Top Gear kicked out of Argentina - World gone mad?

cdeb

Yup, all that money goes to Top Gear. And none of what they make goes to the BBC at all.

Rational arguments don't seem to be your forte, do they?

A Dub in Glasgo

cdeb wrote: »

Rational arguments don't seem to be your forte, do they?

Just fitting in here with your posts

cdeb

Deep.

Just as a general aside, it is funny how Top Gear - more than any other show - polarises opinion. And how often neither side (but particularly, in my biased opinion, the ante Top Gear side) is capable of actual rational thought when talking about it. Defending your own existing biases is more important than truth at times. Bit of a microcosm of the problems of the world right there.

A Dub in Glasgo

My then 12 year old son watched TC all the time for about 3 years as he loved cars, I watched with him a few years ago and shrieked with embarrassment at some of their capers.

Can you provide any evidence that TC subsidise the TV licence fee?

Gatling

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

My then 12 year old son watched TC all the time for about 3 years as he loved cars, I watched with him a few years ago and shrieked with embarrassment at some of their capers.

Can you provide any evidence that TC subsidise the TV licence fee?

Count yourself and your son lucky your not paying a tv licence here then .

A Dub in Glasgo

Gatling wrote: »

Count yourself and your son lucky your not paying a tv licence here then .

Why? your licence fee doesn't go towards paying for TC

Gatling

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Why? your licence fee doesn't go towards paying for TC

No it goes to the late late show

A Dub in Glasgo

Ah, but I miss the Late Late Show

cdeb

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Can you provide any evidence that TC subsidise the TV licence fee?

What, apart from the fact*, which I've already mentioned, that it's one of the BBC's most profitable shows? Do you really not understand how a show which brings millions in to the BBC isn't a drain on the licence fee?


* - source: Google 'bbc most profitable show". You should get results citing Doctor Who, Top Gear and, bizarrely, the Teletubbies. I can't really post links that easily from the mobile

A Dub in Glasgo

cdeb wrote: »

What, apart from the fact*, which I've already mentioned, that it's one of the BBC's most profitable shows? Do you really not understand how a show which brings millions in to the BBC isn't a drain on the licence fee?

so you mentioned it must mean it is true, that is some logic :pac:

cdeb

Eh, no. I directed you to a world of articles confirming it. Go on, try the Google I suggested. Our are you too ignorant to actually research a viewpoint which might differ to your own? So ignorant that you actually deleted the source I have when you quoted my post, and then suggested I had no source?

When you do that Google source, come back to me. Otherwise, good night.

A Dub in Glasgo

No I am not ignorant, I do not research on behalf of others

Timberrrrrrrr

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

No I am not ignorant, I do not research on behalf of others

What a moronic post.

BBDBB

Following your logic DiG, you seem to be saying that the BBC only funds the production of its TV and Radio output solely through the revenue gained from the license payer, surely you see that is impossible and doesn't make sense given the large sums of money it takes to produce, film, broadcast and fund

Top Gear makes the BBC millions, they sell the versions we see around the world and they are translated into a dozen languages or more. They have also franchised the format to allow countries like Germany, Australia, Russia and a few others to make their own version of the show using the same format.

The production of all the BBC material is supported by these sales and those of other shows like Dr Who, Downton Abbey, Teletubbies, Strictly and a whole host of quiz show formats. Its what keeps the licence fee down in price. You aren't supporting Top Gear production, Top Gear is supporting the production of the shows you do like.

Jawgap

According to BBC Worldwide - Top Gear is one of their five top brands.

On a turnover of just over stg£1 billion, BBC Worldwide made a profit of stg£157 million in 2013/14. It also returned stg£173 million to it's owner - the Beeb.

As a brand Top Gear no doubt contributed significantly - it also has tie ups with Microsoft and the Top Gear Magazine is the top selling motoring magazine in the UK, while 'Top Gear: The Perfect Road Trip' was the UK’s best-selling TV DVD of 2013.

I think it's fair to say that the programme / brand is 'washing its face' and that after this stunt it will be even more valuable given the likely audience interest.

