Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Don't bother. It's gone too devisive at this stage.

Some people's genuine opinion is that it would be better if he had never come to Arsenal. Leave them to it.

Don't throw your toys out of the pram Gosplan.
Nobody said that.
I asked why he changed from having a strong defence with leaders to the kind of defending we saw last season and again this season.

If you can't answer then don't try to muddy the waters.

efb

So people want their cake and eat it.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

So people want their cake and eat it.

????

efb

I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.

????

Jaafa

Why are people not talking about the draw? Come on lads. ITS HULL. AGAIN. I've a bad feeling about it tbh.

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

Don't throw your toys out of the pram Gosplan.
Nobody said that.
I asked why he changed from having a strong defence with leaders to the kind of defending we saw last season and again this season.

If you can't answer then don't try to muddy the waters.

It seemed to me ... and everyone else that read it tbh ... that you were saying we had the good old 1-0 to the Arsenal days till Wenger changed everything.

That to most people is drawing a pre/post Wenger line.

If that's not what you meant then fine but reread it, I'm not the only one who took that meaning.

BTW, you didn't ask. You said he changed everything for the worse, has no nous or tactics.

extra gravy

Carragher on Mert's "defending" against Stoke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWqX4dgNn0

Mickeroo

Maybe it was just bad wording on your part tayto but it really did read like you were saying the club went downhill as soon as Wenger took over.

bad2dabone

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd say gosplan is referring to the "changed things for the worse" remark which is one of the craziest pieces of hyperbole I've ever read on here.

Absolutely. When I read that line i was astonished that someone said wenger changed arsenal for the worse.

Completely wrong. Completely.

The club and English football are forever improved by wenger.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

It seemed to me ... and everyone else that read it tbh ... that you were saying we had the good old 1-0 to the Arsenal days till Wenger changed everything.

That to most people is drawing a pre/post Wenger line.

If that's not what you meant then fine but reread it, I'm not the only one who took that meaning.

BTW, you didn't ask. You said he changed everything for the worse, has no nous or tactics.

Wenger was there when we had loads of one nils as you well know and everyone else knows :rolleyes: He even brought Keown back from Everton.
He was there when our players fough tooth and nail with teams like United. Remember Keown and Van Nistlerooy at OT? Wenger was in charge then.

So why did he change from big strong defenders to weak timid ones?

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.

Personal issues is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>

tayto lover

Mickeroo wrote: »

Maybe it was just bad wording on your part tayto but it really did read like you were saying the club went downhill as soon as Wenger took over.

Now why would I choose to ignore 3 titles?
Of course I was talking about the changes in our defence now compared with then. We have lost our famous Arsenal battling qualities.
BUT it suited a lot of apologists to try and take the other meaning.
AND there was nothing wrong with the wording.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

What do you think Sol Campbell was? Vieira? Sure, you can criticise what happened afterwards, but he has bought leaders.

Where were they on Sat last?

wonga77

jeez lads ye are making a mountain out of a molehill. Ye know full well what Tayto was saying.

Wenger changed things for the worse when he stopped buying/nurturing leaders and players who were strong physically and mentally. He replaced them with too many weak players. Players who are physically weak and lack the mental strength that we used to have, Gilberto, Lauren, Keown, Viera that list is huge. Apart from Kos and possibly Arteta, Flamini and Jack we are a bunch of softies who dont react well to being roughed up. Nothing whatsoever about changing the club for the worse when he arrived.
Why did he change his approach is the real question?

symbolic

tayto lover wrote: »

So why did he change from big strong defenders to weak timid ones?

I might be getting lost here. Is your answer to this question - he is tactically clueless?

Or why do you think he changed it?

Mickeroo

wonga77 wrote: »

jeez lads ye are making a mountain out of a molehill. Ye know full well what Tayto was saying.

Wenger changed things for the worse when he stopped buying/nurturing leaders and players who were strong physically and mentally. He replaced them with too many weak players. Players who are physically weak and lack the mental strength that we used to have, Gilberto, Lauren, Keown, Viera that list is huge. Apart from Kos and possibly Arteta, Flamini and Jack we are a bunch of softies who dont react well to being roughed up. Nothing whatsoever about changing the club for the worse when he arrived.
Why did he change his approach is the real question?

I agree, I was responding to what tayto wrote though, not what he wanted to write

Soups123

Wenger has really had two phases at Arsenal the successful years and what we've seen the past 7/8 years.

I imagine it's the change in that time Tayto is referring too. And he would be right he changed tact with regards tactics, type of player signed and mentality, this change is now very hard for him to reverse

wonga77

efb wrote: »

I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.

Not sure that Marilyn Monroe is of much use here but I get your point

tayto lover

symbolic wrote: »

I might be getting lost here. Is your answer to this question - he is tactically clueless?

Or why do you think he changed it?

I'm asking that question.
AND I believe he is tactically weak. Whatever he had he seems to have lost or chosen to change to current tactics which clearly are not working for the last few years.

tayto lover

Mickeroo wrote: »

I agree, I was responding to what tayto wrote though, not what he wanted to write

What I wrote was clear enough. Some lads just used it to deflect

symbolic

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm asking that question.
AND I believe he is tactically weak. Whatever he had he seems to have lost or chosen to change to current tactics which clearly are not working for the last few years.

I guess everyone would need to agree that he has changed "from big strong defenders to weak timid ones" in order to pinpoint why he did in fact make this decision. Mert and Kos wouldn't really look weak and timid would they?

