Top Gear kicked out of Argentina - World gone mad?

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

I read your comments and think: "nope" and swiftly move on. To say you are a footnote here to me is an understatement. Your faux inability to understand anything you do not agree with is childish. Anyway, dismissed

Ah you're just taking the Peist now

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

And the bridge was on a slope too .

Pathetic. It was a clear racist comment.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

That one was a bit naughty, I'll agree.

Well done :rolleyes:

jimgoose

Peist2007 wrote: »

Pathetic. It was a clear racist comment.

I think some people went out of their way to put a racist slant on the whole thing, to be honest with you.

cdeb

Peist2007 wrote: »

Well done :rolleyes:

Thank you.

Want to back up your crackpot theory that this was all done deliberately?

Maybe you've more links to articles which say it wasn't done deliberately? That always helps your case.

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

So you're saying, that the producers (Clarkson doesn't go and personally buy the car himself you know) when they went to get the car should have started staring at every piece of it to see if there is some gag they can use?
Then urreka, they spot the number plate. Giggle giggle and they decide to say "ah fcuk it, sure they wont notice" and then hope that the BBC doesn't catch wind of it and yet still manage to get across Argentina with that number plate without anyone noticing?
Clarkson said "there's a slope on it" in the Burma special, I had absolutely no inkling of the ****estorm that was going to cause but yet slope apparently means a certain type of Asian person.
If they were picked up on that and on a scene for TG were Clarkson said the N word but yet it was never released on the tv that they would not have been rumbled in Argentina with that sort of number plate?
You asked the same question over and over again (remember when I said you are going around in circles?) and you've been responded to but yet keep asking.

The above makes little sense but it seems you're saying you were on the production team in Argentina? Or is the above just a heap of nothing?

I am pie

cdeb wrote: »

That one was a bit naughty, I'll agree. Though if you look at the thread here, no-one commented at the time; I'd say most people had never heard the term "slope" before. Most I've mentioned it to hadn't.

People have been giving out about Top Gear being racist long before that though. Maybe you've more examples?

And tell me again how Clarkson deliberately antagonised the Argentinians?

Well, no is particularly offended. Most people think it was fairly weird and childish to head to the South, nr Las Malvinas and make an effort to annoy the veterans.

Then again, I always find it bizarre that people enjoy listening to Clarkson eulogising the British Empire and lamenting it's decline (as he did repeatedly during the Burma program), he's playing to his audience I suppose. I can't imagine why anyone would think that the British in Burma where some benign force.

The UK and Argentina have a long and complicated history which at least deserves to be treated with care and respect. Instead we get the giggling innuendo of these middle aged schoolchildren.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

Thank you.

Want to back up your crackpot theory that this was all done deliberately?

Maybe you've more links to articles which say it wasn't done deliberately? That always helps your case.

"Crackpot theory" lol

cdeb

So you've no proof Clarkson was deliberately winding up an entire nation?

And yet you continue to rant about it.

Pretty much defines "crackpot theory" right there.

Most of Clarkson's detractors generally seem to be several times more ignorant than they make him out to be. All quite interesting.

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

The above makes little sense but it seems you're saying you were on the production team in Argentina? Or is the above just a heap of nothing?

A heap of nothing... a bit like the reason you're getting your knickers in a twist.
The way you talk you would swear you were:

A) in the war
are Argentinian or
C) A keyboard warrior - I'd probably choose this one

I am pie

cdeb wrote: »

Nowhere is it shown that the number plate was chosen deliberately. In fact, it quotes the BBC categorically saying the opposite.

So the link you provided fails to show he deliberately antagonised people.

You've just jumped to that conclusion because it suits your viewpoint.

Try again maybe?

You honestly believe that? It was a coincidence it contained FLK and reference to 1982? I'd say the odds or somewhat against that combo occurring...in the realm of many many millions to one!

I'd say you are chosing to be naive.

Peist2007

jimgoose wrote: »

I think some people went out of their way to put a racist slant on the whole thing, to be honest with you.

Maybe those Burmese just need a good kicking like the Argentinians?

