Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15

jonneymendoza

wonga77 wrote: »

This is a terribly repetitive post at this stage but it was another excellent display by cesc tonight. I think passing up the chance to buy him is/and will prove to be one of Wenger's greatest mistakes

Like I said yesterday. His night and day better then average ozil. Cant believe people think ozil is still world class at Arsenal.

Fabregas is. Not ozil

jonneymendoza

Gringo180 wrote: »

In his first season in English football last season he had 14 assists and 7 goals in 40 games, so in other words he either created or scored a goal in every other game, not bad for his first season. Compare it to Wilshere who had 5 goals and 5 assists in 35 games last season, Cazorla chipped in with 9 assists and 6 goals in 46 games, do you see the trend here? Ozil is our best creative midfielder by far, he should be played centrally beside either Ramsey or Wilshere and stopped been shoved out wide to accommodate them 2 in the team because he is wasted out on the wing. With all due respect if you think Ozil is average at best I would really question your footballing knowledge.

Like everyone has said. Stats don't paint the whole picture and people keep comparing him to Wilshere and Ramsey who are average players.

There is only one great player and that's Sanchez

jonneymendoza

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Like I said yesterday. His night and day better then average ozil. Cant believe people think ozil is still world class at Arsenal.

Fabregas is. Not ozil

Yes, night and day between average Ozil, but not when both are playing at their peak. I've watched a fair bit of Chelsea this year, and Cesc can still disappear in games. He comes to the fore in easier games, and seems to be given a lot more freedom than Ozil.

Jaafa

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Like I said yesterday. His night and day better then average ozil. Cant believe people think ozil is still world class at Arsenal.

Fabregas is. Not ozil

If Ozil was playing in that Chelsea team he'd be lighting it up even better than Cesc. If Cesc was with us now he wouldn't be doing nearly as well as he is at Chelsea. As sad as it is our entire team has just been crap lately.

AdamD

Think we're gonna win tonight

DenMan

Tonight's game against Dortmund is live on Sky1. COYG

GavRedKing

Jaafa wrote: »

If Ozil was playing in that Chelsea team he'd be lighting it up even better than Cesc. If Cesc was with us now he wouldn't be doing nearly as well as he is at Chelsea. As sad as it is our entire team has just been crap lately.

TBH he wouldnt start, for the very same reason Mata was sold, cant tackle, wont track back, not quick or strong enough.

Not doubting his ability, of which he has plenty but the way we want to play theres just no room for someone who isnt going to work hard.

He was excellent for Real and Jose but in a different system and league where they had the ball about 65% of the time and were trouncing teams at will.

He could probably adapt to a pressing system with tracking back duties but we wont know.

I also agree on Cesc, mainly because hes got a better calibre of player, with yere injuries currently, to work with at Chelsea right now but I'm sure yere sick of the Cesc talk anyway.

Ken Shamrock

Arsenal last four vs German opposition at home

Arsenal 0-2 Schalke 04
Arsenal 1-3 Bayern Munich
Arsenal 1-2 BVB
Arsenal 0-2 Bayern Munich

Colonialboy

Unfortunately Wenger is starting to remind me of Bobby Robson when he started his decline.
Very out of touch with reality and the changes that were taking place in the game.
Stubborn beyond sense.
Isolating himself by being the only one who cant see what the issues are.
Harking back to days of yore when everyone wore top hats .

Pierce_1991

Colonialboy wrote: »

Unfortunately Wenger is starting to remind me of Bobby Robson when he started his decline.
Very out of touch with reality and the changes that were taking place in the game.
Stubborn beyond sense.
Isolating himself by being the only one who cant see what the issues are.
Harking back to days of yore when everyone wore top hats .

Was Bobby Robson's last job in management not at Newcastle where he was very successful?

wawaman

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Was Bobby Robson's last job in management not at Newcastle where he was very successful?

I think it was as assistant to Stan - nuff said !

