LOI week 30 & FAI cup semi-final matches.

dan1895 · 06-10-2014 11:49am

CHealy wrote: »

Very dissapointed with the crowds at yesterdays games. Harps and Derry had good support given the distance but I was particularly surprised with the seemingly low home attendances. Hell of alot of empty seats in Inchicore and it was the same in Tallaght, going by the TV anyway.

Has the Cup lost its appeal?

Can't help but feel if there was a cup semi final on at Cork, Dundalk, Sligo or Derry there would be close to full houses at each.

Thought the same at our two home semi's over the last couple of years but it's not just us. I think that the fact that cup games aren't included in season ticket prices has an impact these days.

CHealy · 06-10-2014 11:50am

dan1895 wrote: »

Thought the same at our two home semi's over the last couple of years but it's not just us. I think that the fact that cup games aren't included in season ticket prices has an impact these days.

Sunday afternoon games don't help either.

Omackeral · 06-10-2014 12:22pm

CHealy wrote: »

Sunday afternoon games don't help either.

I don't get this argument. Sunday afternoon is perfect for football I think. There's nobody working 9-5's, it's generally a day of rest. What days do you think are better? I've often heard people say Friday nights aren't great either.

dreamers75 · 06-10-2014 1:00pm

Friday night suits our crap attendances better than sunday afternoon.

Im sure each club has their own preferred night.

CHealy · 06-10-2014 1:27pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't get this argument. Sunday afternoon is perfect for football I think. There's nobody working 9-5's, it's generally a day of rest. What days do you think are better? I've often heard people say Friday nights aren't great either.

LOI don't play Sunday games anymore, thats my argument.

Its grand to go changing KO times in other leagues where the fans will turn up anyway but not in LOI.

Even a couple of weeks ago, the Cork City v Sligo game was put forward to a 7.05pm KO, and it definitely knocked a couple of hundred off the attendance, and thats widely accepted.

Omackeral · 06-10-2014 2:33pm

I think there's something cool about playing a cup game on a Sunday afternoon though, adds to the day out factor and is a bit of a novelty. That said, the 4pm KO is definitely better than 1.45pm. Wasn't arguing with you by the way, just genuinely curious as to people's preferences and why.

CSF · 06-10-2014 3:09pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I think there's something cool about playing a cup game on a Sunday afternoon though, adds to the day out factor and is a bit of a novelty. That said, the 4pm KO is definitely better than 1.45pm. Wasn't arguing with you by the way, just genuinely curious as to people's preferences and why.

Awh no, not for me, there is nothing better than the excitement throughout work on a Friday with a huge game that evening. On the flip side with Fridays, dead rubber games become even less appealing after a potentially horrible days work.

Gavin "shels" · 06-10-2014 4:00pm

Issue with Sunday afternoon is people who play ball themselves, loads of Leagues in Dublin and I'm guessing the rest of the country play Sunday mornings.

Gavin "shels" · 06-10-2014 4:04pm

Any Galway FC lads hazard a guess what day they'd be playing the play off game in Terryland? The Friday or the Saturday?

CSF · 06-10-2014 4:10pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Any Galway FC lads hazard a guess what day they'd be playing the play off game in Terryland? The Friday or the Saturday?

They play all their home games on Friday so I can't see that one changing now. Only question is will we get the point required to make it next week or will it be the week after.

Wouldn't like to see any of our first choice players (particularly defenders) anywhere near the pitch in Cobh on Sunday.

dreamers75 · 07-10-2014 9:16pm

Mc Guinness sent off, Patterson misses peno

Omackeral · 07-10-2014 9:16pm

Anyone know why there's been a red card at the Brandywell?

citytillidie · 07-10-2014 9:51pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyone know why there's been a red card at the Brandywell?

2 yellow cards

dreamers75 · 07-10-2014 10:11pm

That_Guy · 07-10-2014 10:25pm

citytillidie · 07-10-2014 11:13pm

Little bit of trouble after the game tonight

dreamers75 · 07-10-2014 11:20pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Little bit of trouble after the game tonight

Video on one of the "banter" pages on facebook.

Glad its Derry in the final can enjoy the day without having to see that **** going on.

NIMAN · 07-10-2014 11:27pm

Hotel booked for Dublin, looking forward to the trip.

Omackeral · 07-10-2014 11:39pm

https://m.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152825462964078&set=vb.772024077&type=2&theater

The Model Club indeed.

NIMAN · 07-10-2014 11:53pm

There certainly is a scummy element anytime they are in town.

doncarlos · 07-10-2014 11:54pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Little bit of trouble after the game tonight

Wonder who's fault it is this time.... :rolleyes:

Delighted it's Derry in the final. Can only imagine the trouble that Rovers fans would have caused if they were playing Pats.

gimmick · 08-10-2014 9:24am

But sure its only a small element so its fine.

CSF · 08-10-2014 9:29am

gimmick wrote: »

But sure its only a small element so its fine.

