Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

Only since July and the year returns wont be don't til April


Blogger Podolski and his sore groin cost too much

I doesn't matter when it happened. At present we spend more per week on playing personnel than Chelsea. You can't be pedantic about Chelsea being second and then choose to ignore current facts because it suits your bullshít Wengerite views.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

Sure. Where did he lose it???

Jose hasn't won the European Cup for Chelsea

I don't know where he lost it but he lost it for sure. Not worried about Jose either except for the fact that addresses problems unlike Arsene.

I'm not worried about the European Cup as I have said many times, it's the EPL that counts for me. Couldn't give a toss about the CL as we go out at the same stage nearly every year because we're not strong enough every year.

gosplan

keano_afc wrote: »

It doesn't really matter what personnel we have out, we are painfully easy to predict and score against. It's been that way for years, and the only unifying thing is the manager. Comments like the one earlier in the thread "we lose so here come the Wenger out brigade" are so f*cking annoying. Most of those in here calling for him to step aside (me included) have been doing so for a long time. A couple of wins against the likes of QPR and West Ham won't change my opinion when days like today happen so often.

We are going nowhere with Wenger. Injuries are a lame excuse, we ALWAYS have injuries. Not having an adequate squad to cover that is inexcusable and sadly a consistent facet of this manager. Mertesacker has been stinking this season but we can't try anything else because there's no alternative. I'm sick of it. Sick of deja vu seasons. Sick of promise in the summer only to be let down by a stubborn manager who fails to address glaring inefficiencies in his team. Sick of teams scoring against us with their first half hearted attempt on goal. Sick if the poxy schoolboy stuff that infects our squad. Sick of facing the likes of rubbish United teams knowing that we're not going to win.

This season is horrific and I just wish it would end now. There's literally nothing to look forward to. CL? Couldn't give a toss. As soon as we face a tactically sound coach we'll lose. FA Cup? Meh. Papers over the cracks like it did last season.

Its pessimistic I know but at this stage this team gives me no enjoyment anymore.

Injuries are the exact excuse.

You can't say 'we need more players' but 'injures aren't an excuse'.

I have no doubt that if we had signed more players they'd just be injured too.

I'm not absolving Wenger or the club of this. Just saying you can't judge anything while you've 5 of your first 6 midfielders out. Coq is not supposed to play for us - he's not good enough. 19 year old defenders are not supposed to play their first game at DMF in a tricky yet vital away game.

You can't judge anything from that other than we're in a state of permanent crisis.

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

I doesn't matter when it happened. At present we spend more per week on playing personnel than Chelsea. You can't be pedantic about Chelsea being second and then choose to ignore current facts because it suits your bullshít Wengerite views.

It's assumed we spend more, can't be clarified till the returns are done. Unless you just believe tabloid headlines

efb

efb wrote: »

It's assumed we spend more, can't be clarified till the returns are done. Unless you just believe tabloid headlines

Yet you'll accept "They have more resources than us" without question?

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

Injuries are the exact excuse.

You can't say 'we need more players' but 'injures aren't an excuse'.

I have no doubt that if we had signed more players they'd just be injured too.

I'm not absolving Wenger or the club of this. Just saying you can't judge anything while you've 5 of your first 6 midfielders out. Coq is not supposed to play for us - he's not good enough. 19 year old defenders are not supposed to play their first game at DMF in a tricky yet vital away game.

You can't judge anything from that other than we're in a state of permanent crisis.

You can judge what we had on the field by their lack of determination and effort though.
And you can also judge the manager by the lack of motivation shown by the team.

efb

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet you'll accept "They have more resources than us" without question?

The UEFA fair play rules show as much - and the clubs annual returns

gandalf

gosplan wrote: »

I'm not absolving Wenger or the club of this. Just saying you can't judge anything while you've 5 of your first 6 midfielders out. Coq is not supposed to play for us - he's not good enough. 19 year old defenders are not supposed to play their first game at DMF in a tricky yet vital away game.

You can't judge anything from that other than we're in a state of permanent crisis.

You see you can blame Wenger for this. As stated before we have had a serious deficiency at DMF for 5 seasons. It was obvious before the season started that we were extremely light with our CB's especially after TvM was sold. Any decent tactical manager would have addressed these deficiencies, Wenger didn't and now we are reaping the rewards by using players who are either sub-standard or burning out youngsters who aren't ready for this amount of pressure to be heaped onto them. Even Chambers who showed real promise at the start of the season is looking spent these days now.

efb

efb wrote: »

The UEFA fair play rules show as much - and the clubs annual returns

A few years ago.

emergingstar

After a defeat Ya have the same few posters with there digs at other posters for not having the same opinion as them

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't know where he lost it but he lost it for sure. Not worried about Jose either except for the fact that addresses problems unlike Arsene.

