Top Gear kicked out of Argentina - World gone mad?

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

I can't prove they did nor didn't.
I believe they didn't do it on purpose (and I already said it's heavily scripted) and I don't believe they did it on purpose. See what I did there?
It's not defending a show, it's criticizing the idiotic actions of Argentina.
And I would call a war 30 years ago as the distant past.
Exactly, why would they bother stirring **** up? Clarkson is on his last chance and I seriously doubt he'd want to go and fcuk up his carrier with a number plate.

I admire your trust in Clarkson. I dont share it.

SpaceTime

People take offence at joke that's meant to be offensive -World hasn't gone mad at all

Peist2007

Peist2007 wrote: »

I didnt ask for a history lesson. I asked whether you think Argentinians are sensitive about the Falklands. And, in that context, whether fools like Clarkson and Hammond should be in their country poking fun at them about it. You dont seem to want to engage on that issue. Why?

Still waiting Gatling

DLMA23

DaDartle wrote: »

My opinions, w/o seeing the show:

1) Of course they got those plates to be inflammatory.

2) it's all scripted.

3) the lads are insufferable.

Especially Clarkson who seems to think his boorish attitude is acceptable to everyone :rolleyes:

Jawgap

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

How many Top Gear haters will now watch this show as a result of this? I'll bet a lot more than usual in which case they've gained invaluable advertising for they're show withittle effort.

I love Top Gear, I love their sense of humour and the cars they test/destroy. It's ny favourite show, having a conclusion such as being kicked out if a country only adds to the appeal of the show, can't wait.

Of course. It's great entertainment and some of the challenges are brilliant.

The genius of Clarkson is that he knows most people think he's a tw@t and he knows there is considerable entertainment value in watching him sweat, struggle, suffer etc under all sorts of conditions (even if we strongly suspect he goes to the nearest 5 Star Hotel once the cameras are off).

Watching him getting chased out of a country is going to be difficult for them to top next year.

foggy_lad

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

How many Top Gear haters will now watch this show as a result of this? I'll bet a lot more than usual in which case they've gained invaluable advertising for they're show withittle effort.

I love Top Gear, I love their sense of humour and the cars they test/destroy. It's ny favourite show, having a conclusion such as being kicked out if a country only adds to the appeal of the show, can't wait.

I doubt OFFCOM would allow any part of the show that depicts them being turfed out of the country.

THat show used to be popular when it was produced by the BBC and shown on BBC1 then repeated later in the week on BBC2 but now it appears to be only produced to boost sales of DVDs Blurays and other merchandise.

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

Still waiting Gatling

Still waiting for what exactly another lesson

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

Still waiting for what exactly another lesson

:pac:

I'll leave you be.

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

:pac:

I'll leave you be.

What's your point


I seem to remember top gear going to Iraq as part of a Christmas special .

cnocbui

Looking at some Argentine news sites, I can find no mention of any incident where the Top Gear entourage of 40 people were stoned and had to flee the country. Of course if you had paid people to simulate such an occurrence, then it would probably not be so newsworthy.

It sounds like the crew were there for a whole two weeks before they "had to" leave. I am sure the BBC is extremely fortunate that they probably managed to get almost 99% of their intended shooting done before locals noticed the insult.

You can almost imagine the production crew meeting:

"Listen guys, we have a serious problem. They haven't noticed the number plate."

"Yeah, we'll have to do something about that."

"I've had an idea..."

http://autoblog.com.ar/2014/09/top-gear-ya-esta-en-tierra-del-fuego/

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

What's your point


I seem to remember top gear going to Iraq as part of a Christmas special .

Is pretending to be completely thick your special way of sticking your head in the sand? I have asked a simple question twice.

Iraq? The issue isnt that they went to Argentina. The issue is that they went to Argentina and purposefully had a dig over a very sensitive issue. You choosing to ignore that doesnt make it any less relevant.

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

Is pretending to be completely thick your special way of sticking your head in the sand? I have asked a simple question twice.

