Near riot over a Midget horse in Finglas

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

Two issues here.

(1) There's no evidence to prove that equestrianism does or does not keep young men away from criminal behavior. However, it stands to reason that having past-times and non-criminal adrenalin rushes will keep kids away from trouble.
(2) You're conflating keeping horses on housing estates with serious criminal behaviour. That's not logically excusable.


Not for the horses, there isn't. Horses do not appreciate aesthetics. The big difference between keeping a horse locked in a back garden 23 hours per day, and keeping him locked up in a stable on a competition yard for 23 hours per day, is that the horse in the back garden will have more space and amusement.

Anyone who has ever worked around horses in a professional way will appreciate how horses' requirements differ substantially from the misconceptions that are out there. People with no familiarity tend to think professionals' horses spend their days rollicking in fields and occasional competitions. No. they are mostly locked up indoors in 12 x 14ft boxes. At the end of the season, when they eventually see grass, they go absolutely bonkers and risk injury, so even this exposure is limited.

If horses could choose, I reckon many of them would choose to live on estates than in professional yards. You have to stop applying human desires and sensibilities to horses.

By the way, I'm not criticizing professional yards. Far from it. Horses are so versatile that they can be very happy in the most challenging environments. That's why they have had such an enduring relationship with mankind.

As someone who's worked on these professional yards and knows a great deal about horses, I can only conclude that you don't know what you're talking about.

It makes me furious, seeing these horses. There's a huge amount of them around limerick and not one of them are healthy or happy. Three wandered onto the estate I was living in twp years ago and they were barely alive, with a yearling in considerable pain with their feet but the gardai that came out were terrified of horses and told us to just take them to the nearest bit of grass. They were gone again by the next morning.
I cannot even begin to comprehend the mindset of those defending those in the video...

conorh91

sup_dude wrote: »

As someone who's worked on these professional yards and knows a great deal about horses, I can only conclude that you don't know what you're talking about.

Go on...

mikom

Some amount of wages on display there over a mini pony..
There were less US government agents after ET.

suicide_circus

catallus wrote: »

This is what equality looks like. You seem to have a problem with this. Well suck it up. We're all equal, like it or not.

I have been sucking it up my whole working life however, this is the exact opposite of equality.

Bepolite

catallus wrote: »

This is what equality looks like. You seem to have a problem with this. Well suck it up. We're all equal, like it or not.

Not it's not. It's the complete opposite of equality. We've created an inverted aristocracy in an underclass. An underclass that is paid for by the working person. It's a case of 'let them smoke John Player Blue' and needs to be addressed before a knee jerk reaction takes us to far the other way again.

whupdedo

catallus wrote: »

This is what equality looks like. You seem to have a problem with this. Well suck it up. We're all equal, like it or not.

These cnuts that abuse gardai, are long term unemployed(dont tell me they're not) wear p js in the middle of the day are in no way equal to the ordinary people of Ireland, they are inferior and should not be tolerated by society, the police in many other countries would have been a lot more heavy handed than the guards were in the video

catallus

suicide_circus wrote: »

I have been sucking it up my whole working life however, this is the exact opposite of equality.

Bepolite wrote: »

Not it's not. It's the complete opposite of equality.

whupdedo wrote: »

These cnuts that abuse gardai...

I am aghast (aghast!!) at this casual debasement of one of the essential pillars of our society. Equality between people is an unquestionable truth!

Shame on ye all. Shame!!!!!! :mad:

EazyD

catallus wrote: »

This is what equality looks like. You seem to have a problem with this. Well suck it up. We're all equal, like it or not.

Well in reality some more equal than others but the ideology is nice, no doubt about that

homerun_homer

I can just imagine this playing out on the cinema screens, with a beautiful but dressed down Oscar winner playing the woman screaming. Except she'll be classier & righteous and the audiences will be on her side, watching in horror as the awful police steal away her pet horse.

gugleguy

homerun_homer wrote: »

I can just imagine this playing out on the cinema screens, with a beautiful but dressed down Oscar winner playing the woman screaming. Except she'll be classier & righteous and the audiences will be on her side, watching in horror as the awful police steal away her pet horse.

