Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

efb

We were 4th before yesterday, doing v well in our group in UCL

efb

Do we want a Spurs wheel of managers merry-go-round situation? If not, why would arsenal be different?

Soups123

efb wrote: »

Ask Henry Bergkamp Pires Viera Ljunberg- they will tell you what they think of him

Ask them what they thought of him when they were here and we were successful?

Or ask them do they really think he is still the right man for Arsenal?

Ask Nasri, RVP, Cesc etc if they believed in his 'project'. The past offers no insight to the future. Everyone recognise he was once great but those days are gone.

The FA cup last year was by hook or by crook, we barely won it.

omega man

efb wrote: »

Under performed in what respect? 4th place FA cup winners and UCL last 16 is performing to me

sure even ROSENBORG qualified for the group stages 11 times, 8 consecutively!! Ok it's still quite an achievement but Arsenal FC must aim higher than simply 4th spot year on year. Personally I think we're a bigger club than you think we are.

Soups123

efb wrote: »

Do we want a Spurs wheel of managers merry-go-round situation? If not, why would arsenal be different?

Graham brought success
Heuston failed
Rioch failed
Wenger succeeded

I would happily run the risk of that sequence of events again if it brought the club forward.

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

That's a damned if you do, damned if you don't response if ever I saw one.

If he had said that we were still in the hunt for the title, the response would have been that he was delusional, and shying away from the facts. Anyway what he says to the press has 0% connection with what he says to his players and how he motivates them.

Well isn't that just it? Motivation !!
I don't see a motivated team these days. Do you?

Ken Shamrock

efb wrote: »

Please elaborate???

"We couldn't improve our squad" is BS. We could and can but Wenger won't/is incapable of making the right signings with or without money.

Wenger never spent big in the glory days the stadium never took anything away from him as he still had the same if not more money at his disposal.

It's the signings that were sh1t its the way he set up the team and it's his poor tactics that are/were the problem, not money.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

Ask Henry Bergkamp Pires Viera Ljunberg- they will tell you what they think of him

Maybe we should also ask RVP, Clichy, Nasri, Toure etc too.

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

Well isn't that just it? Motivation !!
I don't see a motivated team these days. Do you?

I didn't see a lack of motivation yesterday. The principle reasons for the defeat yesterday were round pegs in square holes (Chambers and Monreal) and a DM who is not up to the task

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

I didn't see a lack of motivation yesterday. The principle reasons for the defeat yesterday were round pegs in square holes (Chambers and Monreal) and a DM who is not up to the task

How many played out of position yesterday apart from Monrael?
Chambers has basically being playing RB all season.

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

I didn't see a lack of motivation yesterday. The principle reasons for the defeat yesterday were round pegs in square holes (Chambers and Monreal) and a DM who is not up to the task

I see both, I see a team that doesnt believe in its manager or doesnt understand what he wants. I see no leader on the pitch.

The round pegs in square holes we have done to death and all agree this is 110% of Arsenes making. He didnt buy players that failed to achieve he just failed to buy players and the money was clearly there to do it

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

How many played out of position yesterday apart from Monrael?
Chambers has basically being playing RB all season.

he just couldn't cope with Montero. Perhaps he's not faced a trickier opponent so far this season but he looked out of his depth.

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

he just couldn't cope with Montero. Perhaps he's not faced a trickier opponent so far this season but he looked out of his depth.

and he got very little help.
So who else was played out of position?

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

and he got very little help.
So who else was played out of position?

As I already posted, Chambers and Monreal

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

As I already posted, Chambers and Monreal

So that's it then?
Those two playing out of position are causing us embarrassing defeats?
Did many not forsee that problem arising even before the season began?
Who is responsible for allowing it occur?

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

Graham brought success
Heuston failed
Rioch failed
Wenger succeeded

I would happily run the risk of that sequence of events again if it brought the club forward.

Heuston was never a permanent manager

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

he just couldn't cope with Montero. Perhaps he's not faced a trickier opponent so far this season but he looked out of his depth.

If 90% of the fans and commentators saw it why didnt he? Why didnt he thinking this guy is getting roasted against one of the fastest players in the league. Why didnt he think hey I have Bellerin here the fastest player in our squad and just by chance he is a RB, maybe this could work?

