Protestors yay or no

Shakespeare's Sister

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

They are pretty docile. Preferring to sit in the pub or in front of the TV bitching. What they do not quite link is how their politicians and public service is a perfect reflection of those whining about them.

But you were saying negative stuff about "them" not being docile and going out protesting - which is it?

SaveOurLyric

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

But you were saying negative stuff about "them" not being docile and going out protesting - which is it?

The point is they (other than an irrelevant inconsequentially minute cohort of nutters) dont protest. They know there is no point, know they are already on a good thing, but still like to whine about how bad they have it.

Phoebas

Essien wrote: »

There are approximately 200 'down with everything' groups on Facebook.

Each one has the same 1000 or so followers.

It's basic maths tbh.

Its the same 1000 followers that follow them all.

mikemac1

Only group who come up with clever stunts and guarantee media coverage for their protests are the farmers

There's no protest like a farmers protest :cool:

crannglas

mikemac1 wrote: »

Only group who come up with clever stunts and guarantee media coverage for their protests are the farmers

There's no protest like a farmers protest :cool:

Honest to god and the older generation who were protesting back against the last attempt to bring in water charges. Do you remember that? Scared the kickers off government. Why is it so different now
Old quote. When government fear the people there is democracy,when people fear the government there is tyranny
Which one do you believe is happening in Ireland.

Egginacup

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

The vast majority of protests in Ireland tend to attract the same shower of crusties, tattooed Republicans, economically illiterate socialists, and troublemakers. The majority of people don't want to associate with those sorts.

The rest of us just grumble.

Wasn't it the usual filthy underlings who marched and demanded equality for women, f@ggots, n!ggers, kn@ckers, ta!gs, peasant farmers, et al, et al?

But thanks for your ivory tower.

If your kid had to be sent off to a war or some crap you'd take to the march then. Someone else's? probably not.

Did it ever occur to you that these "crusties, hippies and otherwise deluded dreamers" might actually want what's best for you as much as you want what's worst for them?

I don't hear too much about the protesters in Hong Kong on fora like this. People sneered at the Occupy movement because they were "protesting" corporations and their cling on everything. People scoffed at them protesting against the very corporations who produced their palm-held devices. I don't hear the same derogatory dismissals about the HK protesters who are actually better dressed, and seem better equipped with their designer umbrellas.

So.....

When is a protester to be commended and when to be laughed at?

Is Joanna Lumley a piece of sh!t for campaigning, and indeed joining protests to have Gurkhas allowed British citizenship? Go say it to her face.
I suppose it all boils down to what's being protested and the class of people who are doing the complaining.

Complain, then march, then fight against unfair taxes, colonial intransigence and unequal status in Massachusetts in 1776 and you are not a filthy, peasant but a patriotic pathfinder.

Do the same, and for the same reasons in Ireland at the same time and you are a disgusting troll who should be beheaded.

Protest in one country and get hosed off the streets and you are a martyr (Iran, China, South Africa)
Do it in another country and you should be jailed for the rest of your life (Myanmar, America).

Funny business, this "right" to complain.

Gatling

Somebodys got another dose

Blood1

Regardless of what people do the water charges are here to stay, if you dont get a meter in you will get an estimated bill, people would need to come out in their hundreds ever day to stop this, and people are not going to do this.

131spanner

crannglas wrote: »

So why the hatred of protestors who are standing up for your rights to.

Because a large number of them are árseholes who'll shout for X this week and Y next week, not majorly interested in the topic but more so in making a scene.

crannglas

Blood1 wrote: »

Regardless of what people do the water charges are here to stay, if you dont get a meter in you will get an estimated bill, people would need to come out in their hundreds ever day to stop this, and people are not going to do this.