Well the old Top Gear stereotype has some merit, lots of knuckles being dragged on this thread. Depressing for a friday afternoon so i'm out

Gatling

The FALKLANDS

Don't they teach anything in schools anymore.

cdeb

I am pie wrote: »

You honestly believe that? It was a coincidence it contained FLK and reference to 1982? I'd say the odds or somewhat against that combo occurring...in the realm of many many millions to one!

I'd say you are chosing to be naive.

Thing is, this is all the detractors have to go on. "You honestly believe...?"

Not really enough grounds to suggest a person was deliberately antagonising a nation and deserved to be stoned.

Just looking for some proof of the statements being made is all. I'm sure you'll agree that "Do you honestly believe...?" isn't proof.

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Maybe those Burmese just need a good kicking like the Argentinians?

Well the old Top Gear stereotype has some merit, lots of knuckles being dragged on this thread. Depressing for a friday afternoon so i'm out

Oh no :rolleyes:

cdeb

bear1 wrote: »

Oh no :rolleyes:

At least they answered the questions we were directly asking.

Oh no, wait...

jimgoose

Peist2007 wrote: »

Maybe those Burmese just need a good kicking like the Argentinians?...

What have you got against the Burmese?? They're a gentle, cultured people with wonderful food and a very interesting history.

bear1

I did a Google translate to see if there are any articles in Spanish about it and so far found only this one:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/18170187/Top-Gear-nos-provoca-por-Malvinas.html

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

Nowhere is it shown that the number plate was chosen deliberately. In fact, it quotes the BBC categorically saying the opposite.

So the link you provided fails to show he deliberately antagonised people.

You've just jumped to that conclusion because it suits your viewpoint.

Try again maybe?

Ah the BBC denied it. I see. Nothing more to see here. So you're going with the massive coincidence angle then :pac:

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Ah the BC denied it. I see. Nothing more to see here. So you're going with the massive coincidence angle then :pac:

Thought you fcuked off?

I am pie

Lol at Clarkson's fanboys looking for a reason to be outraged!

They kicked us out!...they need another hiding!! Harrrumph.

For the slow learners. No one was "kicked out".

They annoyed some veterans, the veterans picketed their hotel. They took their ball and decided to go home. It was viewed as a good thing that they were coming.

Now people are sort of scratching their heads and wondering what that was all about. No diplomatic incident, not big news. Just an "odd news" type story.

Takes all sorts I suppose.

cdeb

Peist2007 wrote: »

Ah the BBC denied it. I see. Nothing more to see here. So you're going with the massive coincidence angle then :pac:

I asked for you to back up your statement. You gave me a link which didn't back up your statement. So I asked you to back up your statement again.

Not really rocket science, this.

Making up your own version of events is quite ignorant, don't you agree?

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

I asked for you to back up your statement. You gave me a link which didn't back up your statement. So I asked you to back up your statement again.

Not really rocket science, this.

Making up your own version of events is quite ignorant, don't you agree?

Lol. Never realised ANYONE could be a mod here.

I am pie

bear1 wrote: »

I did a Google translate to see if there are any articles in Spanish about it and so far found only this one:

http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/18170187/Top-Gear-nos-provoca-por-Malvinas.html

It's in lots of reliable places. Of course, you have picked a blog. Taringa is kind social media/blog.

Would you like to see some newspaper articles?

jimgoose

I am pie wrote: »

Lol at Clarkson's fanboys looking for a reason to be outraged!

They kicked us out!...they need another hiding!! Harrrumph.

For the slow learners. No one was "kicked out".

They annoyed some veterans, the veterans picketed their hotel. They took their ball and decided to go home. It was viewed as a good thing that they were coming.

Now people are sort of scratching their heads and wondering what that was all about. No diplomatic incident, not big news. Just an "odd news" type story.

Takes all sorts I suppose.

From the article linked to in the original post: "The cast and crew of TV's Top Gear had to abandon their cars at the roadside and flee Argentina after being pelted with stones by an angry crowd."

So. What we appear to have is JC and the crew doing their usual juvenile messing, and being met with physical violence from a mob of some description. And do excuse me for being a bit thick, what would you expect from a TG watcher. And I'm actually more of a James May fanboy. :pac:

Peist2007

I am pie wrote: »

It's in lots of reliable places. Of course, you have picked a blog. Taringa is kind social media/blog.

Would you like to see some newspaper articles?

