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2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

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  • #1952
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I chuckle when I think of the Ryan v Biden VP debate in 2012. An absolute masterpiece by Biden, he made Ryan look like a naughty child.

    I really hope Biden runs, seriously the most entertaining Politician active today.

    Was that a poll by Clown College you saw that had Biden winning the debate? As I recall, it was mostly considered a tie, and uncommitted voters considered Ryan as winning the debate.


  • #1953
    Amerika
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Indeed Biden looked senior while Ryan sophomoric.

    Alzheimer's beats Facts & Figures? God help us.


  • #1954
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,843 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Without a Super PAC, Bernie Sanders' campaign sits at over $40 million, mainly acquired from 1.3 million donations from 650 thousand Americans and an average contribution of about $30.

    Clinton's own campaign emails have lately discussed the tight races in early poll states like New Hampshire. She has run over 60 fundraising events with price of entry around or at the $2,700 campaign contribution cap for individuals. Sanders has run fewer than 10 of these similar events.

    Any myths that the Sanders campaign is fringe have been shown to be false.


  • #1955
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Was that a poll by Clown College you saw that had Biden winning the debate? As I recall, it was mostly considered a tie, and uncommitted voters considered Ryan as winning the debate.

    A clown college. Hilarious.

    It was my own eyes.

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    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1956
    K-9
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Was that a poll by Clown College you saw that had Biden winning the debate? As I recall, it was mostly considered a tie, and uncommitted voters considered Ryan as winning the debate.
    Amerika wrote: »
    Alzheimer's beats Facts & Figures? God help us.

    Up the standard a bit, thank you.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #1957
    Black Swan
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Without a Super PAC, Bernie Sanders' campaign sits at over $40 million, mainly acquired from 1.3 million donations from 650 thousand Americans and an average contribution of about $30.
    It's been estimated that presidential 2016 will spend 1 billion USD mostly funded by PACs and Super PACS.


  • #1958
    Overheal
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    With the Koch's in it for $900 million, I wager that figure is a lot higher than that.


  • #1959
    CompositeJohn
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭CompositeJohn


    Yesterdays latest update from Kochland.....pet project going well I see!!

    http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article37247115.html


  • #1960
    Amerika
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    Is Carly Fiorina’s star brightening? It’s reported now the Koch brothers, and other wealthy donors like T. Boone Pickens and venture capitalist Tom Perkins (with their estimated $1 billion donation and fundraising commitment) have put Firoina on the short list of candidates, along with Rubio, they may support. Having Fironia go up against Clinton certainly would draw some woman supporters from Clinton, and the Democratic mantra of the GOP’s war on women would be shot to hell.


  • #1961
    Overheal
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    So you're voting for a corporation, not a politician.


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  • #1962
    Amerika
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So you're voting for a corporation, not a politician.
    No, a qualified woman.


  • #1963
    Overheal
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    You mean Koch Industries presents 'qualified woman'


  • #1964
    Amerika
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    Overheal wrote: »
    You mean Koch Industries presents 'qualified woman'
    No, the brothers might just be backing a qualified woman.


  • #1965
    MJI
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 89 ✭✭MJI


    I'd like to see Saunders win. I've listened to other candidates and he's the only one who makes sense. All the republican are idiots and Clinton is full of ****.


  • #1966
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    No, a qualified woman.

    Qualified how? She has never held political office.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1967
    eire4
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    It's been estimated that presidential 2016 will spend 1 billion USD mostly funded by PACs and Super PACS.



    I think your under with that number. Last years 2014 midterm elections saw over $3 billion spent on buying politicans so given this is a presidential election cycle I would expect the amount of money used to buy politicans to be even higher.


  • #1968
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Qualified how? She has never held political office.
    Holding political office is not a requirement in our Constitution to become President. She does have executive experience though. And the office of the President is the Executive branch of our government.


  • #1969
    Overheal
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    Amerika wrote: »
    No, the brothers might just be backing a qualified woman.

    Do you not see a problem with one entity (Koch) having that much political capital over her head, should she become president?