It isn't fine, but it is only a small element and shouldn't define the club and their many fans whose main crime is usually just a lack of support for whoever is unlucky enough to be manager at any given time.

gimmick · 08-10-2014 9:40am

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Gavin "shels" · 08-10-2014 11:32am

Say the FAI are raging, in the 4 finals in the new Lansdowne, Derry/Pats was the lowest attended.

CSF · 08-10-2014 11:36am

Gavin shels wrote: »

Say the FAI are raging, in the 4 finals in the new Lansdowne, Derry/Pats was the lowest attended.

According to that Pats fan on here, the one who isn't dreamers, the FAI may need to install extra seating to accomodate all the Pats fans though

CHealy · 08-10-2014 11:43am

CSF wrote: »

According to that Pats fan on here, the one who isn't dreamers, the FAI may need to install extra seating to accomodate all the Pats fans though

I reckon Derry will bring a bit more than what they did the last time, but it'll be the same for Pats, if not lower. See the semi-final attendances, they were shocking.

Omackeral · 08-10-2014 12:19pm

Hopefully it's a decent day and a few neutrals come out. I'll be going anyway, enjoy the brand of football Pats play. Could Derry outnumber their fans though?!

Pedro K · 08-10-2014 12:25pm

citytillidie wrote: »

Little bit of trouble after the game tonight

Not defending it at all. I despise any kind of violence over football and don't like any of this 'casual' element, but there are two sets of supporters in that video, and it's not clear which is which apart from the in car commentary. The guy who got hit over the head with a wooden plank was from Dublin, not Derry.

I also heard unconfirmed reports that the Rovers team bus was bricked on the way out. If true, we all know it wouldn't be the first time.

Every club has idiots, and every time something like this happens people try make it out like it's typical of supporters of that club. (Not saying you're necessarily doing that in the quoted post)

Cards on the table. I'm a Rovers fan. I've been to grounds all over the country, and further afield. I have never once been involved in any violence of any kind at any football match.

Omackeral · 08-10-2014 12:34pm

It's always them though. Whether it's someone else too, it's always them. Up in Dundalk the other week, at Bohs when the BBC documentary filmed them. They were also disgrace up at Linfield in the Setanta Cup on TV not so long ago too. Really hoped the Tallaght relaunch would have stamped all that out and to be fair, going to D24 is grand. It's when they're on the road they act up.

Not all of them obviously, nor a majority either. But there's a fair element

gimmick · 08-10-2014 12:46pm

Pedro K wrote: »

Not defending it at all. I despise any kind of violence over football and don't like any of this 'casual' element, but there are two sets of supporters in that video, and it's not clear which is which apart from the in car commentary. The guy who got hit over the head with a wooden plank was from Dublin, not Derry.

I also heard unconfirmed reports that the Rovers team bus was bricked on the way out. If true, we all know it wouldn't be the first time.

Every club has idiots, and every time something like this happens people try make it out like it's typical of supporters of that club. (Not saying you're necessarily doing that in the quoted post)

Cards on the table. I'm a Rovers fan. I've been to grounds all over the country, and further afield. I have never once been involved in any violence of any kind at any football match.

"Why always me" springs to mind.

CSF · 08-10-2014 1:19pm

To be fair, the Derry locals can be difficult enough. Rovers are obviously worse because Derry's core away support wouldn't be any hassle at all in my experience, but going up there can be a bit ropey at times.

anncoates · 08-10-2014 2:11pm

Omackeral wrote: »

at Bohs when the BBC documentary filmed them

You do realize that the documentary showed Bohs casuals attacking a pub and fighting with Rovers don't you?

Gavin "shels" · 08-10-2014 2:12pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Hopefully it's a decent day and a few neutrals come out. I'll be going anyway, enjoy the brand of football Pats play. Could Derry outnumber their fans though?!

Always thousands of neutrals at it, this will be my 10th on in a row

anncoates · 08-10-2014 2:24pm

Pedro K wrote: »

but there are two sets of supporters in that video, and it's not clear which is which apart from the in car commentary. The guy who got hit over the head with a wooden plank was from Dublin, not Derry..

All those Derry lads were waiting outside the ground after the game presumably to see if any pensioners needed to be escorted across the road and presumably their planks and bricks were for a voluntary regeneration project for a local orphanage.

Omackeral · 08-10-2014 2:32pm

anncoates wrote: »

You do realize that the documentary showed Bohs casuals attacking a pub and fighting with Rovers don't you?

My point is that Rovers are always involved, regardless of the other teams. And they hardly had those English lads over for the museums/culture either given what the programme was about.

anncoates · 08-10-2014 2:34pm

Omackeral wrote: »

And they hardly had those English lads over for the museums/culture either given what the programme was about.

What do you think Wrexham come over to Bohs for? The Book of Kells?

doncarlos · 08-10-2014 2:42pm

anncoates wrote: »

What do you think Wrexham come over to Bohs for? The Book of Kells?

Why is it anytime Rovers fans do something one of their fans always brings Bohs or somebody else in to it. It's embarrassing.

There is sporadic instances of trouble with other clubs fans granted but the vast majority of times there is trouble Rovers fans are involved.