In the movie credits at the end:

Jennifer Anniston .....................Heroine
Vinny Jones.....................Garda Officer #1
Stephen Rhea..................Garda Officer #2
Jennifer Lopez.................Garda Officer #3

Eponymous

When I were a lad, if a young lass wanted a little pony, this is what she got:

http://www.imisstheoldschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/My-Little-Pony-my-little-pony-256752_1280_1024.jpg

Omackeral

gugleguy wrote: »

In the movie credits at the end:

Jennifer Anniston .....................Heroine
Vinny Jones.....................Garda Officer #1
Stephen Rhea..................Garda Officer #2
Jennifer Lopez.................Garda Officer #3

There's only one 'e' in heroi....


....oh!!!


Very well done!

OldNotWIse

Fúcking idiots. Maybe if they had jobs they could expend their energy elsewhere.

Frank Lee Midere

Bepolite wrote: »

Not it's not. It's the complete opposite of equality. We've created an inverted aristocracy in an underclass. An underclass that is paid for by the working person. It's a case of 'let them smoke John Player Blue' and needs to be addressed before a knee jerk reaction takes us to far the other way again.

Yes, a leisure class has traditionally been on the top, but these lads are on the bottom. Stilll screwing the working man though.

Frank Lee Midere

I think that the way these things go down is like this.

Mini riot in Finglas, or elsewhere. Cops come in. Something's wrong. Something's missing. Everybody waits a while. Eventually a car arrives with the screechy woman. She gets out and starts screeching. Riot resumes.

Same woman everywhere.

Couch Potatoe

conorh91 wrote: »

If that were the case, horses would be seized from every dressage yard in the country. Most serious dressage horses are locked up in stables for most of the day, and are exercised over sand, in enclosed arenas. The same usually applied to racehorses, during training season.

As a rule of thumb, the most professional horse owners won't keep their animals on grass.

It's a massive misconception that horses 'belong' in paddocks, when in reality they 'belong' in 12 x 14 ft boxes.

If horses keep some kids out of prison, then barring serious neglect, I'm all for those kids keeping horses.

Horses "belong" in fields, not boxes. You fool.

fryup

anniehoo wrote: »

They're getting the horses back seemingly, after they pay nearly €2000 in various Pound fees. A deposits already been paid and the "community" are raising the rest.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Oh no God help the poor animals

who? the ponies or the owners?

mcko

Why do the Gardai take so much crap.

philstar

are irish chavs worse than english chavs?

Richard Hillman

philstar wrote: »

are irish chavs worse than english chavs?

I think that English chavs recognize that they are scum and are bizarrely proud of it. Irish chavs are in denial. They call themselves working class despite never working. Irish chavs are a lot wealthier too.

anewme

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think that English chavs recognize that they are scum and are bizarrely proud of it. Irish chavs are in denial. They call themselves working class despite never working. Irish chavs are a lot wealthier too.

I always wonder why people are labelled working class when they never worked a day in their life.

Eircom_Sucks

Im from finglas

Horses are not / should not be in residential estates end off

Most of them in the clip i know and all a cancer to society

suicide_circus

anewme wrote: »

I always wonder why people are labelled working class when they never worked a day in their life.

It's an insult to working people

mickydoomsux

anewme wrote: »

I always wonder why people are labelled working class when they never worked a day in their life.

Because of our touchy-feely society in this country that is terrified of offending a group of people by calling them what they are.

"Welfare dependent under-class" would be seen as an insult, despite it being an accurate description. We call them "working class" instead because apparently working is the worst thing anyone can do.

dxhound2005

That's not a midget horse.

This is a midget horse.

http://www.lostateminor.com/2014/10/03/22-inch-horse-smallest-britain-bigger-dog/

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

Go on...

Horses don't belong in boxes and most professional and nonprofessional yards acknowledge the importance of turn out. Which is why in majority of yards, horses get a certain amount of turnout weekly if not daily on top of their exercise and longer breaks in the field.

Horses in professional yards are treated to the highest quality. Excluding some racing yards, horses get adequate out time in order to not develop vices. Obviously, every horse is different and some horses aren't suited to being stabled at all where some may be happy enough to spend their whole life in a stable.

