2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

And in a couple of weeks she'll probably poll in the number 4 or 5 spot. What tune will you sing then?

I'll bow though to your predictive knowledge when it happens.

Thargor

You can do it Rick, hang in there!

http://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/rick-santorum-voter-support-dr.html

But I thought God had literally spoken to him and told him to run though? He wouldn't lie about something like that would he?

Overheal

God doesn't have a chequebook though

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

God doesn't have a chequebook though

Sure he does.

K-9

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nah, the rolleyes is for not supporting Rick Anal-Sex-Aftermath or the balding billionaire beloved of assholes who miss being allowed to pick on LGBT people or religious minorities without getting called out for it.

Mod:

Can we raise the tone a little please.

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

No, I'd like to say we want to go to Windows 10, but it violates your privacy by default which is more a Democrat type thing... so maybe moving to a MAC is a better analogy.

Well OK whatever we'll call it you knew what I meant at least!

Overheal

One thing to be mindful of. Even if Trump doesn't get the GOP nomination...

He's still got no other serious day job,

Or constituents to piss off,

And hella money.

There is almost nothing that will prevent Trump from staying in America's face until election day, and he will be on the ballot one way or another.

This is the Internet Election*.

*You heard it hear first (I think).

Amerika

Looks like Joe Biden is getting closer to a presidential run as Hillary Clinton is getting closer to going to prison. He better act soon as it takes time to get staff and ground troops together and not much time to do it in. I don’t understand why John Kerry didn’t jump in the race as Clinton’s problems started mounting... He almost took it all against Bush.

Overheal

No fan of Hillary's but if she goes to prison she can bring Dick Cheney and a few other people with her.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Looks like Joe Biden is getting closer to a presidential run as Hillary Clinton is getting closer to going to prison. He better act soon as it takes time to get staff and ground troops together and not much time to do it in. I don’t understand why John Kerry didn’t jump in the race as Clinton’s problems started mounting... He almost took it all against Bush.

Kerry isn't running for the same reason Romney is not running, no one likes a loser.

What's this about Hilary Clinton going to prison now? Will she be sharing a cell with Rick Perry?

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

What's this about Hilary Clinton going to prison now? Will she be sharing a cell with Rick Perry?

The email scandal is getting worse by the minute for Hillary Clinton. Government officials have gone to jail for much less. The FBI is now investigating. Just about everything she has stated about the email debacle has been proven to be lies within a couple of days. If she isn’t prosecuted it will simply be because she is the privileged royalty that is Hillary Clinton. And that might not sit well with the American voters. At a minimum the people might not be willing to hand over the keys to the country to someone who has displayed gross negligence and was so cavalier with our national security. And that doesn’t begin to address the potential pay to play influence scandal that the scrubbed emails might potentially prove. Democrats are in a tailspin as they really don't have anyone good sitting in the wings if she does crash and burn.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html

Manach

Playing Devil's advocate on behalf of Mrs. Clinton, there are still several factors that work in her favour.

One is the while having an unsecured server is a breach of regulations, any regular reader of say security experts like Krebs or Schneider would know that the US IT network is basically swiss cheese thus any crediable overseas agency more than likely has the same info at source.

Second, from back when she was in the Obama administration she did at times (cherrypicking a bit) a good job at both promoting human rights and standing up for oppressed people and seeking to engage in a more multi-lateral means with other countries. While internationalism is not high on US public list of priorities she had done compared to others who held the post a competance which none of her current/potential opponents in the Democratic race can match.

Thus, too early to count her out.

Thargor

The idea she would be worse than the loons and Koch puppets on the other side is laughable anyway.