  • #1970
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    Holding political office is not a requirement in our Constitution to become President. She does have executive experience though. And the office of the President is the Executive branch of our government.

    So no qualifications.

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    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1971
    Amerika
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Do you not see a problem with one entity (Koch) having that much political capital over her head, should she become president?

    How would it be different from any other presidential candidate (other than Trump)?

    I have a much bigger problem with Unions and their donations. They back candidates run for political office, then negotiate contracts with the very people they put into office, or for unions in the public sector, rely on the politicians to enact union friendly legislation.


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  • #1972
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    How would it be different from any other presidential candidate (other than Trump)?

    I have a much bigger problem with Unions and their donations. They back candidates run for political office, then negotiate contracts with the very people they put into office, or for unions in the public sector, rely on the politicians to enact union friendly legislation.

    Unions at least represent workers. The Koch brothers represent themselves.

    Unions are not the problem. That's right wing propaganda

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1973
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    So no qualifications.
    I don't understand your point. Executive experience in a large corporation with extensive negotiation duties, seems to be much better experience than a Senator or Congressman/Congressman, and about on par with a Governor, in seeking the Executive office.


  • #1974
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Unions at least represent workers. The Koch brothers represent themselves.

    Unions are not the problem. That's right wing propaganda
    And that's left wing propaganda.


  • #1975
    Overheal
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    Amerika wrote: »
    How would it be different from any other presidential candidate (other than Trump)?



    I have a much bigger problem with Unions and their donations. They back candidates run for political office, then negotiate contracts with the very people they put into office, or for unions in the public sector, rely on the politicians to enact union friendly legislation.

    What do you assume corporations do then, exactly? Are you saying they do not negotiate contracts and/or legislation favorable to them with politicians they keep in their wallet?


  • #1976
    eire4
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    Amerika wrote: »
    How would it be different from any other presidential candidate (other than Trump)?

    I have a much bigger problem with Unions and their donations. They back candidates run for political office, then negotiate contracts with the very people they put into office, or for unions in the public sector, rely on the politicians to enact union friendly legislation.



    Ahh so union money is bad. But the massive Koch type money is no big deal. I see how that works.
    Reality is that as I have said many times before the current system is broken and simply does not serve the vast majority of the American people. The politicans in washington DC for the most part are bought and paid for by major corporations and wealthy individuals. They do not serve their constituents. That is why there needs to be a constitutional ammendment to ban all money be it union or corporate. Then maybe the US government can actually work for the people it is supposed to represent.


  • #1977
    Amerika
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    Overheal wrote: »
    What do you assume corporations do then, exactly? Are you saying they do not negotiate contracts and/or legislation favorable to them with politicians they keep in their wallet?

    No, I’m noting that both parties are guilty of influence peddling, not just the GOP. And Unions represent a far greater evil, especially in the public sector when they negotiate directly with the people they put into office.


  • #1978
    Overheal
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    And Unions represent a far greater evil, especially in the public sector when they negotiate directly with the people they put into office.
    What do you assume lobbying is?


  • #1979
    Brian?
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    Amerika wrote: »
    I don't understand your point. Executive experience in a large corporation with extensive negotiation duties, seems to be much better experience than a Senator or Congressman/Congressman, and about on par with a Governor, in seeking the Executive office.

    You think running a company for profit is the equivelant of running a state? That's insanity. A company has one goal: generate profit for the share holders.

    How does running a company to generate profit equate to running a state for the well being of the citizens of said state? Now I know GOP governors haven't been doing a great job of this, but at least that's what they maintain their motivation is.

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    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #1980
    Amerika
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    Brian? wrote: »
    You think running a company for profit is the equivelant of running a state? That's insanity. A company has one goal: generate profit for the share holders.

    How does running a company to generate profit equate to running a state for the well being of the citizens of said state? Now I know GOP governors haven't been doing a great job of this, but at least that's what they maintain their motivation is.
    Sure. The stockholders of a company are the equivalent to "the people" in government.


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  • #1981
    Amerika
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    Overheal wrote: »
    What do you assume lobbying is?
    It is quite different from people who are both the employee of, and the boss of, the person in government for which they put into office and bargain with.


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