Omackeral · 08-10-2014 2:46pm

anncoates wrote: »

What do you think Wrexham come over to Bohs for? The Book of Kells?

''But he did it too Miss!''

Fact is, ask anyone who has an idea about LOI football, even casual fans (excuse the pun) or non fans for that matter and they'll more than likely name Rovers as the most troublesome outfit.

anncoates · 08-10-2014 3:07pm

doncarlos wrote: »

Why is it anytime Rovers fans do something one of their fans always brings Bohs or somebody else in to it. It's embarrassing.

You obviously don't see the irony of Bohs supporters making generalizations about rovers supporters because of football violence when their club has one of the most active mobs in the country.

anncoates · 08-10-2014 4:48pm

Pedro K wrote: »

I also heard unconfirmed reports that the Rovers team bus was bricked on the way out. .

It was. Few windows put in apparently.

doncarlos · 08-10-2014 5:29pm

anncoates wrote: »

It was. Few windows put in apparently.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/shamrock-rovers-team-bus-attacked-as-coach-company-warns-they-may-not-travel-to-the-brandywell-again-30649428.html

Disgraceful. Thankfully no players or staff seriously hurt.

SantryRed · 08-10-2014 5:34pm

anncoates wrote: »

All those Derry lads were waiting outside the ground after the game presumably to see if any pensioners needed to be escorted across the road and presumably their planks and bricks were for a voluntary regeneration project for a local orphanage.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Hard Worker · 08-10-2014 5:48pm

SantryRed wrote: »

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Read the statement from the Derry officials. There were stones thrown at Rovers fans and they reacted. Then the bus was attacked and €4000 worth of damage done. None of those Derry stone throwers were at the match. A similar incident happened to the Derry team bus in Tallaght ( away from the ground ) on their way to the game on Sunday.

"While acknowledging that there can be problems with locals outside the ground, Derry have stated that no major incidents were reported and praised the behaviour of both sets of fans.“There were a few young locals hanging around and I think they threw some stones. Some Rovers fans approached them and there was a wee scuffle but nothing major at all. The Rovers fans were exemplary,” said Derry City’s Sean Barrett. - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/shamrock-rovers-team-bus-attacked-as-coach-company-warns-they-may-not-travel-to-the-brandywell-again-30649428.html#sthash.bfIFVjJ8.dpuf

Gavin "shels" · 08-10-2014 8:58pm

doncarlos wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/shamrock-rovers-team-bus-attacked-as-coach-company-warns-they-may-not-travel-to-the-brandywell-again-30649428.html

Disgraceful. Thankfully no players or staff seriously hurt.

Loving this:

With regards to the lack of police presence outside the ground, Barrett added: “We have our own security firm who look after everything inside the Brandywell.

“Outside the ground is fully controlled by the police.”

CSF · 08-10-2014 9:40pm

To be fair, the Brandywell is an awful place to visit on the way out. Starting to have a bit of sympathy for the Rovers fans in this rare case. The Derry locals that show up for the visit of Dublin teams (and possibly others) are a horrible bunch.

NIMAN · 08-10-2014 9:55pm

Right that you call them locals, as they are not fans.

I would bet the mortgage on those from Derry who caused bother last night weren't at the game, or any other game this season.

Plus, in all honesty, the club can't be held responsible for things that happens outside the ground, it is the polices' job to look after that. The fact that its not a welcome area for police is another matter.

dfx- · 08-10-2014 11:16pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Loving this:

Perhaps he wasn't saying it with a straight face that doesn't come across on a text medium.

CSF · 09-10-2014 10:11am

NIMAN wrote: »

Right that you call them locals, as they are not fans.

I would bet the mortgage on those from Derry who caused bother last night weren't at the game, or any other game this season.

Plus, in all honesty, the club can't be held responsible for things that happens outside the ground, it is the polices' job to look after that. The fact that its not a welcome area for police is another matter.

While I don't doubt that what you're saying is true, it isn't really relevant to the away club or their fans. Fact of the matter is, for certain clubs, travelling to Derry can be a hazardous enough venture (without wishing to go over the top either, its hardly the Belgrade derby), relatively speaking.

I know we are one of those clubs, and I'd be surprised if Shamrock Rovers weren't also.

NIMAN · 09-10-2014 3:04pm

I agree that some away fans are targeted when they visit Derry, and that's an unfortunate consequence of the stadium location (in my opinion). There are a fair few toerags in that area who love nothing more than creating bother. If the stadium was in a more neutral location it would not happen.

Same thing happened in our annual Linfield Setanta game, always caused by people who would have no interest in the game itself. Its a social problem brought to a football occasion, and its a very hard thing for a club to have any influence at all on social problems. Its a matter of law and order, and thats the police's responsibility in the end.

I don't think Derry City FC have toerags/fans who travel to away games and look for bother, unlike some other clubs in Ireland. Any Derry away fan is a genuine fan, not a hooligan.

LOI week 30 & FAI cup semi-final matches.

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