out similar guff then the self same is then decried. Thus it might come as a belated surprise to the guardian gatekeepers of public discourse but the old shilabths of no longer have any power to censure, shock or scandalize.
The amusement at the reactions caused by Trump is worthy of the reality TV show that is the US presidental race.

I have no idea what your point is. Are you proposing Donald Trump as a balance to Chavez etc.? That's nonsense.


Chavez was as outspoken, boorish and downright rude as Trump. I never like or approved of it even if his core politics were close to my own.

You described Trump as a "breath of fresh air". How about you explain this belief.

PopePalpatine

Brian? wrote: »

You described Trump as a "breath of fresh air". How about you explain this belief.

Something something something "MUH CHRISTIAN NAYSHUN!"

sinead88

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Something something something "MUH CHRISTIAN NAYSHUN!"

"Political correctness gone mad!".....or maybe it's not very acceptable to be racist/sexist/homophobic anymore.

KingBrian2

InTheTrees wrote: »

And its a fair assumption to make because there are standards.

Watching how candidates relate to others is an important part of the selection process for president.

I'm sure trump will retain his support from the If-you-dont-like-what-i'm saying-its-your-problem crowd.

But he wont win the nomination.

The latest comments on the fox news host "bleeding from her whereever" have certainly crossed yet another line.

Trump represents the GOP base. That is how they feel and what's more this is where they see America going. Pure and simple it is straight forward democracy. 17 candidates all coming out with incendiary comments only John Kasich came across as human.

ECO_Mental

This whole "bleeding from wherever" comment has to be the end of him.

He is a pig of a man, chauvinistic or not. How any woman can vote for him after this I don't know.

The GOP have to dump him, but if they do he will go on a solo run. Its a catch 22 for them. Christmas has come early for the Dems

comongethappy

It's a shame this Trump farce is 15 months away from the election.

Plenty of time to be largely forgot by the time voters cast their ballots.

BoJack Horseman

If anyone is interested, below is a writeup on the GOP boys opinions vis-a-vis defence.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/all-the-things-the-gop-candidates-got-wrong-on-the-mili-1722652263

In a nutshell, they don't say much.

InTheTrees

comongethappy wrote: »

It's a shame this Trump farce is 15 months away from the election.

Plenty of time to be largely forgot by the time voters cast their ballots.

I'm sure the republicans wont fail to deliver with some alternative clown to run. The koch money is behind walker apparently.

It would be great if trump ran as an independent.

seligehgit

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Trump represents the GOP base. That is how they feel and what's more this is where they see America going. Pure and simple it is straight forward democracy. 17 candidates all coming out with incendiary comments only John Kasich came across as human.

TBF I don't know a hell of a lot about him but Rand Paul impressed me in the bit of the debate I saw,seemed a decent enough human being.

The Black Oil

20Cent wrote: »

Here is the debate:
https://youtu.be/D9bRSJrJqUU

My favourite bit so far.

Paul Rand: "You gave Obama a big hug"
Chris Christie: "The hugs I remember are the hugs i gave to the people who lost their families on 911"

Pathetic that they're still obsessed with that, really.