But no as always rabit in headlights moment and sit back and let it play out, making no changes until we conceed two goals. And even then Sanago on instead an German international with a proven goalscoring record off the bench

efb

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

"We couldn't improve our squad" is BS. We could and can but Wenger won't/is incapable of making the right signings with or without money.

Wenger never spent big in the glory days the stadium never took anything away from him as he still had the same if not more money at his disposal.

It's the signings that were sh1t its the way he set up the team and it's his poor tactics that are/were the problem, not money.

It was widely acknowledged that we didn't have the money to invest in the team when Chelsea and later City were pumping in millions

Soups123

efb wrote: »

Heuston was never a permanent manager

Were did I say he was? I listed the sequence of events.

Yet again you respond with no detail just a one liner with no substence, its get you busy atleast

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

So that's it then?
Those two playing out of position are causing us embarrassing defeats?
Did many not forsee that problem arising even before the season began?
Who is responsible for allowing it occur?

So what were you expecting yesterday a 4 - 0 victory? Swansea is a difficult place to go to and games at this leverl are decided on the tightest of margins.

As to the transfer window we should have strengthened at the back and I don't know why we didn't but that is the single biggest failing that is hurting at the moment.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

It was widely acknowledged that we didn't have the money to invest in the team when Chelsea and later City were pumping in millions

Over the years I have seen much better displays, even many winning ones, against better teams than Swansea and with a less talented team.
So how does that work?

Soups123

efb wrote: »

It was widely acknowledged that we didn't have the money to invest in the team when Chelsea and later City were pumping in millions

It was widely acknowledge we had less of it and of what we did have we werent willing to part with it.

I fail to see the relevence of what any other club did financially this summer as to an excuse why Arsene didnt sign defensive cover.

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

Were did I say he was? I listed the sequence of events.

Yet again you respond with no detail just a one liner with no substence, its get you busy atleast

Then how did he fail? He was holding the position- I think he did well, considering

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Over the years I have seen much better displays, even many winning ones, against better teams than Swansea and with a less talented team.
So how does that work?

I've seen good teams capitulate against far worse teams than Swansea too, the favourite doesn't win every match

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

It was widely acknowledge we had less of it and of what we did have we werent willing to part with it.

I fail to see the relevence of what any other club did financially this summer as to an excuse why Arsene didnt sign defensive cover.

Maybe he couldn't get the right players as they were enticed elsewhere with big money

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

So what were you expecting yesterday a 4 - 0 victory? Swansea is a difficult place to go to and is decided on the tightest of margins.

As to the transfer window we should have strengthened at the back and I don't know why we didn't but that is the single biggest failing that is hurting at the moment.

I was expecting a win actually. Score never matters.
So Wenger not strengthening the defence especially with a good DM and CB is
hurting us but not really his fault at all??? Whose is it?

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

I was expecting a win actually. Score never matters.
So Wenger not strengthening the defence especially with a good DM and CB is
hurting us but not really his fault at all??? Whose is it?

I didn't say it wasn't his fault - we didn't strengthen adequately and as the manager the buck has to stop with Arsene.

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

I've seen good teams capitulate against far worse teams than Swansea too, the favourite doesn't win every match

Indeed but good managers don't let capitulation occur on a regular basis either.
After last Tuesday i thought we would see a backlash but alas no.

efb

Do you guys expect to win the league at the start of every season? Worse than some dilousioned liverpool fans if you do

gandalf

I would have firmly been in the #inwengerwetrust camp at the start of the season and was hoping optimistically that we would still be challenging but the disjointed performances and failure to strengthen in the areas that we are obviously weak in have eroded that optimism and have shifted me towards the "change is needed" camp.

Wengers strength in the past was to play the game the way it should be played, the problem these days is that there doesn't seem to be another option and when that plan doesn't work he either can't or won't because he is too stubborn change the style of play. We are too predicable to play against which is disappointing given some of the brilliant individually skilled players that are at the club.

We should have won that match yesterday, we should be still in the top four but we aren't. The next game at the Emirates is massive, lose to United and I don't believe we will even finish fourth this season. I don't know if Wenger has lost his hunger but something is drastically wrong if he cannot motivate a skilled squad of players to actually play for the club. From looking at the body language of a lot of our players they just look like they are turning up for their pay cheque and nothing else.