To say they'd prefer to belong to travellers is laughable. Horses with most other people get treater very kindly and their welfare is at the foremost. There are hundreds of rules in all different sectors of the equine industry in order to make sure the horse is okay. Horses are trained properly and not put under stress. Their stables are as safe as can be (although, horses get themselves into all sorts of situations which leave owners scratching their heads). Compare that to most traveller horses. They're stuck into gigs when they're one, if not before. A horse isn't fully mature until they're four so by the time they're five, at a push, they're legs are so run down from the concussion of running on a solid road. Their muscles are twisted and torn from pulling gigs and traps and their sides are so marked up with bruises and cuts because you cam guarantee that they don't care if the tack fits the horse or not. The shelter they have, if any, is a few bits of metal stuck together which contain all sorts of hazards, not to mention how inadequate a shetler that is. If they don't have shelters, they're tied out until the headcollar starts to grow into their faces. They don't get wormed or treated for lice and if the animal is sick, they're mostly left to die. Shoes are usually stuck on by unqualified people who end up doing more damage than good and the shoes are left on until they fall off themselves. This could potentially tear through the nerves in the hoof and in worse case, puncture the frog (the highly sensitive part of the foot).

Now, you're telling me that horses would prefer that, because they get the occassional pick of grass? With studies being done continously to improve the life style of horses (and that's what I'm part of), you're telling me you'd prefer a horse to go to people who don't care about any of that? Don't get me wrong, you get the odd traveller who treats their horse with respect but they're a minority. Most take the word "breaking" literally. Nor am I having a go at travellers in general, but the way they treat their animals is horrendous and it's about time something was done about it.

Dyr

anewme wrote: »

I always wonder why people are labelled working class when they never worked a day in their life.

Its kinda like people who are loaded calling themselves middle class to feel like they got a raw deal somehow

Bepolite

philstar wrote: »

are irish chavs worse than english chavs?

Just different. English chavs wouldn't have horses wandering around housing estates to be fair but that's just a cultural thing.

Bepolite

Bambi wrote: »

Its kinda like people who are loaded calling themselves middle class to feel like they got a raw deal somehow

Raw deal by paying an efftive tax rate of 60% in some cases so that others can sit on their holes. It's an issue the other side with massive tax evasion especially on rental properties squeezing the middle, hence why people are pissed off.

conorh91

Couch Potatoe wrote: »

Horses "belong" in fields, not boxes. You fool.

You sound like you know nothing about horses.

sup_dude wrote: »

Horses don't belong in boxes and most professional and nonprofessional yards acknowledge the importance of turn out. Which is why in majority of yards, horses get a certain amount of turnout weekly if not daily on top of their exercise and longer breaks in the field.

Not in any yard in which I've ever been. I am talking about the really professional yards. Obviously some two-bit riding school/ semi-professional will turn out school horses with yearlings or any motley crew of horses for days on end and never give it another thought.

But I gave the example of dressage horses. It is almost unheard of to turn out dressage horses during a competitive season. The serious racehorse trainers will usually not turn out during the season either. If a horse is turned out, he goes out with perhaps only one other horse, preferably a semi-comatosed schoolmaster, so as to avoid risk of injury.

This is normal practice. I have experience of one of the best-known racing yards where, during the season, horses only ever leave their boxes (i) to go racing, (ii) to canter, or (iii) to stretch and roll, in-hand, in an indoor sand school, or to go on the walker if suitable. No competent horse person would claim those horses are abused, despite being stabled for up to 23 hours per day, for most of the year.

I guess my bottom line is that people with less experience of horses tend to be too precious about horse welfare.

There are two types of horse owners. practical owners, and then, those with a permanent stock of sugar cubes up their sleeve, who write Valentine's cards to their horses. The latter are a great scourge.

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

I am talking about the really professional yards.

As am I.

conorh91 wrote: »

This is normal practice. I have experience of one of the best-known racing yards

Only one?

Edit: if you have experience of a yard that treats horses worse than travellers do, that the horses would prefer to belong to travellers, I would strongly recommend you report them.

conorh91

sup_dude wrote: »

As am I.

Really. Most people here won't know anything about trainers' practices and will prefer to side with your statement, because, somewhat understandably, they prefer it to be true.

It isn't. No person who has genuine experience of very professional yards will back up the claim that "the majority of" professional yards turn out daily or weekly "on top of their longer breaks in the field". That, frankly, is pure bollocks.