Make sure you find one with plenty of pictures :pac:

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

Lol. Never realised ANYONE could be a mod here.

Seriously what is your problem here? Are you pissed off because some of us don't believe in your opinion? Or "fact" as you think it is.
I find it hard to believe it was done on purpose (if it turns out it was then I'd correct myself immediately) but you also have to look at the other side of the coin, what if it was a coincidence?

bear1

I am pie wrote: »

It's in lots of reliable places. Of course, you have picked a blog. Taringa is kind social media/blog.

Would you like to see some newspaper articles?

How should I know it's a blog?
Send them on, doesn't bother me.

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

Make sure you find one with plenty of pictures :pac:

Your posts go down quicker than an argentine cruiser

cdeb

I am pie wrote: »

In the south there are lots of veterans groupings, were this was filmed. They were justifiably offended by the number plate.

Just looking back over the last page or two and see I've consistently ignored your posts. Wasn't intentional; apologies! In fairness, it's interesting to see some local insight (assuming your location is genuine )

I don't think it can be argued that the veterans were "justifiable" offended though. I'm sure 982 isn't a number sequence skipped over in Argentinian reg plates, for example.

I also think it's far too easy for army people to be offended (or to be accused of offending army people). These are guys who, generally, are ordered into an area to go and kill people, and rarely is there ever discussion tolerated as to whether they were right to do so (I'm talking in general here; not just the Falklands)

The world would be a whole lot better if people could stand up and say "You know what? We're wrong in this war. We should hold our hands up, admit it and back out"

Instead, we get people "justifiably offended" by a car reg. Doesn't really facilitate rational thinking approaches to problems, does it?

I am pie

cdeb wrote: »

Thing is, this is all the detractors have to go on. "You honestly believe...?"

Not really enough grounds to suggest a person was deliberately antagonising a nation and deserved to be stoned.

Just looking for some proof of the statements being made is all. I'm sure you'll agree that "Do you honestly believe...?" isn't proof.

I am not suggesting he was trying to antagonise a nation. He was playing to the braying fools in the cheap seats.

I'll rephrase, as you seem to be struggling with the basic concepts of probability.

The chances of this number plate being coincidentally chosen are billions to 1. I chose to side with mathmatical probability rather than inanely clinging to the "what, no..err, I never noticed" angle.

I will enjoy returning to laugh at you when the filming and innuendo contained therein confirms.

BBDBB

Peist2007 wrote: »

Nope, people (coincidentally those on Top Gear's side in this issue) were starting to debate the merits of the Falklands War. A clear attempt to muddy the waters of the core issue and a clear indication of the bias involved. Just like you are doing now.

What do you think of Clarkson going to Argentina and antagonising them on purpose over the Falklands War? Hint: i am not asking you to give a summary of the rights and wrongs of the Falklands War.

Im sincerely not trying to muddy the waters, however I am pointing out your own bias to you as being less than helpful to your argument when you start to sling the biased accusation towards others. If you cant take that as an objective piece of information without slinging it back my way then I think you need to reconsider exactly what it is you find so objectionable about Clarkson & co.


My view is that the show has form for using number plates and strategic sign writing on doors that slide open on a few occasions in the past. Its certainly not a weekly occurrence from what Ive seen. If you are a weekly viewer then perhaps you've seen differently. So that suggests to me but doesn't prove an intent to antagonise.


Id also offer that I doubt whether the presenters actually chose the specific number plate, that's more likely to be someone junior in their production office to source vehicles for them. That person may or may not have attempted to mimic the previous "jokes" but I don't think anyone here can judge whether there was intent or not, its equally likely that some people are reading into the number plate something that isn't there.
In that case if you were one of the presenters would you necessarily look at the number plate? let alone spot the reference?


Id like some additional information, before being absolutely certain, specifically,
1) what were the number plates of the other two cars? If they also contained a feasible reference then I think they were deliberately attempting to antagonise and so got exactly the reaction and publicity they were seeking. If the other two cars don't show a possible reference to the Falklands war then its more likely that it was a coincidence that was misinterpreted
2) Is there any film of the presenters referring to the number plate? or any commentary that suggests its a deliberate act?
3) From what I have seen, they tend to buy cars for these ventures based on a criteria or smallish budget so they can bash them about and customise them, that seems more of a criteria to them than what plate it has


Someone earlier used the phrase plausible deniability, I think until any additional evidence comes to light then I think this has it. Regardless, to kick them out of the country seems an excessive reaction to me but then Im biased ;-)

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

Seriously what is your problem here? Are you pissed off because some of us don't believe in your opinion? Or "fact" as you think it is.
I find it hard to believe it was done on purpose (if it turns out it was then I'd correct myself immediately) but you also have to look at the other side of the coin, what if it was a coincidence?