Iraq? The issue isnt that they went to Argentina. The issue is that they went to Argentina and purposefully had a dig over a very sensitive issue. You choosing to ignore that doesnt make it any less relevant.

Where is the insensitity exactly they invade an island and got the arse kicked for there troubles and have been crying to the UN ever since .

Lesson No 3 your silly attempt at getting a reaction is pure juvenile at best .

They went to Iraq after the British military spent 10 long years killing and been killed .

But going back 30 years for an idiotic attempt to invade and hold a small island .
For there there troubles they got there ass kicked .

But that's insensitive .

But going to Iraq isn't

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

Where is the insensitity exactly they invade an island and got the arse kicked for there troubles and have been crying to the UN ever since .

Lesson No 3 your silly attempt at getting a reaction is pure juvenile at best .

So Top Gear were right to do what they did?

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

So Top Gear were right to do what they did?

And what is it that they have done?

Gatling

bear1 wrote: »

And what is it that they have done?

Apparently absolutely nothing

bear1

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently absolutely nothing

Those bastards!

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

And what is it that they have done?

Having read the same reports as you it appears they have gone to Argentina and antagonised the locals over the Falklands War. The entire premise of this thread. This circling of the issue by Top Gear fans is mad. You do realise Clarkson probably thinks you're a potato eating peasant dont you?

BBDBB

and they do it every week!

Gatling

bear1 wrote: »

Those bastards!

I know

And they were driving an American car , a German car and British car

I know

I know

It's related to world war 2 isn't it

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Having read the same reports as you it appears they have gone to Argentina and antagonised the locals over the Falklands War. The entire premise of this thread. This circling of the issue by Top Gear fans is mad. You do realise Clarkson probably thinks you're a potato eating peasant dont you?

"It appears" doesn't imply it to be fact.
I couldn't give a toss what Clarkson or anyone else would think of me... It's called having a distance to ones self.

bear1

Gatling wrote: »

I know

And they were driving an American car , a German car and British car

I know

I know

It's related to world war 2 isn't it

Ok I LOL'd at this

My name is URL

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

rightly so.if they came here displaying something that represented the e.glish killing our soldiers there would. be uproar too.even if it was just a joke

They wouldn't have the stones to do that. Much easier to be disparaging of far away lands and people who probably don't even know the show exists.

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

"It appears" doesn't imply it to be fact.
I couldn't give a toss what Clarkson or anyone else would think of me... It's called having a distance to ones self.

Yet you "+1" a post that starts with "By the sounds of it.....".

Things change when they suit your own biases dont they

BBDBB

Peist2007 wrote: »

Whether the war was correct/justified whatever is irrelevant. It is clearly a sensitive issue and the joke on Top Gear every week seems to be at the expense of whichever country the lads go to. Maybe not be little englanders all of the time?

Peist2007 wrote: »

Some people are quite defensive of their favourite show :pac:

yep peoples own biases certainly do show themselves, like those who watch a show weekly for instance.........or maybe don't, but to make a point describe the show using the terms "every week" and "all of the time"

seamus

bear1 wrote: »

Make of this what you will but I find it hard to believe that the bosses deliberately went out of their way to search for a car that has a number plate which reflects the Falklands war.

If you've ever seen Top Gear, you'd know that's exactly what they did.

If the filming had gone ahead, they would have done their utmost to make a nuisance of themselves and upset the local population. It's what they do because it's exactly the kind of thing their target demographic of 20-50 something mouth breathing imperialists loves to watch.

The police instead told them to GTFO and stop acting the cvnt, quite rightly.

Peist2007

BBDBB wrote: »

yep peoples own biases certainly do show themselves, like those who watch a show weekly for instance.........or maybe don't, but to make a point describe the show using the terms "every week" and "all of the time"

Yup syntax is the principal issue here. There cant be many straws left now lads but keep clutching :pac:

Harry Palmr

So many deniers on this thread.