The_Captain

The Backwards Man wrote: »

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:pac:

whisky_galore

Ardillaun wrote: »

If RTE pulled a similar stunt in Warrington or Birmingham there would be widespread and justifiable outrage. Nobody can say how things would work out but I imagine Dave would have to make some sort of statement.

If you go to any country in this world and mock those killed in conflict, you will have a problem.

They went up against their German counterparts and did a Battle Of Britain skit, it was a little cringy, but didn't see the Germans making a big deal out of it....they appeared to be slightly embarrassed if anything. The 'slope' comment in Burma was out of order imo. Prepared to give TG the benefit of the doubt in Argentina, think is was a genuine blooper that wasn't spotted.

jimgoose

whisky_galore wrote: »

They went up against their German counterparts and did a Battle Of Britain skit, it was a little cringy, but didn't see the Germans making a big deal out of it....they appeared to be slightly embarrassed if anything...

Was that the one with the old Bentley with the Spitfire engine versus the black thing with a forty-something litre BMW engine out of a Luftwaffe bomber? I though the German fella was having a grand time, and was a bigger head-case than JC! :pac:

bear1

jimgoose wrote: »

Was that the one with the old Bentley with the Spitfire engine versus the black thing with a forty-something litre BMW engine out of a Luftwaffe bomber? I though the German fella was having a grand time, and was a bigger head-case than JC! :pac:

I think the poster is talking about the TG verses the German version of TG.
Where they arrived in Spitfires and landed in Belgium.

jimgoose

bear1 wrote: »

I think the poster is talking about the TG verses the German version of TG.
Where they arrived in Spitfires and landed in Belgium.

That makes sense. The Battle of Britain is exactly the type of slapstick physical humour that gets the Germans chuckling. :pac::pac::pac:

whisky_galore

bear1 wrote: »

I think the poster is talking about the TG verses the German version of TG.
Where they arrived in Spitfires and landed in Belgium.

That's the one.

Think the Germans have had enough ribbing of the John Cleese/Fawlty Towers variety from the uk they're probably used to that now.

Gatling

Topgear battle of Britain


Top Gear vs The Germans Part 1 - Double Decker Ra…: http://youtu.be/n5xd97HeY70

bear1

There was also the TG UK against the TG OZ episode where they both ripped the ****e out of each other with jokes.
No complaints from either. Argentines need to get a sense of humour.

mariaalice

What ever about the ins and outs of the incident, its pandering to a certain sort of British mentality and has the potential to be dangerous, the second world war ended over 60 years ago and the falklands war over 25 year ago.

whisky_galore

bear1 wrote: »

There was also the TG UK against the TG OZ episode where they both ripped the ****e out of each other with jokes.
No complaints from either. Argentines need to get a sense of humour.

Well the Aussie and uk roughousing sense of humour compliment each other, they have been slagging each other off for donkeys years over cricket.

Fratton Fred

mariaalice wrote: »

What ever about the ins and outs of the incident, its pandering to a certain sort of British mentality and has the potential to be dangerous, the second world war ended over 60 years ago and the falklands war over 25 year ago.

It's not so much British mentality, more the sense of humour.

The Germans "get it" because it is similar to their own. The thing with the British and the Germans, is that they can take it as well as they give it.

The Falklands war may have ended a long time ago, but the fact the Argentinians have recently decided to make a big deal of it again (and have been hugely embarrassing about the whole thing) makes it fun to give them a dig or two.

whisky_galore

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's not so much British mentality, more the sense of humour.

The Germans "get it" because it is similar to their own. The thing with the British and the Germans, is that they can take it as well as they give it.

The Falklands war may have ended a long time ago, but the fact the Argentinians have recently decided to make a big deal of it again (and have been hugely embarrassing about the whole thing) makes it fun to give them a dig or two.

Doubt if they found the TG skit funny, think there were a few strained, polite put-on smiles, but Germans generally do enjoy the more 'out there' Brit com like Monty Python. A Falklands joke, if it were intended which I very much doubt, would have been too close to the bone given recent stirrings about it.