You can't even raise your voice or drop a wheelbarrow in some of these yards, lest you upset the horses. The idea that anyone would let these animals loose in the countryside, on a daily or weekly basis, is fantasy.

gormdubhgorm

The film "Into The West" is all I can think of!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_4LoVV_YM

Bepolite

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The film "Into The West" is all I can think of!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_4LoVV_YM

Zut Alors!

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

Really. Most people here won't know anything about trainers' practices and will prefer to side with your statement, because, somewhat understandably, they prefer it to be true.

It isn't. No person who has genuine experience of very professional yards will back up the claim that "the majority of" professional yards turn out daily or weekly "on top of their longer breaks in the field". That, frankly, is pure bollocks.

You can't even raise your voice or drop a wheelbarrow in some of these yards, lest you upset the horses. The idea that anyone would let these animals loose in the countryside, on a daily or weekly basis, is fantasy.

Yes really. Lemme guess, you never worked in many very professional yards and don't know a lot of people who do.

I actually don't know why you're so against the idea. Any yard I've been in had supervised turn out for horses. This holds true in some form with anyone I've worked with and people I know that worked in one, even if I wasn't there. That covers an awful lot of yards. Once a horse stops running around, the most of the danger of something happening to them is over. An international showjumping yard I was working in put a horse or two in the field every night. Broodmares, foals and yearlings spend most of their lives in a field. So yeah, I'm a person who has genuine experience with working in "very" professional yards who is not only making that claim, but is stating that fact.

Either way, you still made the claim that any horse in a professional yard would prefer to live with travelers. I'm still failing to see how this is true.

AudreyHepburn

conorh91 wrote: »

Not for the horses, there isn't. Horses do not appreciate aesthetics. The big difference between keeping a horse locked in a back garden 23 hours per day, and keeping him locked up in a stable on a competition yard for 23 hours per day, is that the horse in the back garden will have more space and amusement.

Anyone who has ever worked around horses in a professional way will appreciate how horses' requirements differ substantially from the misconceptions that are out there. People with no familiarity tend to think professionals' horses spend their days rollicking in fields and occasional competitions. No. they are mostly locked up indoors in 12 x 14ft boxes. At the end of the season, when they eventually see grass, they go absolutely bonkers and risk injury, so even this exposure is limited.

If horses could choose, I reckon many of them would choose to live on estates than in professional yards. You have to stop applying human desires and sensibilities to horses.

By the way, I'm not criticizing professional yards. Far from it. Horses are so versatile that they can be very happy in the most challenging environments. That's why they have had such an enduring relationship with mankind.

If you think there is nothing wrong with keeping an animal the size of, and with the needs of, a horse in a backyard then you clearly have never owned or worked them.

It's nothing to do with worrying about aesthetics or applying my human sensibilities to horses, it's about having common sense.

TBH I see keep horses in housing estates as a form of abuse because there is no way you can adequately care for and keep them safe there.

DBEventers

conorh91 wrote: »

Really. Most people here won't know anything about trainers' practices and will prefer to side with your statement, because, somewhat understandably, they prefer it to be true.

It isn't. No person who has genuine experience of very professional yards will back up the claim that "the majority of" professional yards turn out daily or weekly "on top of their longer breaks in the field". That, frankly, is pure bollocks.

You can't even raise your voice or drop a wheelbarrow in some of these yards, lest you upset the horses. The idea that anyone would let these animals loose in the countryside, on a daily or weekly basis, is fantasy.

I agree, a lot of very professional yards would even have so many horses that it would be impractical to turn them out this often. I have worked in loads of yards and keep and ride a lot of horses and during the season, it would be too risky to turn out a lot of the horses I have worked with due to either being so fit, hyper and highly strung, never mind the fact that a small injury could essentially screw up the season for them. By missing a couple of weeks could mean that they miss an important qualifier! Any time we did turn out a horse, they were booted and bandaged and only out for an hour or so, under watch. Although I've had a horse that was impossible to ride unless kept in field, but she's an exception!

conorh91

sup_dude wrote: »

I actually don't know why you're so against the idea. Any yard I've been in had supervised turn out for horses.