BBDBB

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yup syntax is the principal issue here. There cant be many straws left now lads but keep clutching :pac:

oh I see, so do you watch the show regularly or don't you?


you see, I don't mind if you like or loathe Top Gear, genuinely I couldn't care less, but I do want to speak up about your stance as though somehow your ****e doesn't smell. You are showing just as much personal bias as those you are attacking, and that's not hidden behind any syntax, it just happens to be from a different angle and would appear to be rooted in a bias based before this particular incident.

holystungun9

KungPao wrote: »

The sinking of the Belgrano was a war crime.

Opinions?

It must have been a very big sink.

fryup

seamus wrote: »

It's what they do because it's exactly the kind of thing their target demographic of 20-50 something mouth breathing imperialists loves to watch.

.

Its one of the most popular TV shows on irish TV

The live show sold out in the RDS a few years back

Imperialists my @rse

Peist2007

BBDBB wrote: »

oh I see, so do you watch the show regularly or don't you?


you see, I don't mind if you like or loathe Top Gear, genuinely I couldn't care less, but I do want to speak up about your stance as though somehow your ****e doesn't smell. You are showing just as much personal bias as those you are attacking, and that's not hidden behind any syntax, it just happens to be from a different angle and would appear to be rooted in a bias based before this particular incident.

Completely irrelevant what my biases are. What do you think of what Top Gear and Clarkson did in Argentina?

bear1

seamus wrote: »

If you've ever seen Top Gear, you'd know that's exactly what they did.

If the filming had gone ahead, they would have done their utmost to make a nuisance of themselves and upset the local population. It's what they do because it's exactly the kind of thing their target demographic of 20-50 something mouth breathing imperialists loves to watch.

The police instead told them to GTFO and stop acting the cvnt, quite rightly.

Tell me then, how does one go about finding a car which has a number plate reflecting the war and is also a Porsche?
The filming has almost finished so the majority of it was there, but yet it took the Argentines until the end to realise something was up?
Bollocks.

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yup syntax is the principal issue here. There cant be many straws left now lads but keep clutching :pac:

Your posts get worse and worse

BBDBB

Peist2007 wrote: »

Completely irrelevant what my biases are. What do you think of what Top Gear and Clarkson did in Argentina?

how is it irrelevant?


you have taken the time and trouble to point out other peoples bias in favour of the show but wish to dismiss as irrelevant your own biases?


even though they give you the right or the desire or the ammunition as you see it, to mock and belittle those who don't share your world view.......that's almost Clarksonesque in its arrogance isn't it?

cdeb

Hoagy wrote: »

H is a 1990 reg, though.

It's a 1990/91 reg.

Specifically 1 Sept 90 to 31 Aug 91.

I always enjoy the nonsensical indignant whines of those who don't like Top Gear. "Oh my God - he almost used the n word in a scene which never aired in an everyday nursery rhyme being used for exactly the purposes most of us use it for - he's a racist!!"

Ignorant people are funny.

Peist2007

BBDBB wrote: »

how is it irrelevant?


you have taken the time and trouble to point out other peoples bias in favour of the show but wish to dismiss as irrelevant your own biases?


even though they give you the right or the desire or the ammunition as you see it, to mock and belittle those who don't share your world view.......that's almost Clarksonesque in its arrogance isn't it?

Nope, people (coincidentally those on Top Gear's side in this issue) were starting to debate the merits of the Falklands War. A clear attempt to muddy the waters of the core issue and a clear indication of the bias involved. Just like you are doing now.

What do you think of Clarkson going to Argentina and antagonising them on purpose over the Falklands War? Hint: i am not asking you to give a summary of the rights and wrongs of the Falklands War.

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

Your posts get worse and worse

And yours have been read and dismissed from the very beginning

cdeb

Peist2007 wrote: »

What do you think of Clarkson going to Argentina and antagonising them on purpose over the Falklands War?

Have you proof of this btw?

Just asking.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

It's a 1990/91 reg.

Specifically 1 Sept 90 to 31 Aug 91.

I always enjoy the nonsensical indignant whines of those who don't like Top Gear. "Oh my God - he almost used the n word in a scene which never aired in an everyday nursery rhyme being used for exactly the purposes most of us use it for - he's a racist!!"

Ignorant people are funny.