Jawgap

The TG Battle of Britain skit worked because of the 'mythos' surrounding the events - radar, the Bf109 -v- the Spitfire, the Few etc.

Doubt it would have been as funny (or the Germans had been as willing to join in the joke) if it involved Operation Thunderclap - the firebombing of Dresden, or Operation Gomorrah - the firebombing of Hamburg!

I wonder if the 'guys' would have been as willing to participate if the Germans came up with a segment whereby the British Top Gear Team are surprised and then chased by German cars driving through the Ardennes. They could give Jeremy et al say a 12 hour head start to the coast - giving them sufficient time to arrange an evacuation off the beach as the Germans bear down on them - maybe they could film it at Dunquerque - then, like in Argentina - they could be whipped to safety in the nick of time, leaving the heavy gear behind!

I wonder if TG would find that as funny........

mariaalice

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's not so much British mentality, more the sense of humour.

The Germans "get it" because it is similar to their own. The thing with the British and the Germans, is that they can take it as well as they give it.

The Falklands war may have ended a long time ago, but the fact the Argentinians have recently decided to make a big deal of it again (and have been hugely embarrassing about the whole thing) makes it fun to give them a dig or two.

To me its the kind of 'humour' that apples to the type of football fans that would go to a England v Germany match with blow up spitfires or vote for Nigel Farage .

Jawgap

Jawgap wrote: »

The TG Battle of Britain skit worked because of the 'mythos' surrounding the events - radar, the Bf109 -v- the Spitfire, the Few etc.

Doubt it would have been as funny (or the Germans had been as willing to join in the joke) if it involved Operation Thunderclap - the firebombing of Dresden, or Operation Gomorrah - the firebombing of Hamburg!

I wonder if the 'guys' would have been as willing to participate if the Germans came up with a segment whereby the British Top Gear Team are surprised and then chased by German cars driving through the Ardennes. They could give Jeremy et al say a 12 hour head start to the coast - giving them sufficient time to arrange an evacuation off the beach as the Germans bear down on them - maybe they could film it at Dunquerque - then, like in Argentina - they could be whipped to safety in the nick of time, leaving the heavy gear behind!

I wonder if TG would find that as funny........

I don't think they'd find it funny so much as they'd want to take part in it.

Fratton Fred

mariaalice wrote: »

To me its the kind of 'humour' that apples to the type of football fans that would go to a England v Germany match with blow up spitfires or vote for Nigel Farage .

Maybe. But that is probably due to your own prejudices.

twowheelsonly

bear1 wrote: »

Tell me then, how does one go about finding a car which has a number plate reflecting the war and is also a Porsche?
The filming has almost finished so the majority of it was there, but yet it took the Argentines until the end to realise something was up?
Bollocks.

Gatling wrote: »

Funny how they have been filming for 2 weeks and not a peep .

Must be sloooow taking things in Argentina

Bear in mind that the vast majority of the population where they were filming don't speak English and, even for those that do, the islands would be known as Islas Malvinas so FLK (or even the word Falklands) wouldn't be immediately apparent to them.

I still believe 100% that it was deliberate. I have no doubt that somebody spotted that plate at some stage and took note of it for future reference. People such as Photographers and Film Location Managers and probably thousands more do the same thing every day.

Spook_ie

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Bear in mind that the vast majority of the population where they were filming don't speak English and, even for those that do, the islands would be known as Islas Malvinas so FLK (or even the word Falklands) wouldn't be immediately apparent to them.

I still believe 100% that it was deliberate. I have no doubt that somebody spotted that plate at some stage and took note of it for future reference. People such as Photographers and Film Location Managers and probably thousands more do the same thing every day.