I'm not worried about the European Cup as I have said many times, it's the EPL that counts for me. Couldn't give a toss about the CL as we go out at the same stage nearly every year because we're not strong enough every year.

Why doesn't Arsenal take on board your views. Re UCL and BPL???

efb

Deleted User wrote: »

A few years ago.

Even last year

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

Why doesn't Arsenal take on board your views. Re UCL and BPL???

Because they make profit with the current set up. They can make more by finishing 4th on the EPL and last 16 in the CL than they would do by investing in the team and going for the win.

extra gravy

Let's face it, that Spurs team are fairly average yet they trounced a better team than them through a combination of hard work and taking their chances. And they didn't blow it when getting in front. Why can't we ever do that against a top team?

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

Because they make profit with the current set up. They can make more by finishing 4th on the EPL and last 16 in the CL than they would do by investing in the team and going for the win.

How much is required and the probability of it coming off?
Do we have the financial resources to do it? Consistently?

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

How much is required and the probability of it coming off?
Do we have the financial resources to do it? Consistently?

I'm sure we still have that famous 70 million we had for years :pac:

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

How much is required and the probability of it coming off?
Do we have the financial resources to do it? Consistently?

It's a risk, and the board are happy collecting cheques and making profits, so they don't feel the need to take that risk. Funnily enough a 5th place finish or worse might force their hand.

gosplan

gandalf wrote: »

You see you can blame Wenger for this. As stated before we have had a serious deficiency at DMF for 5 seasons. It was obvious before the season started that we were extremely light with our CB's especially after TvM was sold. Any decent tactical manager would have addressed these deficiencies, Wenger didn't and now we are reaping the rewards by using players who are either sub-standard or burning out youngsters who aren't ready for this amount of pressure to be heaped onto them. Even Chambers who showed real promise at the start of the season is looking spent these days now.

There are still squad limits.

IMO Wenger should have bought, without a doubt.

But I also have no doubt that right now Khedira would be injured instead of Flamini or something like that if you get me.

Yes he should sign better players, I don't disagree.

But we have so few players that can go a run of matches WITHOUT getting injured.

gandalf

tayto lover wrote: »

I don't know where he lost it but he lost it for sure. Not worried about Jose either except for the fact that addresses problems unlike Arsene.

I'm not worried about the European Cup as I have said many times, it's the EPL that counts for me. Couldn't give a toss about the CL as we go out at the same stage nearly every year because we're not strong enough every year.

Actually I would love us to win the CL just to get that monkey off our backs as well. However in reality the league should be where we as a team are always concentrating our efforts. If you get the consistency to challenge and win the Premier League then the other trophies will follow.

I desperately want the other top teams to fear playing us again instead of rubbing their hands together in glee expecting us to roll over again like a subservient puppy when we face them as we seem to do over the last few seasons.

Alfred Borden

gosplan wrote: »

There are still squad limits.

IMO Wenger should have bought, without a doubt.

But I also have no doubt that right now Khedira would be injured instead of Flamini or something like that if you get me.

Yes he should sign better players, I don't disagree.

But we have so few players that can go a run of matches WITHOUT getting injured.

But the injuries have been going on for years now and the only common denominator is Arsene. His training methods are outdated according to many and he does himself no favours with the profile of players he picks up. Small technical players will always injure more regularly than top physical athletes like Chelsea have. He is also guilty of overplaying players like last season where he broke Ozil and Ramsey over the xmas period. Its the managers fault.

keano_afc

gosplan wrote: »

Injuries are the exact excuse.

You can't say 'we need more players' but 'injures aren't an excuse'.

I have no doubt that if we had signed more players they'd just be injured too.

I'm not absolving Wenger or the club of this. Just saying you can't judge anything while you've 5 of your first 6 midfielders out. Coq is not supposed to play for us - he's not good enough. 19 year old defenders are not supposed to play their first game at DMF in a tricky yet vital away game.

You can't judge anything from that other than we're in a state of permanent crisis.

Chambers is only playing there because the manager refuses to strengthen that position and has neglected it for years. You reap what you sow gosplan. He's entirely to blame for that. Also, saying buying a DMF was pointless because he'd only be injured anyway is the most strawman of arguments.

gandalf

gosplan wrote: »

There are still squad limits.