I'm not. I, like other posters who seem to know what they're talking about, are telling you that this is not common practice.

You claim "the majority" of racing yards turn out daily or weekly, during the season. That is simply not true for the top yards. I've never even encountered a predominantly point to point yard who did so.

Dressage yards tend to be even more opposed to turnout.

I don't know much about showjumping yards, so am not competent to say what common practice is there.

You are wrong on this. If you qualified your statement by saying that some trainers turn out in season, I'd be in agreement. But to claim it's the majority, and that it can even be daily, is not a runner.

What does all this demonstrate?

That daily or regular access to rolling countryside, however ideal(istic) is not necessarily relevant to horse welfare.

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

I'm not. I, like other posters who seem to know what they're talking about, are telling you that this is not common practice.

You claim "the majority" of racing yards turn out daily or weekly, during the season. That is simply not true for the top yards. I've never even encountered a predominantly point to point yard who did so.

Dressage yards tend to be even more opposed to turnout.

I don't know much about showjumping yards, so am not competent to say what common practice is there.

You are wrong on this. If you qualified your statement by saying that some trainers turn out in season, I'd be in agreement. But to claim it's the majority, and that it can even be daily, is not a runner.

What does all this demonstrate?

That daily or regular access to rolling countryside, however ideal(istic) is not necessarily relevant to horse welfare.

Did you read the part that said I knew what I was talking about too? Or did you skip that part in order to make up that I was talking solely about racing yards and only talking about during the season? Because I never mentioned either of them. There are more professional yards than those just for point to pointers.

I didn't mention any season and it is a majority, and yes, some yards turn out daily, I've worked in a few that have. I'm not saying all do either. You can you stick your fingers in your ears and go "blah blah blah" all you want but that doesn't make what you're saying any more right.

Not relevant to welfare?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301622604002350
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787811001821
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0737080605001206
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787813001226
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0737080613003316

Again, are you still suggesting that horses will be better of living with Travelers than in a professional yard?

Lalealynn

conorh91 wrote: »

You are wrong on this. If you qualified your statement by saying that some trainers turn out in season, I'd be in agreement. But to claim it's the majority, and that it can even be daily, is not a runner.

What does all this demonstrate?

That daily or regular access to rolling countryside, however ideal(istic) is not necessarily relevant to horse welfare.

Very true it depends on the schedule of physical exercise the horse is on. How much work they do.

crannglas

Didn't any of you lot watch into the west? God people watch your Irish movies!

kingchess

you guys seem to be talking about" top of the range" worth a lot of money pure bred horses,I do not believe the small horse in the op"s video would be allowed inside the same yard with the highly trained beasts you are talking about.also how would Donkeys and Ponies fit into your scheme of things???kept in all the time and left out for an hour or two into the field??

crannglas

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The film "Into The West" is all I can think of!
l]

Dammit you got there before me! Best movie ever.

Lalealynn

sup_dude wrote: »

Did you read the part that said I knew what I was talking about too? Or did you skip that part in order to make up that I was talking solely about racing yards and only talking about during the season? Because I never mentioned either of them. There are more professional yards than those just for point to pointers.

I didn't mention any season and it is a majority, and yes, some yards turn out daily, I've worked in a few that have. I'm not saying all do either. You can you stick your fingers in your ears and go "blah blah blah" all you want but that doesn't make what you're saying any more right.

Not relevant to welfare?


Again, are you still suggesting that horses will be better of living with Travelers than in a professional yard?

I am the most liberal bleeding heart you can meet. I acknowledge the vast majority of horses who come to the animal welfare come from traveler communities. It's not a lifestyle compatible with caring for a horse. Very few horses come to the DSPCA from professional yard because their reputation would be ruined and their business would be ruined. A livery yard would never get any business if they did not maintain high standards. Riding schools would not get business if they didn't do the same.

Some Private owners who should not own horses or take on too many and traveling communities are usually the ones that lead to abusive standards of care.

You can't make a living out of horses if you don't realize their value. And part of their value is the work you do with them and put into their health and psychological welfare.

Most of the value in the horse is actually the training and schooling it receives, it can more than TRIPLE the value of a horse on the market. The value represents the horses character too it's temperament. Horses who have no value are the ones who you see in the papers being set on fire. Being a living being is not enough to prevent abuse sadly.