Ken Shamrock

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Was Bobby Robson's last job in management not at Newcastle where he was very successful?

He was great at the start for Newcastle then he was sacked because they had a woeful start to the season and he was allegedly discontent in the dressing room.

AdamD

But didn't they proceed to do far worse and actually get relegated after he left?

greendom

AdamD wrote: »

But didn't they proceed to do far worse and actually get relegated after he left?

and this year they are sticking with Pardew after everyone said he should be sacked and now they have turned it around....

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

and this year they are sticking with Pardew after everyone said he should be sacked and now they have turned it around....

For how many weeks though, he has brought them to the brink and back and back and back and back again..............

greendom

Soups123 wrote: »

For how many weeks though, he has brought them to the brink and back and back and back and back again..............

one hell of a ride, how boring must it be to win every week, pity the Chelsea fans

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

one hell of a ride, how boring must it be to win every week, pity the Chelsea fans

Every week, I'll take every other week for now...

Kirby

Soups123 wrote: »

For how many weeks though, he has brought them to the brink and back and back and back and back again..............

Thats football. Runs of wins and runs of losses. We are too quick to praise and eulogise after a good spell and too quick to condemn after a loss.

Pardew should go because, in my opinion, the last few years have proven him to be a poor manager....good or bad runs dont really effect that. They might be 5th now but they were near the bottom a month ago and will likely yoyo a few more times just like you said.

I feel similarly about wenger. Getting top 4 or not getting it shouldnt be the deciding factor in him going. He should go because its time. Hes been good for the club but its gotten stale and arsenal havent improved in the last ten years.

Soups123

Kirby wrote: »

Thats football. Runs of wins and runs of losses. We are too quick to praise and eulogise after a good spell and too quick to condemn after a loss.

Pardew should go because, in my opinion, the last few years have proven him to be a poor manager....good or bad runs dont really effect that.

I feel similarly about wenger. Getting top 4 or not getting it shouldnt be the deciding factor in him going. He should go because its time. Hes been good for the club but its gotten stale and arsenal havent improved in the last ten years.

Agree ups and downs are part of the journey but you have the level of ups continue to increase year on year or peak for longer periods. Peaking at 4th and an FA Cup is still not good enough

On your point of praise take Rogers for instance fans in all quarters were discribing last year as youthful, fresh, new age, tactically astute etc. and now..........

GavRedKing

greendom wrote: »

one hell of a ride, how boring must it be to win every week, pity the Chelsea fans

Our slump month is usually November, I reckon its a month late and like everything a month late, I'm getting worried.

Soups123

GavRedKing wrote: »

Our slump month is usually November, I reckon its a month late and like everything a month late, I'm getting worried.

You must have a Chelsea beeper the posts to be barely out and boom

Dont see where a Chelsea slump is going to come from this year unless they get an Arsenal like injury run.

greendom

Kirby wrote: »

Thats football. Runs of wins and runs of losses. We are too quick to praise and eulogise after a good spell and too quick to condemn after a loss.

Pardew should go because, in my opinion, the last few years have proven him to be a poor manager....good or bad runs dont really effect that. They might be 5th now but they were near the bottom a month ago and will likely yoyo a few more times just like you said.

I feel similarly about wenger. Getting top 4 or not getting it shouldnt be the deciding factor in him going. He should go because its time. Hes been good for the club but its gotten stale and arsenal havent improved in the last ten years.

you can't hang the 10 year thing over Wenger's head. he was working in a constrained environment for all but the last 2 years of that period.

GavRedKing

Soups123 wrote: »

You must have a Chelsea beeper the posts to be barely out and boom

Dont see where a Chelsea slump is going to come from this year unless they get an Arsenal like injury run.

11 minutes after the post, I'm kind of busy in work so pop arund the forum and the a few pages when I get a chance :pac:

This is probably my 2nd most posted in thread, always good craic and knowledgable posts and posters.