If you look at not to distant past,they already tried this joke of a nothing more Mafia style (criminal) control of water. It all started as pockets of people in their areas blocking meters going in. Then it moved to 180 thousand marching on the dail. That does not include the marches they had in other counties. People are already refusing to send back their packages with their details. People I know who never went to a protest in lives are going along with future generations from schools. Young and old seem always to be the ones who stand up for their rights. And get heard. The gengenerations majority in middle seem to be very lethargic and acceptant. But what I am hearing in work as I work with public different people every day. They are chomping at bit for this march next Saturday. Bound to get trouble makers in the mix. But hopefully country won't be moaning saying how we are a nuisance then moaning about how they don't agree and shouldn't be paying twice for their water.

AnonoBoy

YAY or NAY.
YES or NO.

And never the twain shall meet.



:mad:



But to answer your question - it depends what the protest is about doesn't it?

NegativeCreep

I die a little inside every time I hear someone say "no consent, no contract".

crannglas

AnonoBoy wrote: »

YAY or NAY.
YES or NO.

And never the twain shall meet.



:mad:



But to answer your question - it depends what the protest is about doesn't it?

Ha ha
Apologies always love to be awkward,I will refrain in the future Do you think so? I mean there is a hundred and one different reasons why a person or group of people may protest. Maybe if gang of pedos protesting their rights to be who they are and right to carry out such an act . But things like property tax,water charges, workers rights etc.. everyone has right to protest and given support to do so. Don't you think?

AnonoBoy

crannglas wrote: »

Ha ha
Apologies always love to be awkward,I will refrain in the future Do you think so? I mean there is a hundred and one different reasons why a person or group of people may protest. Maybe if gang of pedos protesting their rights to be who they are and right to carry out such an act . But things like property tax,water charges, workers rights etc.. everyone has right to protest and given support to do so. Don't you think?

People have a right to protest peacefully. But that doesn't mean I have to support them.

crannglas

AnonoBoy wrote: »

People have a right to protest peacefully. But that doesn't mean I have to support them.

You obviously support their right to protest then don't you. Peacefully is not always going to happen is it. As I said always going to be trouble makers in fold.

alias no.9

crannglas wrote: »

Ha ha
Apologies always love to be awkward,I will refrain in the future Do you think so? I mean there is a hundred and one different reasons why a person or group of people may protest. Maybe if gang of pedos protesting their rights to be who they are and right to carry out such an act . But things like property tax,water charges, workers rights etc.. everyone has right to protest and given support to do so. Don't you think?

If there was a counter protest by the water conservation crusaders who believe that nobody should flush their toilet with water that had been treated for human consumption, would you support them just because they were protesting? What about a protest demanding the immediate reinstatement of the act of union and submission to the Crown?

crannglas

alias no.9 wrote: »

If there was a counter protest by the water conservation crusaders who believe that nobody should flush their toilet with water that had been treated for human consumption, would you support them just because they were protesting? What about a protest demanding the immediate reinstatement of the act of union and submission to the Crown?

like I said everyone had a right to protest.

alias no.9

crannglas wrote: »

like I said everyone had a right to protest.

Not what I asked, do you support their protests?

crannglas

alias no.9 wrote: »

Not what I asked, do you support their protests?

Yes, its their right to protest.

solomafioso

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

alias no.9

crannglas wrote: »

Yes, its their right to protest.

So you'll get stuck in and join the protest?

Fukuyama

crannglas wrote: »

You obviously support their right to protest then don't you. Peacefully is not always going to happen is it. As I said always going to be trouble makers in fold.

It's up to organizers and those vocal on the Internet to publicly denounce the agitators and trouble makers. With IW, it seem the agitators and trouble makers have a primary role in organizing protests.

crannglas

alias no.9 wrote: »

So you'll get stuck in and join the protest?

Not protesting for my rights are they? However in matter if water charges and the bail outs etc.. they are for national right of Irish people. Nice try epic fail.

astrofool

Protesting is what people too scared or indoctrinated into the system do, they don't give a sh*te about protestors, you have the right to protest because you're granted that right by the state.