Yes some yards have poor practices. I have ridden horses and been around yards but admittedly never worked in one. But the level of expertise in professional yards cannot be compared to the vast majority of care by travelers. That is not to say they could not do it. It is just observable fact that they don't seem to.

Reckless breeding during the Celtic Tiger years has caused Ireland to be inundated with unwanted equine. Added to this is the increasing cost of fodder and the diminishing value of equine. Markets like the one in Smithfield means anyone can easily buy equine for as cheap at €8, irrespective of a person's lack of resources and knowledge of equine care. Smithfield Market is unlicensed, unregulated, and completely unsuitable for horses and the DSPCA has worked to shut down these types of markets for years.

It's those stupid markets!

Anyone who wants to buy a horse for tiny amounts of money should not own one!

Horses are being tied up using ropes, chains or ill-fitting harnesses and bridles. In a lot of cases these owners are horse lovers and they don't mean to harm the animals but they don't have the knowledge and resources to look after them and in turn the animals suffer.

The owners of these equine are not providing shelter for these animals as they don't own the land and are not permitted to erect stables or shelters. The owners don't know enough about medical treatment of these animals like vaccinations, hoof care, worming treatments, diseases, etc or can't afford them. Horses are not being fed correctly and do not have access to fresh water. Owners don't know about horses needing extra feed, water or shelter in winter.

I know how to ride a bit and little about horses I could volunteer in a yard and not make nuisance of myself. But I know enough to know how little I know about horses!

The DSPCA will try to deal with all cases but there are serious financial repercussions to the rescue and care of these horses. Every horse that we take in costs an average of €3,000 to treat.

And they are a public danger too! It is only a matter of time before members of the public are hurt by animals wandering in front of cars or other types of accidents. And with foot and mouth etc it's a health danger to other animals.

Lalealynn

crannglas wrote: »

Didn't any of you lot watch into the west? God people watch your Irish movies!

LOVED THAT FILM!!!

conorh91

sup_dude wrote: »

Again, are you still suggesting that horses will be better of living with Travelers than in a professional yard?

No, I did not mention travellers.

I just don't give a crap about the background and area a horse owner comes from. I wouldn't say a horse should never be kept in a housing estate or urban environment, because it's theoretically possible that a horse could be very well looked after and content living in someone's back garden, or in the stables behind Thomas Street, where many healthy-looking horses do live.

I don't claim to know anything about urban horse owners, or to be friends of any.

I'm simply rebutting the idea that the majority of professionals (real professionals) regularly turn out their animals, in the way you describe.

Ave Sodalis

conorh91 wrote: »

No, I did not mention travellers.

I just don't give a crap about the background and area a horse owner comes from. I wouldn't say a horse should never be kept in a housing estate or urban environment, because it's theoretically possible that a horse could be very well looked after and content living in someone's back garden, or in the stables behind Thomas Street, where many healthy-looking horses do live.

I don't claim to know anything about urban horse owners, or to be friends of any.

I'm simply rebutting the idea that the majority of professionals (real professionals) regularly turn out their animals, in the way you describe.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7071/7045873525_b2c9787fa1.jpg
As opposed to what, fake professionals? :rolleyes: I don't even think you know the way I described turn out, given your post before this.

Theoretically, it is possible. Realistically, it doesn't happen all that often. I've seen very very few healthy horses who belong to Travelers.

FullblownRose

crannglas wrote: »

Did you miss the part when she said they have stables around the corner? Don't need to be loaded and own acres of land to love a horse and to be able to take care of it.

Did they say why they took the horse, at all?

Sounds like they had adequate facilities for it already. It's hardly bigger than a labrador!

daRobot

Leave the horse be ffs. The people there obviously love him and care for him considering how heated things got.

The people in this area don't have much, why take away something that brings them joy.

The Gardai should be using their resources for better causes than this.

fedor.2.

daRobot wrote: »

Leave the horse be ffs. The people there obviously love him and care for him considering how heated things got.

The people in this area don't have much, why take away something that brings them joy.

The Gardai should be using their resources for better causes than this.

How patronising. How do you know what these people have or don't have.

So, if someone doesn't "have much" they should be entitled to do whatever they want, is it?