As has been said already a couple of victories and the whole atmosphere will change, the problem is at the moment I don't see them coming.

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Indeed but good managers don't let capitulation occur on a regular basis either.
After last Tuesday i thought we would see a backlash but alas no.

We are 6th and 2nd in our CL group- can't be too regular

Soups123

efb wrote: »

Then how did he fail? He was holding the position- I think he did well, considering

He had it from February to May, had he done well he'd have got the job. He failed win about 60% of the games he took charge, thats a fail for me.

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

He had it from February to May, had he done well he'd have got the job. He failed win about 60% of the games he took charge, thats a fail for me.

He was never in contention afaik

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

Do you guys expect to win the league at the start of every season? Worse than some dilousioned liverpool fans if you do

I don't expect to be completely out of it after 11 games though.
Nor do I expect the manager to come out and confirm that we are out of it at this stage.

Soups123

efb wrote: »

Maybe he couldn't get the right players as they were enticed elsewhere with big money

You just make an excuse for the sake of making an excuse. He could easily have signed a 3/4th choice CB on the market. He could easily have paid for a DM if he wanted to. He chose not to.

efb wrote: »

Do you guys expect to win the league at the start of every season? Worse than some dilousioned liverpool fans if you do

I havent expected Arsenal to win the league since the invincables but I expect it to be a target for the club. Failing to win it is okay failing to try to win well thats not good enough.

wonga77

I dunno why some of ye are rising to the bait lads!

Ken Shamrock

wonga77 wrote: »

I dunno why some of ye are rising to the bait lads!

Yeah i stopped, was too late tho had already gotten riled up! :L

gandalf

efb wrote: »

Do you guys expect to win the league at the start of every season? Worse than some dilousioned liverpool fans if you do

I expect us to be challenging for the top spot yes, every fan of a big club should be. The problem for me is the deficiencies of the team are so obvious that it is extremely frustrating that those weaknesses either weren't spotted or were ignored and not acted upon.

It is especially frustrating when a lot of our direct rivals are also stuttering and we are pissing away the opportunity to pull ahead of them.

tayto lover

wonga77 wrote: »

I dunno why some of ye are rising to the bait lads!

Bit of craic. He's easy to counteract as his arguments don't stand up.

keano_afc

greendom wrote: »

he just couldn't cope with Montero. Perhaps he's not faced a trickier opponent so far this season but he looked out of his depth.

Then its the managers job to get a message to him to show him inside or else the manager should replace Monreal and bring on Bellerin. I dont blame Chambers. He was let down by his manager.

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Bit of craic. He's easy to counteract as his arguments don't stand up.

I fail to see anything except the usual bs- we should be challenging

keano_afc

efb wrote: »

Do you guys expect to win the league at the start of every season? Worse than some dilousioned liverpool fans if you do

I expect progress.

We are in a worse league position now than we were 12 months ago.
We have less points than we had 12 months ago.
We have a weaker defence than we had 12 months ago.
We are making THE SAME MISTAKES we were 12 months ago.

The blame lies with the manager. Can you even see that?

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

I fail to see anything except the usual bs- we should be challenging

You must be really a Spurs fan if you thing we shouldn't be challenging. :pac:

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

You just make an excuse for the sake of making an excuse. He could easily have signed a 3/4th choice CB on the market. He could easily have paid for a DM if he wanted to. He chose not to

You know this for certain?

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

You must be really a Spurs fan if you thing we shouldn't be challenging. :pac:

No I'm a realist

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

No I'm a realist

Yeah, a delusional realist :pac:

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah, a delusional realist :pac:

Paradox?

greendom

wonga77 wrote: »

I dunno why some of ye are rising to the bait lads!

True, think I'll not let myself be wound up anymore

tayto lover

Is Wenger the first of the Top 6 team managers to concede the title in the 2nd week of November?
Can't remember it ever happening previously.

Soups123

efb wrote: »

You know this for certain?

Yes I know for certain we could sign a 3/4th choice centre back if Wenger wasnt incompetent