IMO Wenger should have bought, without a doubt.

But I also have no doubt that right now Khedira would be injured instead of Flamini or something like that if you get me.

Yes he should sign better players, I don't disagree.

But we have so few players that can go a run of matches WITHOUT getting injured.

It is only part of the solution.

Even though they brought someone in to try and solve the injury issue it seems to be worse than ever? There obviously is a deficiency somewhere that hasn't been sorted yet, Is it training methods?

Motivation is an extremely worrying factor as well. Watching the second half of the match today I didn't see a motivated performance from our team at all. FFS we were 2-0 down? Only Sanchez and Gibbs seemed to be trying. Sanchez looks burnt out and Gibbs is well Gibbs so they alone weren't our saviours. The others playing were just doing the minimum. Anytime we come up against motivated, well organised and tactically aware opposition we seem to fold. This is a managerial problem.

BTW Khedira would be injured at this stage if we had of signed him but tbh he wasn't the answer. A top class CB should have been first on the shopping list in August.

efb

Raf32 wrote: »

But the injuries have been going on for years now and the only common denominator is Arsene. His training methods are outdated according to many and he does himself no favours with the profile of players he picks up. Small technical players will always injure more regularly than top physical athletes like Chelsea have. He is also guilty of overplaying players like last season where he broke Ozil and Ramsey over the xmas period. Its the managers fault.

The ONLY common denominator???

gosplan

Raf32 wrote: »

But the injuries have been going on for years now and the only common denominator is Arsene. His training methods are outdated according to many and he does himself no favours with the profile of players he picks up. Small technical players will always injure more regularly than top physical athletes like Chelsea have. He is also guilty of overplaying players like last season where he broke Ozil and Ramsey over the xmas period. Its the managers fault.

If you think that sacking Wenger will make that go away overnight that's one thing.

If it's the physicality of the players, then we need to sack the boss and buy a new team.

How are Hazard, Oscar and Fab not injured though?

That kind of throws the 'small technical player' idea out the window.

So it's the training methods.

But I refuse to believe that a man like Wenger would be doing something so obviously wrong and injuring all his players constantly against all the rcommendations of the medical staff.

This is not me saying Wenger isn't responsible.

This is basically me saying that until the injury problem is sorted, there is no point in taking apart tactics or performances or work rate or desire or substitutions.

When we are shorn of 10 players who would have started today if they had been fully available...

Arteta, Flamini, Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil, Pod, Giroud, Welbeck, Sanogo, Walcott

Just to put that in perspective that's

All our DMF's
All our CMF's(except maybe Ox who's played a couple of games there recently)
All our CF's

Anyway, when we are shorn of those players, we are a mid table team. And if you did likewise to City, Chelsea or Utd, you'd get the same results.

This is the only issue at Arsenal football club right now.

If sacking Wenger will make the injuries go away, he goes in the morning. You'd need to be sure though.

efb

keano_afc wrote: »

Chambers is only playing there because the manager refuses to strengthen that position and has neglected it for years. You reap what you sow gosplan. He's entirely to blame for that. Also, saying buying a DMF was pointless because he'd only be injured anyway is the most strawman of arguments.

Refused? How do you know he hadn't been trying to sign aomeone?

How would you attract the top players to Arsenal?

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

Refused? How do you know he hadn't been trying to sign aomeone?

How would you attract the top players to Arsenal?

Well if he has been trying and failing for 5+ years then he really needs to step back. Personally I think Wenger should be giving a list of players he wants to another member of staff, and have nothing else to do with the negotiations. He is a penny pincher, and this has been shown in the past to be the stumbling block in many an important transfer.

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

Well if he has been trying and failing for 5+ years then he really needs to step back. Personally I think Wenger should be giving a list of players he wants to another member of staff, and have nothing else to do with the negotiations. He is a penny pincher, and this has been shown in the past to be the stumbling block in many an important transfer.

It's not quite as simple as that. Was Özil and Sanchez penny pinching? Podolski?

efb

Wenger is the biggest attraction for players signing for Arsenal atm imho

crazy_kenny

I think we should sign Ryan Shawcross in the morning. Add a bit of steel to the defence.

gosplan

keano_afc wrote: »

Chambers is only playing there because the manager refuses to strengthen that position and has neglected it for years. You reap what you sow gosplan. He's entirely to blame for that. Also, saying buying a DMF was pointless because he'd only be injured anyway is the most strawman of arguments.