Overheal

The email scandal could very well end her presidential campaign - unless she shines a light on republican presidents

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

The email scandal is getting worse by the minute for Hillary Clinton. Government officials have gone to jail for much less. The FBI is now investigating. Just about everything she has stated about the email debacle has been proven to be lies within a couple of days. If she isn’t prosecuted it will simply be because she is the privileged royalty that is Hillary Clinton. And that might not sit well with the American voters. At a minimum the people might not be willing to hand over the keys to the country to someone who has displayed gross negligence and was so cavalier with our national security. And that doesn’t begin to address the potential pay to play influence scandal that the scrubbed emails might potentially prove. Democrats are in a tailspin as they really don't have anyone good sitting in the wings if she does crash and burn.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html

As far as I'm aware she did nothing illegal. What illegality is involved here?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

The email scandal could very well end her presidential campaign - unless she shines a light on republican presidents

That's gotta sting.

jobbridge4life

Amerika wrote: »

The email scandal is getting worse by the minute for Hillary Clinton. Government officials have gone to jail for much less. The FBI is now investigating. Just about everything she has stated about the email debacle has been proven to be lies within a couple of days. If she isn’t prosecuted it will simply be because she is the privileged royalty that is Hillary Clinton. And that might not sit well with the American voters. At a minimum the people might not be willing to hand over the keys to the country to someone who has displayed gross negligence and was so cavalier with our national security. And that doesn’t begin to address the potential pay to play influence scandal that the scrubbed emails might potentially prove. Democrats are in a tailspin as they really don't have anyone good sitting in the wings if she does crash and burn.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/the-spy-satellite-secrets-in-hillary-s-emails.html

As opposed to the Republican side whose current forerunner is a sunburnt gopher with an ego the size of one his towers?

The emails are undoubtedly an unwelcome distraction and stumbling point for Hilary but once more your partisan lense has lead to some serious misevaluation of the significance of the problem, especially when considered against previous administrative actions.

Its also a nonsense to suggest that there is no one other than Hillary. Biden can step in at a moments notice, Sanders is already energising the base and we have 16 months to go.

Overheal

Even if either the GOP or the Dems completely ****ed up this early, you are correct, there is an absolutely absurd amount of time left.

Wompa1

To me anybody but Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren (Who is not likely to run) will just be the status quo and more of the same. I live and work over here. I would be happy for either to win and for either to up my taxes come 2016 if it meant better social services for the people.

The Americans are pretty brainwashed. Also, aside from Bernie and Elizabeth...I believe whoever wins will continue that brainwashing.

Overheal

....who would maybe have their interest piqued if Al Gore came in as a dark horse, later in the race?

Zascar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVOCgUgwPqo

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

Even if either the GOP or the Dems completely ****ed up this early, you are correct, there is an absolutely absurd amount of time left.

There's so much time left, by the time the nomination is decided The Donald, Fiorina etc. will be distant memories. Jeb's ascendcy to the nomination is a given IMO.

Brian?

Overheal wrote: »

....who would maybe have their interest piqued if Al Gore came in as a dark horse, later in the race?

Al Gore would be a very interesting one. He could unite the Democrats behind him very quickly. He'd also have the GOP running scared. He should have beaten them before.

InTheTrees

Brian? wrote: »

He should have beaten them before.

He did.

MightyMandarin

Zascar wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVOCgUgwPqo

He's got a great populist message which (weirdly enough for his followers) is very similar to that of Sanders, Warren and other social democrats.

The key thing to remember with Trump whenever he talks about his opponents and their pandering to rich CEO's and billionaires is that Trump is not going to be told what to do by CEO's because he's actually one of them and will do the same things that Bush&Co. will do; he just won't be a middleman for the rich, because they'll have their own man in the White House.

Amerika

MightyMandarin wrote: »

He's got a great populist message which (weirdly enough for his followers) is very similar to that of Sanders, Warren and other social democrats.

The key thing to remember with Trump whenever he talks about his opponents and their pandering to rich CEO's and billionaires is that Trump is not going to be told what to do by CEO's because he's actually one of them and will do the same things that Bush&Co. will do; he just won't be a middleman for the rich, because they'll have their own man in the White House.