I am not pissed off at all. There is a news story at the moment where this is alleged to have happened. Asking someone sitting in Ireland for proof who has read the story like everyone else is retarded. And, for a mod, i would expect a little more in terms of debating skills. I am perfectly entitled to read this story and comment on it.

You seem to think that the BBC denial means nothing took place? You do realise that Top Gear is a BBC show dont you?

bear1

I am pie wrote: »

I am not suggesting he was trying to antagonise a nation. He was playing to the braying fools in the cheap seats.

I'll rephrase, as you seem to be struggling with the basic concepts of probability.

The chances of this number plate being coincidentally chosen are billions to 1. I chose to side with mathmatical probability rather than inanely clinging to the "what, no..err, I never noticed" angle.

I will enjoy returning to laugh at you when the filming and innuendo contained therein confirms.

And how are you reaching this mathematical ratio?

FunLover18

Not bothered reading the whole thread but it seems like an overreaction. If Argentina were that sensitive why don't they ban registrations with '82' in them. God forbid anybody with an Irish car from that year pay a visit.

Edit: The 'FKL' went over my head

I am pie

cdeb wrote: »

Just looking back over the last page or two and see I've consistently ignored your posts. Wasn't intentional; apologies! In fairness, it's interesting to see some local insight (assuming your location is genuine )

I don't think it can be argued that the veterans were "justifiable" offended though. I'm sure 982 isn't a number sequence skipped over in Argentinian reg plates, for example.

I also think it's far too easy for army people to be offended (or to be accused of offending army people). These are guys who, generally, are ordered into an area to go and kill people, and rarely is there ever discussion tolerated as to whether they were right to do so (I'm talking in general here; not just the Falklands)

The world would be a whole lot better if people could stand up and say "You know what? We're wrong in this war. We should hold our hands up, admit it and back out"

Instead, we get people "justifiably offended" by a car reg. Doesn't really facilitate rational thinking approaches to problems, does it?

I don't believe the British have any intention for apologising for attacking Argentina in the 19th century, any more than the Argentines have for attacking Las Malvinas in the 20th century.

I support the Argentine claim for possession of the islands, but this is not the place nor the time for that.

Stojkovic

Anyone who thinks that this wasnt another deliberate Clarkson stunt is seriously deluded.

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

Your posts go down quicker than an argentine cruiser

Top Gear stereotypical viewer alert :pac:

cdeb

I am pie wrote: »

The chances of this number plate being coincidentally chosen are billions to 1. I chose to side with mathmatical probability rather than inanely clinging to the "what, no..err, I never noticed" angle.

Mathematically unlikely doesn't equal impossible. It's quite dangerous to say the one course of events is mathematically unlikely, therefore must be wrong (as the case of Lucia de Berk shows)

I think people choosing to be offended by a car reg are as bad as those believing it's the most heinous thing ever. It doesn't bother whether it was deliberate or not. But I'm not going to go believing it was deliberate - because.

bear1

Peist2007 wrote: »

I am not pissed off at all. There is a news story at the moment where this is alleged to have happened. Asking someone sitting in Ireland for proof who has read the story like everyone else is retarded. And, for a mod, i would expect a little more in terms of debating skills. I am perfectly entitled to read this story and comment on it.

You seem to think that the BBC denial means nothing took place? You do realise that Top Gear is a BBC show dont you?

When have I said the BBC have denied everything?
You are entitled to your opinion just as I and others are entitled to theirs, no matter if they are stupid or not.
Your posts are antagonising and as the Mod already said your links provide no facts or anything for you to base your opinion that this was an intentional act.
Asking me stupid questions like "you do realise that Top Gear is a BBC show don't you?" further proves me point about you.

jimgoose

Stojkovic wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that this wasnt another deliberate Clarkson stunt is seriously deluded.