Well I've said it in the Chelsea thread I think our first loss in the league at least will be away to Newcastle on 6th December I think it is, a very tricky game to an in form team.

We've Sunderland away Saturday, I'd be cautiously optimistic, Spurs at the Bridge after that, f**k knows what Spurs team will turn up, the one that plays like Brazil 1970 or a team that has 90mins of cluster f**k then Newcastle, thats the tricky one IMO.

Soups123

GavRedKing wrote: »

11 minutes after the post, I'm kind of busy in work so pop arund the forum and the a few pages when I get a chance :pac:

This is probably my 2nd most posted in thread, always good craic and knowledgable posts and posters.

Well I've said it in the Chelsea thread I think our first loss in the league at least will be away to Newcastle on 6th December I think it is, a very tricky game to an in form team.

We've Sunderland away Saturday, I'd be cautiously optimistic, Spurs at the Bridge after that, f**k knows what Spurs team will turn up, the one that plays like Brazil 1970 or a team that has 90mins of cluster f**k then Newcastle, thats the tricky one IMO.

I bet you say that to all the other girls threads

I think Sunderland will give you a bigger challenge than Newcastle they have caused you guys a few problems the last few years. But this time around I dont see it. I had Sunderland at 9-1 last time!

If you look at fixtures ahead and work on the assumption there are no injuries then Chelsea sail it, luckily things arent always that simple. Costa out for any lenght of time would be interesting as he is just on fire

Soups123

greendom wrote: »

you can't hang the 10 year thing over Wenger's head. he was working in a constrained environment for all but the last 2 years of that period.

Greendorm if we every meet I'm going to bait this point out of your system:pac:

Ken Shamrock

Soups123 wrote: »

Greendorm if we every meet I'm going to bait this point out of your system:pac:

Have the Arsenal Boardsies ever met up for a few scoops before?

Soups123

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

Have the Arsenal Boardsies ever met up for a few scoops before?

A lot headed into the Mercantile for the FA Cup final but it wasnt a direct meet, although it was a great day out

greendom

Soups123 wrote: »

Greendorm if we every meet I'm going to bait this point out of your system:pac:

I'm getting so sick of repeating it, you may not need to :pac:

efb

Soups123 wrote: »

A lot headed into the Mercantile for the FA Cup final but it wasnt a direct meet, although it was a great day out

Really good

Skylinehead

Soups123 wrote: »

A lot headed into the Mercantile for the FA Cup final but it wasnt a direct meet, although it was a great day out

I didn't meet any of yous

At least I think not. I was the eejit in the Vela shirt :pac:

Ken Shamrock

Skylinehead wrote: »

I didn't meet any of yous

At least I think not. I was the eejit in the Vela shirt :pac:

Oh man, what were you thinking?? :P

Pierce_1991

Someone stole my jacket from the Mercantile on cup final day

On the plus side we won the cup!

Alfred Borden

Dont know why but feeling confident. Fiver on Yaya to score first The fella behind the counter said noone had ever put a bet on him in there before :pac:

Ken Shamrock

Raf32 wrote: »

Dont know why but feeling confident. Fiver on Yaya to score first The fella behind the counter said noone had ever put a bet on him in there before :pac:

I'll pay you the odds on that if he scores man.

Gringo180

Is Sanogo starting? Really??

Alfred Borden

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I'll pay you the odds on that if he scores man.

I was expecting his odds to be at least double what they were :pac:
9/1

Looper007

Interesting next two weeks for Wenger, He has tough away game with West Brom and then high flying Southampton then the Last CL game.

I'm worried about tonight, I'm not very confident for our chances. Our Manager is still talking a ton of crap about it still could turn out to be a strong season and some of our better players have been massively disappointing. I hope we win but I expect a draw at best.

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

you can't hang the 10 year thing over Wenger's head. he was working in a constrained environment for all but the last 2 years of that period.

Agree.
Wenger shouldn't have been allowed to double job as accountant and football manager.
As his accounting improved his managerial skills declined. Now he's more of an accountant than a football manager.