If they ever went too far, it'd be fighting for me , probably as some sort of underground resistance at first, I'd steal all the guns and food from the preppers by befriending them, and proceed from there.

That said, there's not much to give out about right now, unless you want a free ride in life.

crannglas

Dean0088 wrote: »

It's up to organizers and those vocal on the Internet to publicly denounce the agitators and trouble makers. With IW, it seem the agitators and trouble makers have a primary role in organizing protests.

You would be completely wrong there. They are not. They do denounce it and have done previously. Only last week one of their speakers said any trouble maker s are not welcome on the radio. And majority of protests in Ireland are peaceful.
Great assumption on your part and exactly the stereo type government want protestors to have so people like yourself won't take part.

Iwasfrozen

crannglas wrote: »

like I said everyone had a right to protest.

They do. But if a minority go too far they should be arrested.

MajorMax

Protest for a true cause? Absolutely, I'll meet you on the barricades

Protest over an attempt to safeguard and husband a finite resource? Get away from me, you crusty and pay your fair share

alias no.9

crannglas wrote: »

Not protesting for my rights are they? However in matter if water charges and the bail outs etc.. they are for national right of Irish people. Nice try epic fail.

Of course they are, your life will be much better as a British subject who harvests rainwater to flush the toilet, you just can't see it yourself.

Zen65

crannglas wrote: »

Didn't the EU and Irish government bully harass,intimidate,threaten us.

No, they did not.

Fukuyama

crannglas wrote: »

You would be completely wrong there. They are not. They do denounce it and have done previously. Only last week one of their speakers said any trouble maker s are not welcome on the radio. And majority of protests in Ireland are peaceful.
Great assumption on your part and exactly the stereo type government want protestors to have so people like yourself won't take part.

Well, every comment I've seen online (be it on Facebook, twitter, YouTube, Boards etc...), often posted by these groups' official accounts, either claim there were no trouble makers when there obviously was, blame the gardaí or simply don't mention it.

Maybe I exist in some media black hole but I've only come across a deliberate ratcheting up of tensions.

My decision not to partake isn't as a result of gulping down government spin. I have read a lot on the issue, listened to arguments from both sides and made my choice.

I'm open to change on the issue but until I hear something other than "Raawr!! No water charrrges!", I don't think my mind will be changed.

From a neutral standpoint, most people don't get involved in protests in Ireland because of a few idiots that ruin marches. When I was a student, the USI failed to condemn troublemakers at the 2010 march or address the issue the following year. Attendance numbers plummeted not because students fancied paying an extra 2k the following year, but because (from my experience) everyone know it'd just be hijacked again.

MajorMax

alias no.9 wrote: »

Of course they are, your life will be much better as a British subject who harvests rainwater to flush the toilet, you just can't see it yourself.

British subject??? Jaysus they kept that quiet. Looks like there's more to water charges than I thought!!!

Son Of A Vidic

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The level of thought and coherency of the OP is similar to most recent economic protests in the country.

I assumed it was written by a disgruntled Cabinet member.

crannglas

Zen65 wrote: »

No, they did not.

Yes they did and continue to do so through Irish traitors. Bury your head. Or is that you enda?

crannglas

Zen65 wrote: »

No, they did not.

Yes they did and continue to do so through Irish traitors. Bury your head. Or is that you enda?

Timberrrrrrrr

crannglas wrote: »

Didn't the EU and Irish government bully harass,intimidate,threaten us.

How? I have never felt harrassed or bullied by anyone and certainly never intimidated

And now use garda and prison to make people pay?

Who has ben sent to prison?

Its happened before it will happen again. 200 thousand or more will march to the dail. Will you be one of them?

You keep saying this, do you have evidence that 200,000 will turn up or are you just guessing?

crannglas wrote: »

Yes they did and continue to do so through Irish traitors. Bury your head. Or is that you enda?

Who are these traitors you speak of?