You do realize that if this sort of thing bothers you, it is Hillary Clinton more than any other candidate who will be a puppet to her rich and powerful donors, some of who are countries with horrible human rights violations and treatment of women... which she pretends to be a champion of.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

You do realize that if this sort of thing bothers you, it is Hillary Clinton more than any other candidate who will be a puppet to her rich and powerful donors, some of who are countries with horrible human rights violations and treatment of women... which she pretends to be a champion of.

Which donors? I'm genuinely interested.

MightyMandarin

Amerika wrote: »

You do realize that if this sort of thing bothers you, it is Hillary Clinton more than any other candidate who will be a puppet to her rich and powerful donors, some of who are countries with horrible human rights violations and treatment of women... which she pretends to be a champion of.

No, Hillary may be pandering to rich donors but she's no worse than the rest of the GOP field who aren't billionaires themselves.

And I'd love to see your sources on these donors who have 'horrible human rights violations and treatment of women'.

Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

Which donors? I'm genuinely interested.

Well, if you are genuinely interested, it is best to start with major donors to the Clinton Foundation (or a better term might be the unofficial Hillary Clinton for President Slush Fund). The Clinton Foundation only spends about 10% of its budget on charitable grants. These people, organizations and countries can’t be spending all this money merely out of the kindness of their hearts to an organization with such piss poor charitable policies, now can they?

Donations from $10,000,001 to $25,000,000
AUSAID
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Stephen L. Bing
COPRESIDA-Secretariado Tecnico
Fred Eychaner
Frank Giustra, Chief Executive Officer, The Radcliffe Foundation
Tom Golisano
The Hunter Foundation
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
The ELMA Foundation
Theodore W. Waitt

Donations from $5,000,001 to $10,000,000
Government of Norway
Nationale Postcode Loterij
Haim Saban and The Saban Family Foundation
Michael Schumacher
The Wasserman Foundation

Donations from $1,000,001 to $5,000,000
S. D. Abraham
Absolute Return for Kids (ARK)
Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi
Alltel Corporation
Nasser Al-Rashid
Smith and Elizabeth Bagley
The Eli & Edythe Broad Foundation
Richard Caring
Gilbert R. Chagoury
Citi Foundation
Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative - Canada
Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation
Robert Disbrow
Dubai Foundation
Elton John AIDS Foundation
Entergy
Mr. Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation
Wallace W. Fowler
Friends of Saudi Arabia
Mala Gaonkar Haarman
The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation
Robert L. Johnson
Howard and Michele Kessler
Michael and Jena King
Lukas Lundin
MAC AIDS Fund
John D. Mackay
Lakshmi N. Mittal
Open Society Institute
Victor Pinchuk
Presidential Inaugural Committee
Princess Diana Memorial Fund
Paul Reynolds
Robertson Foundation
Bernard L. Schwartz
Walter H. Shorenstein
Arnold H. Simon
Bren and Melvin Simon
Amar Singh
Michael Smurfit
Harold Snyder
State of Kuwait
tate of Qatar
Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP
The Streisand Foundation
Suzlon Energy Ltd.
Swiss Reinsurance Company
Taiwan Economic and Cultural Office
The Alix Foundation
The Government of Brunei Darussalam
The Howard Gilman Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust
The Sidney E. Frank Foundation
The Sultanate of Oman
The Wal-Mart Foundation
The Zayed Family
T.G. Holdings
The Walton Family Foundation

MightyMandarin

Amerika wrote: »

Well, if you are genuinely interested, it is best to start with major donors to the Clinton Foundation (or a better term might be the unofficial Hillary Clinton for President Slush Fund). The Clinton Foundation only spends about 10% of its budget on charitable grants. These people, organizations and countries can’t be spending all this money merely out of the kindness of their hearts to an organization with such piss poor charitable policies, now can they?

This does nothing to prove your point. There are a lot of big donors there and almost all of them will try to use it as leverage if she is elected, but where are the donors with 'horrible human rights violations and treatment of women'?

And are you trying to say that donations to GOP candidates won't be used as leverage if one of them is elected?