Looper007

Raf32 wrote: »

Dont know why but feeling confident. Fiver on Yaya to score first The fella behind the counter said noone had ever put a bet on him in there before :pac:

Raf I'm expecting some rants tonight from you and your rant father Tayto :pac:.
I be expecting a line like "Sanchez isn't any good" from you. you never disappoint.

Looper007

tayto lover wrote: »

Agree.
Wenger shouldn't have been allowed to double job as accountant and football manager.
As his accounting improved his managerial skills declined. Now he's more of an accountant than a football manager.

The board are at fault for that for given him so much power. He's far too cocky sitting at these press conferences coming out with stupid lines like "We still have a strong season ahead" and when he's criticised he has a tantrum like a little child.

Gringo180

Looper007 wrote: »

Interesting next two weeks for Wenger, He has tough away game with West Brom and then high flying Southampton then the Last CL game.

I'm worried about tonight, I'm not very confident for our chances. Our Manager is still talking a ton of crap about it still could turn out to be a strong season and some of our better players have been massively disappointing. I hope we win but I expect a draw at best.

This is B0LLOCKs. Our season is already over if were going to be realistic. How can it be a strong season maybe finishing at best 3rd or 4th (again) and about 20 points off Chelsea.

Looper007

Gringo180 wrote: »

This is B0LLOCKs. Our season is already over if were going to be realistic. How can it be a strong season maybe finishing at best 3rd or 4th (again) and about 20 points off Chelsea.

I agree but he's still thinking its a good season, the man's deluded or really cocky that he's safe no matter what. He's been saying this for the past 5 to 6 years that 4th is the new 1st for us. We are now the laughing stock of the footballing world. No one takes us serious. Given Wenger this much power at the club has been a disaster.

Alfred Borden

Looper007 wrote: »

Raf I'm expecting some rants tonight from you and your rant father Tayto :pac:.
I be expecting a line like "Sanchez isn't any good" from you. you never disappoint.

I comment when players have been progressively bad I look forward to see if your on the fence again tonight Looper

tayto lover

Looper007 wrote: »

Raf I'm expecting some rants tonight from you and your rant father Tayto :pac:.
I be expecting a line like "Sanchez isn't any good" from you. you never disappoint.

Ha you won't hear much from me tonight.
I don't like the CL as we're never strong enough in recent years to win it imo.

I am 100% interested in the EPL as it's over 38 games and is our bread and butter football competition full of hustle and bustle and it really decides who the best team is over a season

Little interest in the cups either, just watch for an interest.

Gringo180

Looper007 wrote: »

I agree but he's still thinking its a good season, the man's deluded or really cocky that he's safe no matter what. He's been saying this for the past 5 to 6 years that 4th is the new 1st for us. We are now the laughing stock of the footballing world. No one takes us serious. Given Wenger this much power at the club has been a disaster.

I didn't really mind the past 5 or 6 years when he said it because we didn't have the finances we have now and back then we were losing our better players and replacing them with inferior ones. But this season I have had enough, I really thought that FA Cup win would of pushed this team onto greater things but we have gone backwards. Not only is the club a joke on the field its the same off it.

Looper007

Raf32 wrote: »

I comment when players have been progressively bad I look forward to see if your on the fence again tonight Looper

I'm going to have a drink or two and cry into my beer when we lose. Then come on and sit on that fence rather half pissed :pac:.

Alfred Borden

Looper007 wrote: »

I'm going to have a drink or two and cry into my beer when we lose. Then come on and sit on that fence rather half pissed :pac:.

Genuinely think we will be celebrating tonight. Non pressure game so expect the bottlers to turn up :pac:

Pierce_1991

Sanogo starting, jaysus

Pierce_1991

Arsenal: Martinez, Chambers, Mertesacker, Monreal, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Cazorla, Alexis, Sanogo

Alfred Borden

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Sanogo starting, jaysus

Its gonna happen