I'm waiting for him to trundle through Berlin standing up in the rear of a 1937 convertible Mercedes-Benz W150! :pac:

Gatling

Peist2007 wrote: »

Top Gear stereotypical viewer alert :pac:

Unlike the daily fail reader

I am pie

bear1 wrote: »

And how are you reaching this mathematical ratio?

Are you denying that the probability of a 3 letter, 3 digit combination being used by a british film crew in a particular region of Argentina with a concentration of veterans on a car used for filming (as opposed to any of the other 40 to 50 vehicles!), and used by the most polemical presenter DOESNT run into the millions, billions, what ever...the chances are miniscule.

Still, bias will do funny things to a man's potential to be logical.

Do you need some help with probability theory? I can probably dig out some websites for you.....

cdeb

bear1 wrote: »

And how are you reaching this mathematical ratio?

In fairness, the odds are 1 in 10*10*10*26*26*26 = 1 in 17,576,000

But that's just of something with 982FKL. People would have gotten offended at lots of combinations of letters* - FAL, for exampls. FDS. Let's say the F is required at the start, and the numbers are required. Let's say any of three letters could do the trick in the second and third slot. Then you've got odds of in in just under 2 million.

Proof of deliberateness? No.

Could it have been done deliberately? Of course.

Could it have been a case of seeing a reg first and then deciding to go to Argentina with the car? Quite possible.

Is it a big issue? No. Anyone offended by this needs a dose of reality, I think.


* - source - that minister guy did get offended at different combinations of numbers, clearly by making up conspiracy theories to suit his own views.

Peist2007

bear1 wrote: »

Your posts are antagonising .

You have tried your best too in fairness. I am not sure pity was your desired reaction though

Fratton Fred

This was juvenile from top gear, as you'd expect. No where near as juvenile as the way the Argentines have conducted their "claim" over the past few years.

Respect to the Argentine veterans who fought in the war and those that lost loved ones, but meh, the nation deserves to have the fact that the Falklands aren't theirs rubbed in their faces.

Peist2007

Gatling wrote: »

Unlike the daily fail reader

Have never read the Daily Mail. Your reality is skewed.

bear1

I am pie wrote: »

Are you denying that the probability of a 3 letter, 3 digit combination being used by a british film crew in a particular region of Argentina with a concentration of veterans on a car used for filming (as opposed to any of the other 40 to 50 vehicles!), and used by the most polemical presenter DOESNT run into the millions, billions, what ever...the chances are miniscule.

Still, bias will do funny things to a man's potential to be logical.

Do you need some help with probability theory? I can probably dig out some websites for you.....

Dig them out, I already asked you for links to the story in Spanish and I'm still waiting. You can then explain to me all you want about the random theories and stochastic processes all you want.
You seem to have knowledge that the other 40/50 cars there had "normal" number plates. Can you send me a link that shows all the other number plates?
As another poster said, if the other 2 cars (as these are the only cars that matter in the show) have plates referring to the war as well then I'd say it was a deliberate thing done by the show.
If normal plates then I would say it is merely a coincidence.

JONJO THE MISER

Delighted, hate that show and them guys.
Acting jack the lads at there age, idiots.

I am pie

cdeb wrote: »

Mathematically unlikely doesn't equal impossible. It's quite dangerous to say the one course of events is mathematically unlikely, therefore must be wrong (as the case of Lucia de Berk shows)

I think people choosing to be offended by a car reg are as bad as those believing it's the most heinous thing ever. It doesn't bother whether it was deliberate or not. But I'm not going to go believing it was deliberate - because.

Lets agree on statistically extremely unlikely ?

You are being deliberately disengenuous.

"People" = War veterans. Slightly understandable they were upset, I would argue.

They could have driven around in Buenos Aires all day long and got nothing more than a few funny looks, but that wouldnt make good TV.

SIlly stunt which backfired, Argentina on the whole shrugs it's shoulders and scratches it's head.

No one was kicked out, they packed up I now understand after some stones were thrown at the cars, which is also a bit daft.

Again, mostly the impression here is that they were childish and it's a shame they couldnt have made more emphasis on the shared history of the 2 countries rather than annoying some tired old veterans.