That's not what I'm saying tbh.

Obviously better players make you better but getting our players playing full seasons is more important that that.

efb

crazy_kenny wrote: »

I think we should sign Ryan Shawcross in the morning. Add a bit of steel to the defence.

I'd rather not

extra gravy

crazy_kenny wrote: »

I think we should sign Ryan Shawcross in the morning. Add a bit of steel to the defence.

Ya great idea...him and Ramsey can be room-mates on away trips.

keano_afc

efb wrote: »

Refused? How do you know he hadn't been trying to sign aomeone?

How would you attract the top players to Arsenal?

Because even poor managers are able to strengthen their teams when the want to. There's no evidence he's been actively seeking a DMF

emergingstar

crazy_kenny wrote: »

I think we should sign Ryan Shawcross in the morning. Add a bit of steel to the defence.

Get out and never come back

efb

keano_afc wrote: »

Because even poor managers are able to strengthen their teams when the want to. There's no evidence he's been actively seeking a DMF

Are you saying Wenger is a poor manager?

crazy_kenny

emergingstar wrote: »

Get out and never come back

A Ryan Shawcross type player is whats needed at the club. Wears his heart on his sleeve and a no nonsense defender (ask Rambo). There are too many pretty footballers at the club and not enough hard tackling physical players with leadership qualities.

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

It's not quite as simple as that. Was Özil and Sanchez penny pinching? Podolski?

It started to be obvious when we didn't sign Alonso over £2M in difference of valuation. That £2M cost us at least one league in my opinion. That was when it became obvious and it's been getting more and more obvious ever since.

tayto lover

crazy_kenny wrote: »

A Ryan Shawcross type player is whats needed at the club. Wears his heart on his sleeve and a no nonsense defender (ask Rambo). There are too many pretty footballers at the club and not enough hard tackling physical players with leadership qualities.

Certainly the type of player we need but not him.

yipeeeee

crazy_kenny wrote: »

A Ryan Shawcross type player is whats needed at the club. Wears his heart on his sleeve and a no nonsense defender (ask Rambo). There are too many pretty footballers at the club and not enough hard tackling physical players with leadership qualities.

Disgusting post.

keano_afc

efb wrote: »

Are you saying Wenger is a poor manager?

He's not the force he was. And when it comes to replacing players and sorting glaring holes in his squad, yes. He is poor at that.

extra gravy

crazy_kenny wrote: »

There are too many pretty footballers at the club and not enough hard tackling physical players with leadership qualities.

He's not a hard tackling physical player, he's a scumbag who regularly makes dangerous and career threatening challenges. Wouldn't want anyone like him near the club.

gosplan

keano_afc wrote: »

He's not the force he was. And when it comes to replacing players and sorting glaring holes in his squad, yes. He is poor at that.

When it comes to being pragmatic and going against a principle or two for the sake of the greater good of the team ...

... that's what he sucks at.

crazy_kenny

extra gravy wrote: »

He's not a hard tackling physical player, he's a scumbag who regularly makes dangerous and career threatening challenges. Wouldn't want anyone like him near the club.

Soccer is a physical sport. No player goes out to injure an opponent.

Quazzie

crazy_kenny wrote: »

Soccer is a physical sport. No player goes out to injure an opponent.

Making a statement like that, it appears you have never watched or played soccer before in your life.

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

It started to be obvious when we didn't sign Alonso over £2M in difference of valuation. That £2M cost us at least one league in my opinion. That was when it became obvious and it's been getting more and more obvious ever since.

And he fed would have signed?

crazy_kenny

Quazzie wrote: »

Making a statement like that, it appears you have never watched or played soccer before in your life.

So what are you saying players go out to injure eachother

efb

crazy_kenny wrote: »

So what are you saying players go out to injure eachother

Some do

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

And he fed would have signed?

crazy_kenny wrote: »

So what are you saying players go out to injure eachother

A lot. "rough them up" "take him outta the game" "make sure he doesn't make the second half" These are all statements I've heard playing Sunday league, and it's obvious it happens in the top leagues too.

crazy_kenny

efb wrote: »

Some do

you obviously have never played sport in you life

crazy_kenny

Quazzie wrote: »

A lot. "rough them up" "take him outta the game" "make sure he doesn't make the second half" These are all statements I've heard playing Sunday league, and it's obvious it happens in the top leagues too.

Must be a rough league you play in.