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

Personal issues is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are such the wit

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

Now why would I choose to ignore 3 titles?
Of course I was talking about the changes in our defence now compared with then. We have lost our famous Arsenal battling qualities.
BUT it suited a lot of apologists to try and take the other meaning.
AND there was nothing wrong with the wording.

Whatever.

Show a little respect to the rest of us ffs.

We ALL took the other meaning from your post.

Yeah, cause we're apologists.

tayto lover

symbolic wrote: »

I guess everyone would need to agree that he has changed "from big strong defenders to weak timid ones" in order to pinpoint why he did in fact make this decision. Mert and Kos wouldn't really look weak and timid would they?

Mert is very timid as we have seen loads of times. Kos is very good but not a leader.
Neither shout out the orders.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Whatever.

Show a little respect to the rest of us ffs.

We ALL took the other meaning from your post.

Yeah, cause we're apologists.

No "we all" didn't. You chose to print that. I (not all ) speak for myself.

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Mert is very timid as we have seen loads of times. Kos is very good but not a leader.
Neither shout out the orders.

I think Kos would make a good leader. He tells Mert what to do and Mert is lost without him

efb

We are showing as much togetherness and harmony as the arsenal team

wonga77

symbolic wrote: »

I guess everyone would need to agree that he has changed "from big strong defenders to weak timid ones" in order to pinpoint why he did in fact make this decision. Mert and Kos wouldn't really look weak and timid would they?

Mert for such a huge guy is far from intimidating on the field

wonga77

anyways, im kind of sick of reading and talking about Wenger. Its a pity but theres not much else to talk about at the moment. Everything seems to revert back to him which is fair enough. Im actually looking forward to the transfer window just so we can all get our hopes up a little and we might be able to read some other stories about the club for a change.

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

No "we all" didn't. You chose to print that. I (not all ) speak for myself.

Sorry. Just three of us.

But of course we were 'deflecting' from a question you hadn't asked.

Tbh Tayto, I do respect your opinion but I think you just want a row.

bad2dabone

efb wrote: »

We are showing as much togetherness and harmony as the arsenal team

The beatings will continue until morale improves ðŸ˜႒

efb

bad2dabone wrote: »

The beatings will continue until morale improves ðŸ˜႒

We had won the last 3!

We won't beat Galatasaray but it doesn't matter

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Sorry. Just three of us.

But of course we were 'deflecting' from a question you hadn't asked.

Tbh Tayto, I do respect your opinion but I think you just want a row.

No row wanted at all.
Just honest opinions to honest questions as always.

gosplan

efb wrote: »

We had won the last 3!

We won't beat Galatasaray but it doesn't matter

And 2 of them were 1-0 to the arsenal. Where's the problem?

wonga77

efb wrote: »

We had won the last 3!

We won't beat Galatasaray but it doesn't matter

We still have a good team going out against Gala, id be confident of getting a result. Hopefully the likes of Campbell and Pod will want to prove a point.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

And 2 of them were 1-0 to the arsenal. Where's the problem?

What was the cause of us going 3 down to a poor team on Sat?
Just watching a poor United team battling to an undeserved victory now and it hurts to see their fighting quality.

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

No row wanted at all.
Just honest opinions to honest questions as always.

Fair enough.

Try to keep from explaining how 'apologists' are thinking and how we're 'deflecting'.

We can keep this thread better than that.

Genuinely, your OP read the other way.

efb

wonga77 wrote: »

We still have a good team going out against Gala, id be confident of getting a result. Hopefully the likes of Campbell and Pod will want to prove a point.

If PoD scores I'll eat my hat

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

What was the cause of us going 3 down to a poor team on Sat?
Just watching a poor United team battling to an undeserved victory now and it hurts to see their fighting quality.

It's mainly RVP- and we beat Soton, they are on a slide

wonga77

efb wrote: »

If PoD scores I'll eat my hat

You know he's gonna score now right :pac:

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Fair enough.

Try to keep from explaining how 'apologists' are thinking and how we're 'deflecting'.

We can keep this thread better than that.

Genuinely, your OP read the other way.

OK as long as you don't claim to speak for "all" the other posters.
My Op read the way it was intended and I still don't see it reading "the other way".

"Arsenal were always known for their defensive qualities as in "one nil to the Arsenal". That was until Wenger changed everything for the worse. You can still be very tight in the defence and good in the attack too. It's not one or the other, you can have both. Wenger just lack nous and puts up with poor performances."

bad2dabone

efb wrote: »

If PoD scores I'll eat my hat

I'll pass the salt.

We'll click as a team this season, I'm sure of that. But we need something different next year, a new manager or a real leader on the field.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

It's mainly RVP- and we beat Soton, they are on a slide

We were better than them too but lost.

efb

wonga77 wrote: »

You know he's gonna score now right :pac:

Nope

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

We were better than them too but lost.

They have a super goalie

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

OK as long as you don't claim to speak for "all" the other posters.
My Op read the way it was intended and I still don't see it reading "the other way".

"Arsenal were always known for their defensive qualities as in "one nil to the Arsenal". That was until Wenger changed everything for the worse. You can still be very tight in the defence and good in the attack too. It's not one or the other, you can have both. Wenger just lack nous and puts up with poor performances."

I don't read it as any praise for Wenger

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

They have a super goalie

They have fighting qualities.

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

They have fighting qualities.

Not Mata

wonga77

efb wrote: »

I don't read it as any praise for Wenger

Put the rod away