And those Burmese people being slopes. Just a laugh innit :rolleyes:

cdeb

That one was a bit naughty, I'll agree. Though if you look at the thread here, no-one commented at the time; I'd say most people had never heard the term "slope" before. Most I've mentioned it to hadn't.

People have been giving out about Top Gear being racist long before that though. Maybe you've more examples?

And tell me again how Clarkson deliberately antagonised the Argentinians?

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Nope, people (coincidentally those on Top Gear's side in this issue) were starting to debate the merits of the Falklands War. A clear attempt to muddy the waters of the core issue and a clear indication of the bias involved. Just like you are doing now.

What do you think of Clarkson going to Argentina and antagonising them on purpose over the Falklands War? Hint: i am not asking you to give a summary of the rights and wrongs of the Falklands War.

So you're saying, that the producers (Clarkson doesn't go and personally buy the car himself you know) when they went to get the car should have started staring at every piece of it to see if there is some gag they can use?
Then urreka, they spot the number plate. Giggle giggle and they decide to say "ah fcuk it, sure they wont notice" and then hope that the BBC doesn't catch wind of it and yet still manage to get across Argentina with that number plate without anyone noticing?
Clarkson said "there's a slope on it" in the Burma special, I had absolutely no inkling of the ****estorm that was going to cause but yet slope apparently means a certain type of Asian person.
If they were picked up on that and on a scene for TG were Clarkson said the N word but yet it was never released on the tv that they would not have been rumbled in Argentina with that sort of number plate?
You asked the same question over and over again (remember when I said you are going around in circles?) and you've been responded to but yet keep asking.

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

And those Burmese people being slopes. Just a laugh innit :rolleyes:

And the bridge was on a slope too .

I am pie

No one was "kicked out" of Argentina.

In the south there are lots of veterans groupings, were this was filmed. They were justifiably offended by the number plate. The veterans here have been somewhat abandoned by the current govt (vets = associated with military dictatorship, current govt = formative yrs protesting against this military govt, mortal enemies), they get low pensions and poor social services and have been cast aside and marginalised. They like a reason to make some noise and raise their profile.

It was the veterans who protested outside the hotel. They took offence, seizing upon an opportunity given to them in fairly scripted fashion to raise their profile, based on the picket outside the hotel the film crew took the decision to stop filming.

No one was "kicked out of Argentina" , they annoyed some veterans, who organised picket outside their hotel, they said "meh, we´re good here.." and left.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

Have you proof of this btw?

Just asking.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/oct/03/top-gear-argentina-jeremy-clarkson-bbc

This is what is being discussed. Seeing as there is a news story on this, thereby showing that there is some merit to what is being said, can you prove this didnt happen? Can you prove that the Guardian link above is completely false?

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

And yours have been read and dismissed from the very beginning

How exactly?

Gatling

Funny how they have been filming for 2 weeks and not a peep .

Must be sloooow taking things in Argentina

cdeb

Peist2007 wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/oct/03/top-gear-argentina-jeremy-clarkson-bbc

This is what is being discussed. Seeing as there is a news story on this, thereby showing that there is some merit to what is being said, can you prove this didnt happen? Can you prove that the Guardian link above is completely false?

Nowhere is it shown that the number plate was chosen deliberately. In fact, it quotes the BBC categorically saying the opposite.

So the link you provided fails to show he deliberately antagonised people.

You've just jumped to that conclusion because it suits your viewpoint.

Try again maybe?

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

And yours have been read and dismissed from the very beginning

cdeb wrote: »

Nowhere is it shown that the number plate was chosen deliberately. In fact, it quotes the BBC categorically saying the opposite.

So the link you provided fails to show he deliberately antagonised people.

You've just jumped to that conclusion because it suits your viewpoint.

Try again maybe?

Oh the irony

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

How exactly?

I read your comments and think: "nope" and swiftly move on. To say you are a footnote here to me is an understatement. Your faux inability to understand anything you do not agree with is childish. Anyway, dismissed

jimgoose

Sounds like the Argies could do with another hiding. :cool: