What is a safe creatine supplement for bodybuilding

Infernal Racket

I've been doing a lot of gym work using reasonably heavy weights for my standard. I've been using a whey protein for about 6 months and have decided to step it up a little bit. I've decided to give creatine a go for a month and was wondering can anyone give me some good advice about which form of creatine I should use for safety and maximum results. There are many different types available in health shops etc but I'm looking for feedback on what's the best for a first time user like me. Thanks folks

puntosporting

Monohydrate and as cheap as you can buy it!
Just lob some into your whey shake!
Its safe!

kumate_champ07

I always get Creapure, its plain creatine monohydrate but highest purity sold under different brand names. (I think it comes from a manufacturing lab in Germany)
most creatine monohydrate today is high quality

Infernal Racket

puntosporting wrote: »

Monohydrate and as cheap as you can buy it!
Just lob some into your whey shake!
Its safe!

Do you throw it in with your protein shake and take it post work-out?

Alf Veedersane

Gerry G wrote: »

Do you throw it in with your protein shake and take it post work-out?

Doesn't really matter if you take it before or after but that is an option.

Blacktie.

Gerry G wrote: »

Do you throw it in with your protein shake and take it post work-out?

It's not a post or pre workout. You're building up creatine levels over time and then just topping up what you lose from workouts after your levels hit 100%.

GerSmith

I got great benefits from the traditional approach to taking the basic creatine monohydrate (avail via myprotein).

load phase
maintenance phase

and take for 6 weeks.

endacl

Steak.

Blacktie.

endacl wrote: »

Steak.

Don't you need about 5kg of red meat a day to get the same amount as one small scoop from mono?

abstrakt82

creatine monohydrate, the powder form is cheaper than the pills in general too

Dtp1979

Does creatine not just bloat you up with water weight or does it actually increase muscle size?

abstrakt82

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Does creatine not just bloat you up with water weight or does it actually increase muscle size?

i think the science is that it draws water into the muscle at a cellular level, so it doesn't cause bloating

bodybuilding .com/fun/dimaggio2.htm

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Greenmachine

Personally never liked creatine myself. Never saw any gains from it, 1 a day was well past confortable.

Dtp1979

abstrakt82 wrote: »

i think the science is that it draws water into the muscle at a cellular level, so it doesn't cause bloating

bodybuilding .com/fun/dimaggio2.htm

remove the space

Link not working.
Does that mean that once you stop using it that you decrease muscle size?

abstrakt82

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Link not working.
Does that mean that once you stop using it that you decrease muscle size?

you have to remove the space between the dot and com, i can't post links yet

why would you stop taking creatine?

Dtp1979

abstrakt82 wrote: »

you have to remove the space between the dot and com, i can't post links yet

why would you stop taking creatine?

I don't know. I had to stop taking whey on my doctors advice. He said nobody should be taking it but that's another story.
I'm just wondering about creatine. You hear so many stories about it. If it's only artificially pumping up muscle with water then why bother. If it's building muscle properly the sure, I'd give it a go

abstrakt82

well i think its scientifically proven to make you stronger, so in that case its not really an artificial build up of muscles.

don't know why you should stop taking whey either, as its just a byproduct of cheese. Ok I am not a doctor, but i'd like to hear his reasons for saying you shouldn't take it, as I'm pretty sure he's not a nutritionist.

TBH i've found doctors in this country weird in general when it comes to the subject of lifting weights, I remember my mother trying to discourage me my whole life from working out because the doctor told her it wasn't good for me, would stunt my growth, and all the other nonsense you generally hear.

Now, at 32 years old, compared to a hell of a lot of my peers, I am in much better shape and a lot healthier than them, so am glad i didn't listen to my mother or her doctor

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

If it's only artificially pumping up muscle with water then why bother. If it's building muscle properly the sure, I'd give it a go

It does neither.

It allows for more ATP availability in the body which should allow more muscular force in contractions. You still have to do the work but it might get you more out of your workout.

But if you're not eating and sleeping right, you're wasting your money buying it.

Dtp1979

abstrakt82 wrote: »

well i think its scientifically proven to make you stronger, so in that case its not really an artificial build up of muscles.

don't know why you should stop taking whey either, as its just a byproduct of cheese. Ok I am not a doctor, but i'd like to hear his reasons for saying you shouldn't take it, as I'm pretty sure he's not a nutritionist.

TBH i've found doctors in this country weird in general when it comes to the subject of lifting weights, I remember my mother trying to discourage me my whole life from working out because the doctor told her it wasn't good for me, would stunt my growth, and all the other nonsense you generally hear.

Now, at 32 years old, compared to a hell of a lot of my peers, I am in much better shape and a lot healthier than them, so am glad i didn't listen to my mother or her doctor

I did blood tests and my CK levels were through the roof. The doc said it was the whey so I cut it out and re tested 2 weeks later. My bloods were fine then. He said he can't see my reason why people take it

generic2012

endacl wrote: »

Steak.

What about it?

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I did blood tests and my CK levels were through the roof. The doc said it was the whey so I cut it out and re tested 2 weeks later. My bloods were fine then. He said he can't see my reason why people take it

The initial test doesn't distinguish between cardiac muscle or skeletal muscle so it's highly possible the elevated CK levels were down to a high protein diet.

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The initial test doesn't distinguish between cardiac muscle or skeletal muscle so it's highly possible the elevated CK levels were down to a high protein diet.

The only thing I changed was the whey. After that I'm not sure

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

The only thing I changed was the whey. After that I'm not sure

High protein can elevate them without it being a health issue.

It's where it's due to cardiac muscle it's a problem.

abstrakt82

my doc found traces or blood and protein in my urine before and ordered me to have all my bloods taken.

when the results came back and everything was fine, especially my cholesterol, he almost sounded annoyed, seriously.

he had told me my cholesterol was gonna be through the roof due to eating so many eggs, and using creatine.

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

High protein can elevate them without it being a health issue.

It's where it's due to cardiac muscle it's a problem.

So you reckon it'd be ok for me to go back on whey?

abstrakt82

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So you reckon it'd be ok for me to go back on whey?

whats your protein intake like without the whey? about how many grams are you getting, and whats your bodyweight?

endacl

abstrakt82 wrote: »

i think the science is that it draws water into the muscle at a cellular level, so it doesn't cause bloating

bodybuilding .com/fun/dimaggio2.htm

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Water in any organ or tissue is 'drawn in at a cellular level'. Whatever the science is, that ain't it.

abstrakt82

endacl wrote: »

Water in any organ or tissue is 'drawn in at a cellular level'. Whatever the science is, that ain't it.

lol ok, read the link

abstrakt82

the only point i was trying to make is that it doesn't cause water bloating like a lot of people claim, so sorry if i sounded stupid with my science claim

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So you reckon it'd be ok for me to go back on whey?

The whey might not be altogether necessary but if it was crucial, I'd be asking the GP for a further test to identify the source of the elevated CK levels. It is a marker for cardiac issues but it isn't always and may be innocuous.

But that's something no one car determine without tests.

But you can get enough protein without whey.

Dtp1979

abstrakt82 wrote: »

whats your protein intake like without the whey? about how many grams are you getting, and whats your bodyweight?

No idea to be honest. I'm trying to take in as much as I can naturally. Doc also says only 1 egg a day but I live eggs and I'd eat 5-6 a day if I could.

generic2012

Dtp1979 wrote:

No idea to be honest. I'm trying to take in as much as I can naturally. Doc also says only 1 egg a day but I live eggs and I'd eat 5-6 a day if I could.

Naturally? is that like as much as u can eat without robots feeding u in your sleep?

Dtp1979

generic2012 wrote: »

Naturally? is that like as much as u can eat without robots feeding u in your sleep?

Sorry. When I say naturally I mean non powder form. I'm trying to eat chicken, steak, fish, eggs, eggs, cashew nuts etc.

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Doc also says only 1 egg a day but I live eggs and I'd eat 5-6 a day if I could.

Ah jaysus.

Do you drive to appointments in a DeLorean?

generic2012

Dtp1979 wrote:

Sorry. When I say naturally I mean non powder form. I'm trying to eat chicken, steak, fish, eggs, eggs, cashew nuts etc.

whey is more 'natural' for n irish man than cashew nuts. eating whey protein powder is one of the easiest things, if not the easiest thing anyone can do to make their diet healthier. look up the 'naturalistic fallacy', it gets thrown around these threads a lot. also look up the definition of 'processed food' too.

Dtp1979

generic2012 wrote: »

whey is more 'natural' for n irish man than cashew nuts. eating whey protein powder is one of the easiest things, if not the easiest thing anyone can do to make their diet healthier. look up the 'naturalistic fallacy', it gets thrown around these threads a lot. also look up the definition of 'processed food' too.

Is whey powder not processed? Please forgive my ignorance I'm not trying to put down whey at all

Dtp1979

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ah jaysus.

Do you drive to appointments in a DeLorean?

Not any more as it broke down on the motorway when it hit 87 mph

abstrakt82

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ah jaysus.

Do you drive to appointments in a DeLorean?

haha exactly this, my doc gave out to me about the amount of eggs too. research has shown that the cholesterol in eggs has no bearing on the cholesterol in the body though

Dtp1979

abstrakt82 wrote: »

haha exactly this, my doc gave out to me about the amount of eggs too. research has shown that the cholesterol in eggs has no bearing on the cholesterol in the body though

That's what I thought but I didn't think I had the intellect to question him!

Alf Veedersane

Dtp1979 wrote: »

That's what I thought but I didn't think I had the intellect to question him!

You expect a doctor to know better.

It's just an outmoded way of thinking. Long since proved to be fallacious.

generic2012

Dtp1979 wrote:

Is whey powder not processed? Please forgive my ignorance I'm not trying to put down whey at all

'Processed' doesn't mean anything. it's just a word thrown around when someone needs to convey a certain narrative that they can't convey using facts/specifics. washing, seperation, packaging, sterilisation etc. are all types of processing. it's an empty word. so what is the specific type/types of processing ur trying to avoid?

Dtp1979

generic2012 wrote: »

'Processed' doesn't mean anything. it's just a word thrown around when someone needs to convey a certain narrative that they can't convey using facts/specifics. washing, seperation, packaging, sterilisation etc. are all types of processing. it's an empty word. so what is the specific type/types of processing ur trying to avoid?

Well by processed I mean manufactured. Whey Powder is manufactured along with a load of ingredients I can't even pronounce. Chicken, fish nuts etc aren't I suppose

generic2012

Dtp1979 wrote:

Well by processed I mean manufactured. Whey Powder is manufactured along with a load of ingredients I can't even pronounce. Chicken, fish nuts etc aren't I suppose

maybe some types of whey are. but that doesn't mean they all are. that's saying all chicken is high in fat because of KFC. get unflavoured whey protein concentrate. it only has one ingredient. same holds true with whey as all foods, the shiny packages look nice but are generally a sign of bad food.

Dtp1979

generic2012 wrote: »

maybe some types of whey are. but that doesn't mean they all are. that's saying all chicken is high in fat because of KFC. get unflavoured whey protein concentrate. it only has one ingredient. same holds true with whey as all foods, the shiny packages look nice but are generally a sign of bad food.

So where do I get some of that whey and what's it called?

generic2012

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So where do I get some of that whey and what's it called?

I get it from myprotein.ie unflavoured impact whey. There's prolly other sites too. Don't just take my word on whey, look up some of its benefits and see if u think it would suit u

Dtp1979

generic2012 wrote: »

I get it from myprotein.ie unflavoured impact whey. There's prolly other sites too. Don't just take my word on whey, look up some of its benefits and see if u think it would suit u

Will do thanks for that.
And sorry op for hijacking your thread

Mellor

If the flavourings used in whey are the worst part of your diet then you are a phenomenal job.
But chances are it isn't and it's the best issue to focus on.

Dtp1979

Mellor wrote: »

If the flavourings used in whey are the worst part of your diet then you are a phenomenal job.
But chances are it isn't and it's the best issue to focus on.

Not flavours. For instance, what's lactoperoxidase?

Alf Veedersane

It's an enzyme.