So really they should have looked for the plate V1NAS, shame it's on a Yaris not a Porsche or maybe M4LVS but then again its a VW Bora not a Porsche

Best ones though would have been surely to go for W1NNR on a Range Rover or ARG1E on a Mercedes 220


EDIT £400 reserve price would get you BTR15H

suicide_circus

Professional trolls get called out on their shenanigans and get a nice bit of publicity into the bargain. The end.

cdeb

Spook_ie wrote: »

So really they should have looked for the plate V1NAS

This one has the additional, and clearly maliciously deliberate, put "V1"

Peist2007

Lol. Looks like your heroes may not have been shafted by a massive coincidence after all :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/09/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-argentina-number-plates_n_5957182.html

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/jeremy-clarkson-might-have-broken-licence-plate-laws-on-top-gears-argentine-misadventure-30644418.html

whisky_galore

Jesus, this bit is a bit of a stretch of the (morbid) imagination though...

'The plates on the cars used by Clarkson’s fellow presenters James May and Richard Hammond also aroused suspicions in Argentina. The plate on May’s Lotus contained the number 646, which Juan Manuel Romano, an official in the province of Ushuaia, suggested could be a reference to the 649 Argentinean dead in the Falklands conflict. He noted that Hammond’s Ford Mustang had 269 in its plate, close to the 255 losses suffered by the British.'

Peist2007

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, this bit is a bit of a stretch of the (morbid) imagination though...

'The plates on the cars used by Clarkson’s fellow presenters James May and Richard Hammond also aroused suspicions in Argentina. The plate on May’s Lotus contained the number 646, which Juan Manuel Romano, an official in the province of Ushuaia, suggested could be a reference to the 649 Argentinean dead in the Falklands conflict. He noted that Hammond’s Ford Mustang had 269 in its plate, close to the 255 losses suffered by the British.'

Fact remains the falklands number plate was done on purpose. The boys had bought a couple of novelty number plates for their trip. They just never got to show off their brilliantly funny "bellend" one.

cdeb

Ah yes. That notorious anti-Argentinian jibe "bellend"

Not entirely sure what the point is tbh.

The Diabolical Monocle

cdeb wrote: »

Ah That notorious argentinian jibe "bellend"

Not entirely sure what the point is tbh.

That a professional troll had recently discovered the hilarity of funny number plates.

And was then found in a country which had a conflict with said trolls country in 1982, with a number plate numbered H982.

Its Only Ray Parlour

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

That a professional troll had recently discovered the hilarity of funny number plates.

And was then found in a country which had a conflict with said trolls country in 1982, with a number plate numbered H982.

Internet trolls are exclusively an internet phenomenon.

cdeb

On the subject of hilarious number plates, I was passed out a couple of years ago by a car with the reg "AR53OLE"

Had a chuckle at that one.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

Ah yes. That notorious anti-Argentinian jibe "bellend"

Not entirely sure what the point is tbh.

I know you dont want to consider it but i'll tell you: the novelty numberplate in the boot of the offending car pushes the likelihood of Clarkson's coincidence excuse being true into the stratosphere. Admit it: your stance in relation to this incident was foolhardy. It was all intentional

cdeb

Of course it does. The fact that the one has nothing to with the other is neither here nor there.

Peist2007

cdeb wrote: »

Of course it does. The fact that the one has nothing to with the other is neither here nor there.

:pac:

Expected no less.

A Dub in Glasgo

To be fair 'bellend' is a very apt number plate for Clarkson

Wompa1

Having read a lot of Clarksons stuff, he's a Xenophobic arsehole. Of course it was done on purpose. If it was any old show on Sky 1 or whatever, you'd still think they are arseholes but you wouldn't mind so much...the fact it's on BBC and is being funded by the Brits themselves makes the whole thing all the more seedy....it's mad that they keep getting away with those sort of craic...

Fratton Fred

Heaven forbid the country that, to mark the 30th anniversary of the war, renamed its football league "the cruiser, General Belgrano football league" gets offended by a comment made by the BBC.

cdeb

I did not know that. That's amazing!

Really hard to see how you can rationally consider a conflict or a political problem when you live in an environment like that.

Gatling

So it took them a week to find a plate with bellend on it in an abandoned car .


Not the smartest of people are they .